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  • I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

    I came across this story yesterday on Twitter.....

    http://hadithoftheday.com/loving-the-prophet/

    I was curious for a reference. My Google search points towards Musnad

  • #2
    Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

    Assalamu alaikum brother,

    I've always wondered how to utilize this immense work of the great Imam Rahimullah. Because I've heard he collected every single hadith he could find so it could be the best reference however he also said some of them were not very reliable.

    Originally posted by Ummati09 View Post
    I came across this story yesterday on Twitter.....

    http://hadithoftheday.com/loving-the-prophet/

    I was curious for a reference. My Google search points towards Musnad

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    • #3
      Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

      Anyone?

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      • #4
        Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

        [MENTION=40692]ZeeshanParvez[/MENTION] [MENTION=3349]AbuNajm[/MENTION]
        You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

        You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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        • #5
          Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

          It seems as if the author of that piece has written the gist of hadith found on the subject in different sources.

          The part about the fighting is present here in Sahih Muslim.

          Here is the one in Musnad Ahmad Hadith No. 19784

          حدثنا عفان، حدثنا حماد بن سلمة، عن ثابت، عن كنانة بن نعيم العدوي، عن أبي برزة الأسلمي، أن جليبيبا كان امرأ يدخل على النساء، يمر بهن ويلاعبهن فقلت لامرأتي: لا يدخلن عليكم جليبيب؛ فإنه إن دخل عليكم، لأفعلن ولأفعلن. قال: وكانت الأنصار إذا كان لأحدهم أيم لم يزوجها حتى يعلم هل للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فيها حاجة؟ أم لا. فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لرجل من الأنصار: " زوجني ابنتك ". فقال: نعم وكرامة يا رسول الله ونعم عيني. قال: " إني لست أريدها لنفسي ". قال: فلمن يا رسول الله؟ قال: " لجليبيب ".: قال: فقال: يا رسول الله، أشاور أمها فأتى أمها فقال: رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يخطب ابنتك. فقالت: نعم. ونعمة عيني. فقال: إنه ليس يخطبها لنفسه إنما يخطبها لجليبيب. فقالت: أجليبيب إنية؟ أجليبيب إنية؟ أجليبيب إنية؟ لا. لعمر الله لا نزوجه. فلما أراد أن يقوم ليأتي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فيخبره بما قالت أمها: قالت الجارية: من خطبني إليكم؟ فأخبرتها أمها فقالت: أتردون على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أمره؟ ادفعوني؛ فإنه لم يضيعني. فانطلق أبوها إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأخبره فقال: شأنك بها فزوجها جليبيبا قال: فخرج رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في غزوة له. قال: فلما أفاء الله عليه قال لأصحابه: " هل تفقدون من أحد؟ " قالوا: نفقد فلانا ونفقد فلانا. قال: " انظروا هل تفقدون من أحد؟ " قالوا: لا. قال: " لكني أفقد جليبيبا ". قال: " فاطلبوه في القتلى ". قال: فطلبوه فوجدوه إلى جنب سبعة قد قتلهم، ثم قتلوه. فقالوا: يا رسول الله ها هو ذا إلى جنب سبعة قد قتلهم، ثم قتلوه، فأتاه النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقام عليه فقال: " قتل سبعة وقتلوه هذا مني وأنا منه. هذا مني وأنا منه " مرتين أو ثلاثا، ثم وضعه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم على ساعديه وحفر له ما له سرير إلا ساعدا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثم وضعه في قبره، ولم يذكر أنه غسله. قال ثابت: فما كان في الأنصار أيم أنفق منها. وحدث إسحاق بن عبد الله بن أبي طلحة ثابتا قال: هل تعلم ما دعا لها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم؟ قال: " اللهم صب عليها الخير صبا، ولا تجعل عيشها كدا كدا ". قال فما كان في الأنصار أيم أنفق منها. (1) قال أبو عبد الرحمن: ما حدث به في الدنيا أحد إلا حماد بن سلمة ما أحسنه من حديث



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          • #6
            Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

            I would never take Hadith from such a site as "Hadith of the Day".

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day

            Some of these things are not mentioned in the main books about the Companions. Julaybeeb was not handsome and was not from a noble lineage. Also, some of the narrations mention that he used to sit with the women and one of the Companions, Abu Barzah RA, told his wife not to sit with him. This seems to be because Julaybeeb is described as very charming and very funny. More than likely this had something to do with Abu Barzah not wanting his wife to sit with Julaybeeb, not because of "disabilities".


            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            He survived as best he could, many a lonely night in Madinah he spent wondering the streets in despair, tears of desperation would run down his cheeks, there was no one willing to offer him love or compassion, he had no family and not a single friend in the world.

            Life for him was a lonely struggle.
            This is not found in any books about the Companions or Seerah. It appears to be an embellishment.

            This conversation does not appear to have ever taken place. It is not reported in any of the books of Hadith, Seerah or History.


            This Companion from the Ansar is never named so it cannot be known if he was "prominent and noble".


            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            The Sahabee was overjoyed
            An embellishment in the story.

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            The Sahabee was left stunnedbewildermentcrying and wailing:
            All embellishments.

            This was never said.


            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            Upon hearing the commotion, the daughter arrived. It is said that she was so beautiful that there was none among the women of the Ansar who could compete with her beauty. She was so shy and modest that perhaps the sky itself had never seen her head uncovered. She had so much Taqwa that she would spend her days & nights in worship.
            None of the reports or versions of the story of Julaybeeb mention this at all.


            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            crying and wailing
            More embellishment.

            Actually most of the reports mention that the daughter overhead the parents talking to the Prophet SAWS. So she did not have to ask what was happening.

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            the angels themselves envy the dust on the feet of one who is a beloved of ALLAH and His Prophet ﷺ.
            Exaggeration.


            Never said.


            Never said.

            No reference for this.

            No reference for this. Also, this does not appear to be consistent with the rules of Jihad.

            No reference for this in any book of history or Seerah.


            No reference for this.

            No reference.

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            After that battle the Prophet of ALLAH ﷺ, asked the Sahabah to go and to see if anyone was missing from their families and clans.

            Each one returned accounting for all his family members.
            This is part of a narration regarding Julaybeeb mixed in with more falsehood and exaggeration.

            Not part of any Hadith.

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            They found his diminutive body lying next to 7 of the enemies he had slain in the battle.
            Exaggeration.


            One of the few parts of this entire story as related by "Hadith of the Day" that is true.

            No reference.

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            Thus, a Sahabee who had once lived as an outcast, shunned by the society around him.
            He loved ALLAH and His Messenger ﷺ and reached such a high status.
            He who was not good-looking was blessed with a beautiful wife.
            He who was poor was blessed by a wealthy wife.
            He who had no family or status, was blessed by a wife with noble status & lineage.
            He who had lived in loneliness and despair, was loved by ALLAH and His Messenger ﷺ.
            Only the underlined is possibly true.

            No reference.


            No reference.

            Originally posted by Hadith of the Day
            As for his wife, it is said that there was no widow whose hand was more sought after in marriage than hers.
            [Saheeh Muslim Book 031, Hadeeth Number 6045]
            Only this last part was mentioned in Saheeh Muslim.

            What a scam of a website. No person who respects Hadith would ever refer to this website for any information regarding Hadith.
            Last edited by AbuNajm; 03-10-17, 03:33 PM. Reason: formatting corrections

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            • #7
              Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

              I cant remembwr where I read this but it said that if there is a jihad that isnt fard al ain then a man who is newly married and wanting to consumate the marriage or a person who has livestock eg camel who will give birth soon should stay and not go to the ghazwa

              Could you comment on this and if its true or not
              I have no clue about the authenticity as I cant remember where I read it
              JazakAllah khair
              [MENTION=3349]AbuNajm[/MENTION]

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              • #8
                Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
                I cant remembwr where I read this but it said that if there is a jihad that isnt fard al ain then a man who is newly married and wanting to consumate the marriage or a person who has livestock eg camel who will give birth soon should stay and not go to the ghazwa

                Could you comment on this and if its true or not
                I have no clue about the authenticity as I cant remember where I read it
                JazakAllah khair
                @AbuNajm
                The terminology "so-and-so should stay and not go" carries the connotation of a "recommendation" in legal terms.

                When Jihad is a communal obligation, it is still the most meritorious act of worship that a person can do. So the voluntary Jihad would take precedence over conjugation or overseeing the birth of livestock. In fact, I've never heard of specific merits attributed to conjugation or overseeing the birth of livestock.

                The only deterrents for a person to engage in communally obligated Jihad is lack of permission from a creditor, parents or a master in the case of a slave.

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                • #9
                  Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                  Jazaakallah for the detailed responses and the references, brothers. Much appreciated and very helpful in every way!

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                  • #10
                    Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                    Originally posted by AbuNajm View Post
                    The terminology "so-and-so should stay and not go" carries the connotation of a "recommendation" in legal terms.

                    When Jihad is a communal obligation, it is still the most meritorious act of worship that a person can do. So the voluntary Jihad would take precedence over conjugation or overseeing the birth of livestock. In fact, I've never heard of specific merits attributed to conjugation or overseeing the birth of livestock.

                    The only deterrents for a person to engage in communally obligated Jihad is lack of permission from a creditor, parents or a master in the case of a slave.
                    JazakAllah khair

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                    • #11
                      Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                      Originally posted by AbuNajm View Post
                      I would never take Hadith from such a site as "Hadith of the Day".



                      Some of these things are not mentioned in the main books about the Companions. Julaybeeb was not handsome and was not from a noble lineage. Also, some of the narrations mention that he used to sit with the women and one of the Companions, Abu Barzah RA, told his wife not to sit with him. This seems to be because Julaybeeb is described as very charming and very funny. More than likely this had something to do with Abu Barzah not wanting his wife to sit with Julaybeeb, not because of "disabilities".




                      This is not found in any books about the Companions or Seerah. It appears to be an embellishment.



                      This conversation does not appear to have ever taken place. It is not reported in any of the books of Hadith, Seerah or History.




                      This Companion from the Ansar is never named so it cannot be known if he was "prominent and noble".




                      An embellishment in the story.



                      All embellishments.



                      This was never said.




                      None of the reports or versions of the story of Julaybeeb mention this at all.




                      More embellishment.

                      Actually most of the reports mention that the daughter overhead the parents talking to the Prophet SAWS. So she did not have to ask what was happening.



                      Exaggeration.




                      Never said.




                      Never said.



                      No reference for this.



                      No reference for this. Also, this does not appear to be consistent with the rules of Jihad.



                      No reference for this in any book of history or Seerah.




                      No reference for this.



                      No reference.



                      This is part of a narration regarding Julaybeeb mixed in with more falsehood and exaggeration.



                      Not part of any Hadith.



                      Exaggeration.




                      One of the few parts of this entire story as related by "Hadith of the Day" that is true.



                      No reference.



                      Only the underlined is possibly true.



                      No reference.




                      No reference.



                      Only this last part was mentioned in Saheeh Muslim.

                      What a scam of a website. No person who respects Hadith would ever refer to this website for any information regarding Hadith.

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                      • #12
                        Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                        I highlighted in red the parts of the story that were embellished by the authors at Hadith of the Day.

                        I also mentioned the parts that were never reported in any Hadith or Athar.

                        So most of the details of the story as written by Hadith of the Day are unfounded.

                        As for the arc of the story, then that is well-known by authentic Hadith- Julaybeeb may have been short and not handsome, but I have found no reference to any "deformity". The Prophet SAWS did speak on behalf of Julaybeeb with a family from the Ansar and marry him off. The young woman submitted to the wishes of the Prophet SAWS as did the parents, who initially expressed some reluctance.

                        Julaybeeb then went to fight Jihad, although the details of that Jihad are not known nor the timing after the marriage. The Prophet SAWS did ask for Julaybeeb after the fighting and he was reported to have died with 7 polytheists dead around him. He was not washed, as is fitting for the martyr, and the Prophet SAWS mentioned what he mentioned about Julaybeeb RA.

                        The widow of Julaybeeb was sought after due to the way she dealt with the marriage of Julaybeeb and obedience to the Prophet SAWS.

                        It is wrong to just add details to stories about the Companions RA, regardless of whether that is for dramatic effect or otherwise. Some of the added details are offensive, such as claiming that Julaybeeb was "deformed" in any way, and other details give a bad impression of Companions RA like the parents allegedly swearing they would never marry their daughter to Julaybeeb, even after the Prophet SAWS spoke on his behalf.

                        Embellishing stories can lead to offensive statements and negative impressions that are unnecessary and unfortunately they have long-lasting effects as they're more likely to be remembered and passed on than the authentic aspects of the story. And when these stories are about noble Companions RA, it is even more of a sin to make up things that are untrue and offensive to their posterity.

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                        • #13
                          Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                          Originally posted by AbuNajm View Post
                          The Prophet SAWS did speak on behalf of Julaybeeb with a family from the Ansar and marry him off. The young woman submitted to the wishes of the Prophet SAWS as did the parents, who initially expressed some reluctance.

                          Julaybeeb then went to fight Jihad, although the details of that Jihad are not known nor the timing after the marriage. The Prophet SAWS did ask for Julaybeeb after the fighting and he was reported to have died with 7 polytheists dead around him. He was not washed, as is fitting for the martyr, and the Prophet SAWS mentioned what he mentioned about Julaybeeb RA.

                          The widow of Julaybeeb was sought after due to the way she dealt with the marriage of Julaybeeb and obedience to the Prophet SAWS.
                          And this bit, which is the only true bit from the whole story, in which book of Hadeeth is it mentioned?

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                          • #14
                            Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                            Originally posted by Ummati09 View Post
                            And this bit, which is the only true bit from the whole story, in which book of Hadeeth is it mentioned?
                            [MENTION=40692]ZeeshanParvez[/MENTION] already posted it.

                            Originally posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
                            It seems as if the author of that piece has written the gist of hadith found on the subject in different sources.

                            The part about the fighting is present here in Sahih Muslim.

                            Here is the one in Musnad Ahmad Hadith No. 19784

                            حدثنا عفان، حدثنا حماد بن سلمة، عن ثابت، عن كنانة بن نعيم العدوي، عن أبي برزة الأسلمي، أن جليبيبا كان امرأ يدخل على النساء، يمر بهن ويلاعبهن فقلت لامرأتي: لا يدخلن عليكم جليبيب؛ فإنه إن دخل عليكم، لأفعلن ولأفعلن. قال: وكانت الأنصار إذا كان لأحدهم أيم لم يزوجها حتى يعلم هل للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فيها حاجة؟ أم لا. فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لرجل من الأنصار: " زوجني ابنتك ". فقال: نعم وكرامة يا رسول الله ونعم عيني. قال: " إني لست أريدها لنفسي ". قال: فلمن يا رسول الله؟ قال: " لجليبيب ".: قال: فقال: يا رسول الله، أشاور أمها فأتى أمها فقال: رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يخطب ابنتك. فقالت: نعم. ونعمة عيني. فقال: إنه ليس يخطبها لنفسه إنما يخطبها لجليبيب. فقالت: أجليبيب إنية؟ أجليبيب إنية؟ أجليبيب إنية؟ لا. لعمر الله لا نزوجه. فلما أراد أن يقوم ليأتي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فيخبره بما قالت أمها: قالت الجارية: من خطبني إليكم؟ فأخبرتها أمها فقالت: أتردون على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أمره؟ ادفعوني؛ فإنه لم يضيعني. فانطلق أبوها إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأخبره فقال: شأنك بها فزوجها جليبيبا قال: فخرج رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في غزوة له. قال: فلما أفاء الله عليه قال لأصحابه: " هل تفقدون من أحد؟ " قالوا: نفقد فلانا ونفقد فلانا. قال: " انظروا هل تفقدون من أحد؟ " قالوا: لا. قال: " لكني أفقد جليبيبا ". قال: " فاطلبوه في القتلى ". قال: فطلبوه فوجدوه إلى جنب سبعة قد قتلهم، ثم قتلوه. فقالوا: يا رسول الله ها هو ذا إلى جنب سبعة قد قتلهم، ثم قتلوه، فأتاه النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقام عليه فقال: " قتل سبعة وقتلوه هذا مني وأنا منه. هذا مني وأنا منه " مرتين أو ثلاثا، ثم وضعه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم على ساعديه وحفر له ما له سرير إلا ساعدا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثم وضعه في قبره، ولم يذكر أنه غسله. قال ثابت: فما كان في الأنصار أيم أنفق منها. وحدث إسحاق بن عبد الله بن أبي طلحة ثابتا قال: هل تعلم ما دعا لها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم؟ قال: " اللهم صب عليها الخير صبا، ولا تجعل عيشها كدا كدا ". قال فما كان في الأنصار أيم أنفق منها. (1) قال أبو عبد الرحمن: ما حدث به في الدنيا أحد إلا حماد بن سلمة ما أحسنه من حديث



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                            • #15
                              Re: I need a reference from Musnad Ahmad of this Hadeeth

                              Originally posted by AbuNajm View Post
                              [MENTION=40692]ZeeshanParvez[/MENTION] already posted it.
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