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    #31
    Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

    Firstly nobody eats off of their clothes and the hadith you are referencing says nothing about dog saliva on clothes,actually no hadith I can find says anything about dog saliva on cloths.

    the hadith mentions vessels and we can infer from the information given that the intent is prevent the transmission of disease from dogs to humans specifically rabies. Before the advent of vaccines and a treatment for rabies being bitten by a rabid dog or any animal was a slow and gruesome guaranteed death such is the case in many parts of the world still which have low vaccination rates and poor health care systems,India comes to mind.

    (I would like to add that washing seven times and once with earth is also an effective prevention of parasitic worms and bacteria that may be in a dogs salivas so we should not abandon this sunnah even in the west where inoculation for rabies is universially mandatory)

    The sunnah of washing seven times and once with dry earth absolutely is a good and effective way to prevent rabies infection from a vessel licked by a rabid dog I have no doubts about that but the likelihood of a dog licking your clothes and you then licking your clothes is slim to none,no sane person is in the habit of licking their clothes.

    Being frightened of dog saliva is not a reasonable or logical condition. If Uncle were to tell that lady he was frightened of dog saliva she would think him crazy and then there is no real opportunity from dawah when your running from someone and they think your crazy. It would have portrayed Islam and muslim in a bad light to use that excuse.

    since your of the kind who like research look into the loads of research about the correlation between the relationship with animals and how that effects people relationship with each other specifically those that involve children. It's often been said that cruelty towards animals is a sign of psychopathy and an indicator of as serial killer.

    the opportunities for dawah evaporate when kuffar see muslims as ignorant,crazy and backwards and that is exactly how the kuffar see muslims when the act like that uncle did in public.

    There are lots of kuffar dog owners in my neighborhood and I try to friendly with them and their dogs as a good neighbor. The overwhelming majority of dog owners around me are conscientious about others and take the time to well socialize and train their dogs.
    I will take the opportunity to pet any friendly dog I encounter even if I am all dress up for Jumma in my thobe and kufi.

    owning and working with animals teaches good character as well that is why we are told that all of the anbiya were shepherds thats a fact from our religion you can't deny.

    furthermore My mother who is a kafirah now lives alone as me and my brother are grown so I insist that she owns a dog for here protection as she lives in rough neighborhood that has many new immigrants,some muslim,some not. As a general rule most third world immigrants are terrified of dogs so I sleep very well knowing she is safe as seeing her 150lbs dog laying on the lawn they literally cross the street to avoid her house and it brings my Mom immense peace of mind to have a dog around. She can go anywhere at any time and feel safe as that dog will literally fight to the death to protect her.

    Her old dog that I appointed as her guardian dog(Wali-dog) died so I went this summer to search out a new one and was succesful in finding a fine RottweilerXGreat Pyrenese puppy that is well bred and suited to the job.She paid for the dog not me just in case your wondering.

    Many of those same immigrants come from cultures where there is zero respect for women whether they are muslim,sikh,hindu etc. and will rape,rob and victimize a lone woman. My Mom has no issues whatsoever as they may try to take advantage of a lone,frail old woman but give a very wide birth to my Mom as everyone in that neighbor knows she owns a huge,fiercelyloyal and protective dog.

    Dog ownership is I believe a good answer to the many Muslimaat that have no wali and are fearful of going out due to harassment and possible attack. No man in his right mind(or drunk or high) will mess with a woman with a well trained dog. If he does the punishment of being ravage by a dog i will be quickly metted out.

    Being attacked by an predatory animal instills a fear that guns,knives and tasers don't. It's raw,primitive fear that does not discriminate towards culture and upbringing, Everyone,everywhere is afraid of an aggressive animals but only fearful,mal adjusted cowards are afraid of friendly,well disciplined animals.

    Dogs have the amazing ability to judge character and my Dad has a saying"If the dog doesn't like you, I don't like you" which I have notice holds true,dogs don't like dodgy,shady people as they can pick up on subtle body language and pheromones that humans can't

    Responsible dog (and animals in general) ownership bring many benefits to individuals and communities. Those benefits far outweigh any harms or drawbacks and our beloved Prophet sallahu alayhi wasalam recognized that fact hence we have an exception to owning dogs that provide benefit.

    I am totally and 100% against "pet" ownership as it serves no purpose and it is a drain on resources whether it be cats,dogs,gerbils,snakes or hamsters.
    Allah awj gave us dominion over animals for a purpose and reason. It's an amanah we should be willing and eager to uphold as muslims.

    How can anyone receive the ajr of being kind and merciful to animals when they are never around them or avoid them with fear? Never underestimate that ajr as this hadith illustrates

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "While a dog was going round a well and was about to die of thirst, an Israeli prostitute saw it and took off her shoe and watered it. So Allah forgave her because of that good deed."

    Not only was Allah awj willing to forgive someone who had incurred his wrath(a jew) but she was a prostitute as well!
    We all know that Jannah lies at a mothers feet and that Jannah lies at a husnabds feet but in this case it was found at the mouth of a dog.

    Reflect on this hadith for a bit next time you see a dog.

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      #32
      Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

      Originally posted by Samsandman View Post
      Firstly nobody eats off of their clothes and the hadith you are referencing says nothing about dog saliva on clothes,actually no hadith I can find says anything about dog saliva on cloths.

      the hadith mentions vessels and we can infer from the information given that the intent is prevent the transmission of disease from dogs to humans specifically rabies. Before the advent of vaccines and a treatment for rabies being bitten by a rabid dog or any animal was a slow and gruesome guaranteed death such is the case in many parts of the world still which have low vaccination rates and poor health care systems,India comes to mind.
      The scholars refrain from inserting hikmah into Qur'aanic Verses and the Sunnah unless they have evidence.

      What is your evidence that the reason you outline is why one was told to wash utensils licked by dogs.

      As a matter of fact your reasoning here seems very weak because we have not been ordered to wash utensils licked by cats.

      Cat scratch fever, also called cat scratch disease (CSD), is a bacterial infection. The disease gets its name because people contract it from cats infected with Bartonella henselae bacteria, one of the most common bacteria in the world

      If what you say was the case the same rule would hold for cats as well.

      Second, I think your knowledge on rabies is limited. Rabies can also be spread from an infected cat.
      Watch those eyes

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        #33
        Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

        Schholars also don't speak out against the tyrranical regimes that murder and oppress muslims but thats a separate issue.
        Scholars are not infallible and some of the ones I've encountered are shockingly ignorant of real world problems and issues.

        Cats can and do get rabies,quite often actually,but rabies infected cats tend to bug out,go feral till they die and tend not come around people after infection whereas dogs will stay around people and more often transmit rabies to humans and other animals through bites.
        India is a good case study of rabies in modern times and most of the infections are due to dogs even though cats are more common.
        see link
        http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/87/12/09-021209/en/

        you can see that they don't even bother with stray cats as the transmission rate is so low.

        Common sense and medical evidence of rabies and the transmission of rabies is the evidence.
        there are no vaccination campaigns anywhere that i know of that target bartonella as it's not a cause for concern,lots of people have bartonella and live happy,productive lives,not so with rabies.

        Bartonella is not fatal whereas rabies is fatal and nearly 100% so and it's a horrible death.

        Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
        Dawud ibn Salih ibn Dinar at-Tammar quoted his mother as saying that her mistress sent her with some pudding (harisah) to Aisha who was offering prayer. She made a sign to me to place it down. A cat came and ate some of it, but when Aisha finished her prayer, she ate from the place where the cat had eaten. She stated: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: It is not unclean: it is one of those who go round among you. She added: I saw the Messenger of Allah (sallahu alayhi wasalam) performing ablution from the water left over by the cat.

        Sunan Abi Dawud
        graded sahih

        in fairness there is a sahih hadith which indicates that a vessel a cat drinks from should be washed once but the weight of evidence indicates that this is not obligatory.

        wild cats and free roaming cats don't have the high prevelance of this bacteria,it's domesticated indoor cats cats who use litter boxes that are prone to this as they are in regular contact with their own feces.
        Letting cats roam free is also advised by hadith

        The Prophet (sallahu alayhi wasalam) said, "A woman entered the (Hell) Fire because of a cat which she had tied, neither giving it food nor setting it free to eat from the vermin of the earth. "

        Letting cats roam free as per hadith is preferable as it cuts down on the spread of this bacteria as they cats are not forced to walk in their own feces on a regular basis.

        The Prophet (sallahu alayhi wasalam) said, "A woman entered the (Hell) Fire because of a cat which she had tied, neither giving it food nor setting it free to eat from the vermin of the earth. "

        Knowing hadith is good but combined with real world knowledge of animals,people and their habits is much more useful.

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          #34
          Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

          Originally posted by Merch for Muslims View Post
          It is a normal phenomenon to raise dogs inside the house. Some peoples relation with their dog is so intimate that they kiss them. And even, sometimes the dog licks his/her owner.

          My question is - is touching, kissing and getting licked by Dog makes human Napak(impure)?
          No it’s not normal to have a dog inside your house and let slobber all over you. I own a dog myself because I love them and the companionship they bring. I let him in the house to sit in the main hallway by the front door for maybe 30minutes out of the entire day otherwise he stays in the backyard or in the garage where he has his own couch. Touching a dog does not invalidate your wudu but anything with their spit will. My family keeps the dog out of the house during salah times because our dog weighs 120lbs and will make you pet him.

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            #35
            Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

            Originally posted by R1rider View Post
            No it’s not normal to have a dog inside your house and let slobber all over you. I own a dog myself because I love them and the companionship they bring. I let him in the house to sit in the main hallway by the front door for maybe 30minutes out of the entire day otherwise he stays in the backyard or in the garage where he has his own couch. Touching a dog does not invalidate your wudu but anything with their spit will. My family keeps the dog out of the house during salah times because our dog weighs 120lbs and will make you pet him.
            In my country, it is a normal phenomenon. Though over 94% of the total population of my country is Muslim, most of them are non-practicing. Those non-practicing Muslims keeps dog inside their house and do stuffs with their dog which i mentioned earlier. May Allah guide us all
            Allah, Blessed is He and Most High, said: "O son of Adam! Were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky, then you sought forgiveness from Me, I would forgive you, and I would not mind."
            Jami'at Tirmidhi #3540

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              #36
              Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

              Originally posted by Samsandman View Post
              Firstly nobody eats off of their clothes and the hadith you are referencing says nothing about dog saliva on clothes,actually no hadith I can find says anything about dog saliva on cloths..
              Yes you are correct there's no hadiths AFAIK until now with dog saliva on cloths and there need not be one for it because Any Najis on cloths make it impure and praying with such dress will invalidate the salah as cleanliness of body, cloth or dress , place all come under the fard requirements of a valid Salah .

              Najis could be classified the major , intermediary, and the lesser ones and Dog's Saliva will in the top IMO and the size of any najis stained is another matter, which needs purification. like is it a coin size, or bigger etc etc

              All the scientific facts we talk about could be mostly correct but they keep changing or could change (fallible) like in the matter of Cholesterol etc etc which were believed for centuries and decades. So in the matter of such things we better stick to the Glorious Quran , hadith, Sahabas, tabieins and tabe tabieens and fiqh . as bro [MENTION=4265] [MENTION=40692]ZeeshanParvez[/MENTION] says

              But I have seen many bad news from dogs like eating away his own Master , owner and endangering even the one feeds him daily with my own eyes,.which were never seen in cats and I saw nice video when a cat chases away a dog which bites his owner's kid.
              Last edited by talibilm09; 27-09-17, 01:42 AM.
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                #37
                Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

                so you base your opinion on what in this matter? culture? as you admitted you don't use kitab and sunnah

                Who classifies dog saliva on cloths as najaasa? is this particular to certain madhab?

                Yes occasionally dogs do bite the hand that feeds them but I have yet to meet a bad dog and lots of bad dog owners. Some people take inspiration from the noble qualities of dogs and some people are just scumming no mater what,that's life.

                here is an interesting website to judge which is the more valuable animal to man. it's a hall of fame website from animal food company about animals that save lives,you can see that it is overwhelmingly dogs that do this,yes cats do save live occasionally but the cat has never been reffered to as man's best friend for a reason.

                https://www.purinahalloffame.ca/

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                  #38
                  Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

                  never mind,I figured it out,your a hanafi,that's explains a lot.

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                    #39
                    Re: Is touching, kissing and getting licked by dog makes human Napak(impure)?

                    Originally posted by Samsandman View Post
                    so you base your opinion on what in this matter? culture? as you admitted you don't use kitab and sunnah

                    Who classifies dog saliva on cloths as najaasa? is this particular to certain madhab?

                    Yes occasionally dogs do bite the hand that feeds them but I have yet to meet a bad dog and lots of bad dog owners. Some people take inspiration from the noble qualities of dogs and some people are just scumming no mater what,that's life.

                    here is an interesting website to judge which is the more valuable animal to man. it's a hall of fame website from animal food company about animals that save lives,you can see that it is overwhelmingly dogs that do this,yes cats do save live occasionally but the cat has never been reffered to as man's best friend for a reason.

                    https://www.purinahalloffame.ca/
                    lol, this is going into a territory of unneeded debate and you are lying here that i do not use Quran and sunnah

                    my quote above in post # 36

                    Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
                    . So in the matter of such things we better stick to the Glorious Quran , hadith, Sahabas, tabieins and tabe tabieens and fiqh
                    or are you look too ingnorant to understand my words of Quran and hadith also means (infers) sunnah as well which is the basic to be a Muslim. If , I hope its clear now to you. but for matters which we are not very clear cut you refer to next step.as i mentioned it in order . I am telling from the fiqh of hanafi i've been following from my teens and was in company of scholars to whom i had asked these questions even shafi .If you do understand what is clean and unclean. if you do not follow its upto you and beware you will get the sins of those you misguide

                    The Dog belongs to my very close relative who keeps for guarding his goods and rds his Mother who feeds it reported to me DIRECTLY '' that all of a sudden it came and bit me.'' .and showed her stitches on her upper hand
                    Last edited by talibilm09; 27-09-17, 07:07 AM.
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