Awrah of slave woman

[Rahimkhan9432]

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Ok but why would the prophet pbuh say that after the marriage of a male slave when even before that the awrah is still the same? Is this a mistranslation perhaps? And i dont think the mascuoine pronoun pertains to the first one because it says slave girl

[Rahimkhan9432]

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So what is the real translation then?

[abdulsidd]

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Al-Bayhaqi has narrated through Hamad Ibn Salama from Thamana Ibn Abdullah Ibn Anas from his grandfather Anas who said: "The slave-girls of Umar were serving us with uncovered hair and their breasts were shaking/wobbling ( تضطرب)."

فإن ما تحت السرة إلى الركبة من العورة
“So verily, what is between the navel to the knees is of the ‘awrah.”

And also the Prophet said that when someone marries off his slave or laborer he is not to look at what is between the navel and knees for:

فإنما بين سرته وركبته من عورته
“For what is between the navel and knees is from the ‘awrah.”

Takhrīj: Reported by Ad-Dāraqutnī in his Sunan 1/132 and Al-Bayhaqī in his Kubrā 2/229.

How did you understand from the bold that their upper body was not covered? If a woman is wearing a shirt but not wearing hijab and undergarments, then you can see her breasts shaking while she moves. It doesn't mean that her breasts are uncovered and out in the open.

Regarding the quotes about the awrah between navel and knees, the second one is clearly with regards to male slaves due to the use of the Arabic masculine pronoun, and I would assume the first one is too.

[Rahimkhan9432]

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Oh ya im sorry about that. Its just that i had more to say and the thread was closed.

[Rahimkhan9432]

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So what is the real authenticity of the hadiths i mentioned above? And are they not true?

[aynina]

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(Rh) was a great Imam and muhaddith.

I have only read 2 hadith of him which were daif

[mazuiz]

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Who is al bayhaqi even,

(Rh) was a great Imam and muhaddith.

[Tayoofa]

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We have already answered your question in your previous thread

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...of-slave-woman

[aynina]

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Who is al bayhaqi even,

[Linkdeutscher]

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That translation of that narration from Umar :RA: is false.

[Rahimkhan9432]

[Tayoofa]

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jazakallah khair xx

Wa iyyaki ukhti :)

[Smkt]

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Because they were in need all the time and it's difficult for them to work while they were wearing the full hijab that's why Allah SWT has permitted that slave women to wear less hijab in case there is no fitnah but if there is a fitnah and they are beautiful for example they have to wear full hijab ...

Oh ok so it was optional. Not forbidden. I get it now. Thanks

[Tayoofa]

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Can I ask why were slave women different from free women? Why should they cover less?

Because they were in need all the time and it's difficult for them to work while they were wearing the full hijab that's why Allah SWT has permitted that slave women to wear less hijab in case there is no fitnah but if there is a fitnah and they are beautiful for example they have to wear full hijab ...

[Saif-Uddin]

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Can I ask why were slave women different from free women? Why should they cover less?

This is the case if there is no fear of fitnah from them; but if there is fitnah, then they have to do whatever will prevent that fitnah."