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  • #16
    Re: Awrat of slave woman

    Who is al bayhaqi even,
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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    • #17
      Re: Awrat of slave woman

      We have already answered your question in your previous thread

      http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...of-slave-woman
      Ibn Al Qayyim may Allah have mercy on him said: ("
      )

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      • #18
        Re: Awrat of slave woman

        Originally posted by aynina View Post
        Who is al bayhaqi even,
        (Rh) was a great Imam and muhaddith.

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        • #19
          Re: Awrat of slave woman

          Originally posted by mazuiz View Post
          (Rh) was a great Imam and muhaddith.
          I have only read 2 hadith of him which were daif
          يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

          O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

          Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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          • #20
            Re: Awrat of slave woman

            So what is the real authenticity of the hadiths i mentioned above? And are they not true?

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            • #21
              Re: Awrat of slave woman

              Oh ya im sorry about that. Its just that i had more to say and the thread was closed.

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              • #22
                Re: Awrat of slave woman

                Originally posted by Rahimkhan9432 View Post

                Al-Bayhaqi has narrated through Hamad Ibn Salama from Thamana Ibn Abdullah Ibn Anas from his grandfather Anas who said: "The slave-girls of Umar were serving us with uncovered hair and their breasts were shaking/wobbling ( تضطرب)."

                فإن ما تحت السرة إلى الركبة من العورة
                “So verily, what is between the navel to the knees is of the ‘awrah.”

                And also the Prophet said that when someone marries off his slave or laborer he is not to look at what is between the navel and knees for:

                فإنما بين سرته وركبته من عورته
                “For what is between the navel and knees is from the ‘awrah.”

                Takhrīj: Reported by Ad-Dāraqutnī in his Sunan 1/132 and Al-Bayhaqī in his Kubrā 2/229.
                How did you understand from the bold that their upper body was not covered? If a woman is wearing a shirt but not wearing hijab and undergarments, then you can see her breasts shaking while she moves. It doesn't mean that her breasts are uncovered and out in the open.

                Regarding the quotes about the awrah between navel and knees, the second one is clearly with regards to male slaves due to the use of the Arabic masculine pronoun, and I would assume the first one is too.

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                • #23
                  Re: Awrat of slave woman

                  So what is the real translation then?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Awrat of slave woman

                    Ok but why would the prophet pbuh say that after the marriage of a male slave when even before that the awrah is still the same? Is this a mistranslation perhaps? And i dont think the mascuoine pronoun pertains to the first one because it says slave girl

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