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  • #16
    Re: Is praying pointless?

    Originally posted by Abu Jarir View Post
    By making Dua you ask Allah to hasten the promise, you forgot to mention Allah is the most Merciful turning to Allah not only increases or insures your desires are achieved but increases your benefit on the Day of Judgment and the hereafter, and at times Allah will not answer your Dua and it will not happen no matter what because Allah does not desire it, praying to Allah isn't for his benefit it's for your own.
    What does "hasten the promise" mean? Do you believe there is predestination and Dua can change it or hasten the events in the predestination?

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    • #17
      Re: Is praying pointless?

      Originally posted by muzzybee View Post
      Basically this ,I think the dua we ask itself is part of the qadr ,so Allah swt knows we will ask this dua.
      See we dont know how it will be thats why we have choice ,and we rely on our creator.
      If everything, including dua is part of the qadr then that's what I said in OP, everything is predestined.

      Can our choice to ask something in dua/prayer change what is predestined or al-qadr?

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      • #18
        Re: Is praying pointless?

        Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
        What does "hasten the promise" mean? Do you believe there is predestination and Dua can change it or hasten the events in the predestination?
        Yes

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        • #19
          Re: Is praying pointless?

          Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
          If everything, including dua is part of the qadr then that's what I said in OP, everything is predestined.

          Can our choice to ask something in dua/prayer change what is predestined or al-qadr?
          Everything is predestined by Allaah. Our prayers and decisions are made by free will, What will you choose?
          It is predestined by Allaah but what will you choose?

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          • #20
            Re: Is praying pointless?

            Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
            Is praying pointless?
            Prayer is a gift from Allaah. To unlock its secrets and barakah one has to pray.


            The God is omniscient and knows everything that is going to happen in the future and the outcome of every situation is know to him.
            He has already planned the future (al-qadr) and he is the best of the planners and nothing happens against his plan and will.

            Now if I ask God for something...

            If that thing is part of his plan, it will happen regardless of my praying.
            If that outcome is not part of his plan, it will simply not happen.

            If he changes his plan after my prayer, the first outcome was never going to happen and was never part of his plan because he always knew his plan and the final outcome?
            This is correct afaik/according to me

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            • #21
              Re: Is praying pointless?

              Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
              If everything, including dua is part of the qadr then that's what I said in OP, everything is predestined.

              Can our choice to ask something in dua/prayer change what is predestined or al-qadr?
              why does it matter when Allah already knows what you'll ask for? All you're trying to say is "can I ask for something that Allah didn't know that I will wish for?"... and the answer is no, cuz again Allah knows what you'll ask for!

              Your question reminds me of non-deterministic machines... we program the behaviour (we determine the set of possible transitions) and we let it roll, what transition you take in that machine is your choice, you can choose the kafir transition, or the Muslim transition... just cuz Allah knows what you'll choose, doesn't mean Allah forced it on you... you had the choice.

              few days ago, I had an argument with a colleague and before I confronted her, I knew precisely how she'll react and what she'll say... I knew it cuz I know her well enough by now... and she did and said precisely what I anticipated. Did I choose for her how to react and what to say? I knew it yes cuz I know how she thinks, but I've let her decide how to react! If you ask any parent how their kids will react to something, most of them will know...
              How can one imagine that Allah who created us from scratch wouldn't know how we'll react to things, when we are (in our most ignorant and weakest form) able to do that in many situations. I can't understand why non-Muslims struggle with this.
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              • #22
                Re: Is praying pointless?

                Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
                These Atheist Nutjobs tend to be masters in futile self refuting arguments,

                I heard some here at work,

                I wonder why they have a brain in the first place, if this is what they are doing with it,

                :jkk:
                Maybe "evolution" left them behind.....

                On a more serious note, kaafirs generally have a problem with Allaah knowing everything that will happen.

                Simple question: You know you are going to die. Its written in stone. Does that make you doubt life or prevent you from doing what you do?

                Allaah knows everything so why does that prevent you from Him?

                Simple. You want a life where you can live according to your whims. Your whims are your god.
                Watch those eyes

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                • #23
                  Re: Is praying pointless?

                  Originally posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
                  Maybe "evolution" left them behind.....

                  On a more serious note, kaafirs generally have a problem with Allaah knowing everything that will happen.

                  Simple question: You know you are going to die. Its written in stone. Does that make you doubt life or prevent you from doing what you do?

                  Allaah knows everything so why does that prevent you from Him?

                  Simple. You want a life where you can live according to your whims. Your whims are your god.
                  True akhi,

                  they pretend to be logical, but instead they are amongst the most Illogical, worshippers of their desires,

                  Surah Al-Jathiya Ayah 23
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                  Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilah (god), and Allah knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allah? Will you not then remember?


                  :jkk:
                  http://www.ilovepalestine.com/campai...imesinGaza.gif

                  "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

                  – Imam al-Shafi’i (Rahimahullah)

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                  • #24
                    Re: Is praying pointless?

                    The way I see it.

                    Allah has decreed everything. You have a free will. You making Dua and asking Allah for something and Him granting you this is PART of Qadr.

                    So if you neglect the prayers, Allah will punish you. You have a free will to repend and do righteous deeds.

                    Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                    The Love Allah has for Prophet Muhammad ﷺ

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acm3R7MbO_Q

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                    • #25
                      Re: Is praying pointless?

                      OP is of the 'LOL CAN GOD CREATE A ROCK THAT IS TOO HEAVY FOR HIM TO LIFT LOL!!!!1' school of thought.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Is praying pointless?

                        Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
                        OP is of the 'LOL CAN GOD CREATE A ROCK THAT IS TOO HEAVY FOR HIM TO LIFT LOL!!!!1' school of thought.
                        You mean Confusedyyia school of thought?
                        “Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah ? Then will you not be reminded? And they say, “There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time.” And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.” Quran 45:23-24

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                        • #27
                          Re: Is praying pointless?

                          Originally posted by obaid_m View Post
                          You mean Confusedyyia school of thought?
                          I guess you could say that. =)
                          If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Is praying pointless?

                            Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
                            Is praying pointless?

                            The God is omniscient and knows everything that is going to happen in the future and the outcome of every situation is know to him.
                            He has already planned the future (al-qadr) and he is the best of the planners and nothing happens against his plan and will.

                            Now if I ask God for something...

                            If that thing is part of his plan, it will happen regardless of my praying.
                            If that outcome is not part of his plan, it will simply not happen.

                            If he changes his plan after my prayer, the first outcome was never going to happen and was never part of his plan because he always knew his plan and the final outcome?

                            This link is explaining everything ..

                            Why should a Muslim act if everything is already decreed by Allah?

                            http://abuaminaelias.com/why-should-...reed-by-allah/


                            Ibn Al Qayyim may Allah have mercy on him said: ("
                            The heart on its journey towards Allah the Exalted is like that of a bird. Love is its head, and fear and hope are its two wings. When the head is healthy, then the two wings will fly well. When the head is cut off, the bird will die. When either of two wings is damaged, the bird becomes vulnerable to every hunter and predator..”
                            )

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                            • #29
                              Re: Is praying pointless?

                              Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
                              Is praying pointless?

                              The God is omniscient and knows everything that is going to happen in the future and the outcome of every situation is know to him.
                              He has already planned the future (al-qadr) and he is the best of the planners and nothing happens against his plan and will.

                              Now if I ask God for something...

                              If that thing is part of his plan, it will happen regardless of my praying.
                              If that outcome is not part of his plan, it will simply not happen.

                              If he changes his plan after my prayer, the first outcome was never going to happen and was never part of his plan because he always knew his plan and the final outcome?
                              Qadr is perfect knowledge of Allah swt , Our actions are known to Allah swt beforehand through that knowledge , it does not mean that we are forced to do that.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Is praying pointless?

                                Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
                                OP is of the 'LOL CAN GOD CREATE A ROCK THAT IS TOO HEAVY FOR HIM TO LIFT LOL!!!!1' school of thought.
                                I don't know what that school of thought is but what would be the Islamic answer to that omnipotence paradox:

                                'LOL CAN GOD CREATE A ROCK THAT IS TOO HEAVY FOR HIM TO LIFT LOL!!!! ?

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