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    #16
    Re: Muslim Confused about Islam

    Originally posted by Calender121438 View Post
    1) That is the problem, you are treating Islam like it is no different than any other thing. If you think Islam is the truth, then you shouldn't do that:

    "For that is Allah , your Lord, the Truth. And what can be beyond truth except error? So how are you averted?" (Surah 10:32).

    2) Islam is also a State. It is against spreading corruption, and what is a bigger corruption than fighting against Islam? There were many hypocrites in the time of the Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him), Islam punishes apostasy for publicizing it.

    In a secular State, it is okay to insult Allah and His Messengers, do you really think that an Islamic State would allow this?

    You really need to fix your criteria. Disbelievers merely follow their desires.
    Hi, was it not you that chose to use the example of countries?

    By using the example of " if you leave a country" to "if you leave islam"
    Last edited by Zass; 18-09-17, 12:22 PM.

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      #17
      Re: Muslim Confused about Islam

      Originally posted by Zass View Post
      Hi, was it not you that chose to use the example of countries?

      By using the example of " if you leave a country" to "if you leave islam"
      No, it was not me.

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        #18
        Re: Muslim Confused about Islam

        Originally posted by rustamkhan View Post
        What is treason???? huh. If a pakistani decides to leave pakistan and get settled in UK is that treason to you.

        and talk about laws, yeah if you live in any country you have to follow the laws. but every sane country allows you speak against laws/ policies of the land and not kill you for it.
        and if you dont like the laws of the country you always have the option to migirate to a another country. no country would kill you for leaving it right.

        and if leaving islam is treason against allah, then leaving chiristainity is treason against jesus and leaving hinduism is treason against krishna/ram.
        An Apostate can leave a Muslim country and that's more welcomed and that's not treated as treason (unless he betrays and causes harm to those muslims ) so that he will not be chased or followed to that country where he takes asylum or he can live there as a hypocrite (may be Allah may give him eemaan later ) which is also allowed iow not exposing his Apostasy
        Last edited by talibilm09; 21-09-17, 03:29 PM.
        My sect - No Sect

        My Aqeedah - http://legacy.quran.com/112 ( The Aqeedah of Sahabas)

        Just a Muslim

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          #19
          Re: Muslim Confused about Islam

          Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
          An Apostate can leave a Muslim country and that's more welcomed and that's not treated as treason (unless he betrays and causes harm to those muslims ) so that he will not be chased or followed to that country where he takes asylum or he can live there as a hypocrite (may be Allah may give him eemaan later ) which is also allowed iow not exposing his Apostasy
          Why should he leave his country???

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            #20
            Re: Muslim Confused about Islam

            Originally posted by rustamkhan View Post
            Why should he leave his country???
            I answered your claim that his leaving his country is not a treason.
            My sect - No Sect

            My Aqeedah - http://legacy.quran.com/112 ( The Aqeedah of Sahabas)

            Just a Muslim

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              #21
              Re: Muslim Confused about Islam

              Originally posted by rustamkhan View Post
              It's true that when you become citizen of a nation, you have to follow its rules but no nation/country forces you to remain in that country. for example many people from Asian countries migrate to European countries. it does not mean that Asian countries should start killing them. secondly majority of Muslims in world were born as Muslims so they entered Islam by birth. so if someone decides after growing up that they dont want to follow Islam or follow any other religion then why should they be punished for it when they did not accept Islam themselves rather they were born as Muslims.
              Lastly if we support punishing people who leave Islam because they have committed "Treason". then the same theory can be used by non muslim countries against people who accept islam in their countries. There are thousands of converts to islam in europe and america, what if these countries started punishing these individuals because they were born as Christians and committed "Treason" by becoming Muslims.
              I am going to conclude by saying that if we genuinely believe that islam is the true religion then why should we feel threatened if a bunch of people decide to leave islam.
              Your correct that someone born into a muslim family has not technically accepted islam so there is no issue of apostasy. Regarding someone who was not muslim, then accepted islam, then later decided they did not want to be muslim, It is upto the muslim ruler to decide what action, if any at all, is necessary depending on the situation and how it will impact on the wider community as a whole. When islam was in its infancy, some jews of medina, whose opinions were highly regarded by the arabs, concocted a plan to initially accept islam then reject it shortly after in an attempt to sow doubts in the hearts of the muslims, In this context it was decided that such antics would be punishable by death to put an end to their game.
              Spears shall be shaken! Shields shall be splintered! a sword day..a red day..ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride to ruin, and the world’s ending!

              None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”

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