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  • Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

    In Suarh Al-Masad (111), first verse:

    May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he. [111:1]

    Who is the speaker here? Is that Allah cursing a human? I have heard the term Allah's curse before.

    It's like the boss of a business cursing his employee "May you get fired from the job".

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    Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

    It's not like the boss of an employee at all. The boss didn't create the employee.

    Your attempts are quite laughable. Then again, can't really expect much from a polytheist.

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    • #3
      Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

      Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
      It's not like the boss of an employee at all. The boss didn't create the employee.

      Your attempts are quite laughable. Then again, can't really expect much from a polytheist.
      The common factor in my analogy is the capability of the person who is cursing. Not the relationship of creator and creation. But even then it is your belief that Allah the creator is capable of doing anything.

      And how am I a polytheist?

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      • #4
        Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

        Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
        The common factor in my analogy is the capability of the person who is cursing. Not the relationship of creator and creation. But even then it is your belief that Allah the creator is capable of doing anything.

        And how am I a polytheist?
        Not really. The 'boss' doesn't have 'absolute' capability. More often then not, bosses cannot fire someone just because they want to without possible legal repercussions. The employee can also resign 'before' being fired. The analogy is flawed on several levels.

        Second part is correct. Allah does as he wills, and affirms in the same verse that Abu Lahab is indeed ruined.

        As for you being a polytheist, that is my assumption as you claim to have no religion and my experience tells me that people like you generally tend to be polytheistic in nature.

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        • #5
          Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

          Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
          In Suarh Al-Masad (111), first verse:

          May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he. [111:1]

          Who is the speaker here? Is that Allah cursing a human? I have heard the term Allah's curse before.

          It's like the boss of a business cursing his employee "May you get fired from the job".
          Abu Lahab, an uncle of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam), opposed him fiercely – as did his wife. He is said to have insulted the Prophet with the words ‘Tabbak yadak’ (‘may your hands be ruined’). In response, Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) says this: ‘May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined! May he be ruined too! Neither his wealth nor his gains will help him: he will burn in the Flaming Fire, and so will his wife, the firewood-carrier, with a palm-fibre rope around her neck.’ (Al-Masad: 1-5).

          Note: Abu Lahab means ‘Flame Man’. Verse three is a pun on his name. It is said that Lahab’s wife used to tie bunches of thorns with ropes of twisted palm fibre and throw them into the Prophet’s path.

          Lesson: We reap what we sow!
          'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib‎)

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          • #6
            Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

            Originally posted by Grandad View Post
            Abu Lahab, an uncle of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam), opposed him fiercely – as did his wife. He is said to have insulted the Prophet with the words ‘Tabbak yadak’ (‘may your hands be ruined’). In response, Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) says this: ‘May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined! May he be ruined too! Neither his wealth nor his gains will help him: he will burn in the Flaming Fire, and so will his wife, the firewood-carrier, with a palm-fibre rope around her neck.’ (Al-Masad: 1-5).

            Note: Abu Lahab means ‘Flame Man’. Verse three is a pun on his name. It is said that Lahab’s wife used to tie bunches of thorns with ropes of twisted palm fibre and throw them into the Prophet’s path.

            Lesson: We reap what we sow!
            Abu Lahab and his wife might have been the worst human beings ever lived and were specifically mentioned in the Quran, but the question is:

            Who is saying: "May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined!"?

            Allah or Muhammad?

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            • #7
              Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

              Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
              Abu Lahab and his wife might have been the worst human beings ever lived and were specifically mentioned in the Quran, but the question is:

              Who is saying: "May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined!"?

              Allah or Muhammad?
              In case you missed it the first time:

              Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) says this: ‘May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined! May he be ruined too! Neither his wealth nor his gains will help him: he will burn in the Flaming Fire, and so will his wife, the firewood-carrier, with a palm-fibre rope around her neck.’ (Al-Masad: 1-5).
              'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib‎)

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              • #8
                Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

                Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
                Abu Lahab and his wife might have been the worst human beings ever lived and were specifically mentioned in the Quran, but the question is:

                Who is saying: "May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined!"?

                Allah or Muhammad?
                You know very well that the Qur'an is the speech of Allah that was conveyed to the messenger of Allah through the angel Jibreel. Why ask a question to which you already know the answer?

                Like I said, your attempts are laughable.

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                • #9
                  Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

                  Originally posted by Grandad View Post
                  In case you missed it the first time:

                  Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) says this: ‘May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined! May he be ruined too! Neither his wealth nor his gains will help him: he will burn in the Flaming Fire, and so will his wife, the firewood-carrier, with a palm-fibre rope around her neck.’ (Al-Masad: 1-5).
                  That was my question that who is cursing a human in that verse. Thanks.

                  curse
                  /kəːs/
                  noun
                  a solemn utterance intended to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.
                  Last edited by shabbir80; 22-08-16, 01:03 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
                    Originally posted by Grandad View Post
                    In case you missed it the first time:

                    Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) says this: ‘May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined! May he be ruined too! Neither his wealth nor his gains will help him: he will burn in the Flaming Fire, and so will his wife, the firewood-carrier, with a palm-fibre rope around her neck.’ (Al-Masad: 1-5).
                    That was my question that who is cursing a human in that verse. Thanks.

                    curse
                    /kəːs/
                    noun
                    a solemn utterance intended to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.
                    Allah doesn't need to 'invoke' a supernatural power. So it's not cursing.
                    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

                      Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                      Allah doesn't need to 'invoke' a supernatural power. So it's not cursing.
                      Thanks for joining the conversation. If it is not a curse or wish then how can the verse be translated in English? Why the translation begins with "May .. something happen"?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

                        From Tafsir Ibn Al Kathir:

                        تَبَّتْ يَدَآ أَبِى لَهَبٍ وَتَبَّ

                        (Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab and perish he!) The first part is a supplication against him and the second is information about him. This man Abu Lahab was one of the uncles of the Messenger of Allah.His name was `Abdul-`Uzza bin Abdul-Muttalib. His surname was Abu `Utaybah and he was only called Abu Lahab because of the brightness of his face. He used to often cause harm to the Messenger of Allah. He hated and scorned him and his religion.........

                        http://quranx.com/Tafsir/Kathir/111.1

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

                          Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
                          From Tafsir Ibn Al Kathir:

                          تَبَّتْ يَدَآ أَبِى لَهَبٍ وَتَبَّ

                          (Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab and perish he!) The first part is a supplication against him and the second is information about him. This man Abu Lahab was one of the uncles of the Messenger of Allah.His name was `Abdul-`Uzza bin Abdul-Muttalib. His surname was Abu `Utaybah and he was only called Abu Lahab because of the brightness of his face. He used to often cause harm to the Messenger of Allah. He hated and scorned him and his religion.........

                          http://quranx.com/Tafsir/Kathir/111.1
                          As you have pointed out, the word found in the Qur’an is not ‘May’ but ‘Perish’ (tabbat); and the verses can safely be interpreted: ‘Abu Lahab’s hands will perish (tabbat), and he will perish (watabba). His wealth and that which he earns will not avail him.’

                          This is not a curse; it is merely a statement of what is to come. Abu Lahab will fall as a result of his actions.

                          The Noble Qur'an cannot be translated. It can only be interpreted. The lesson here is that care must be taken when making interpretations!
                          'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib‎)

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                          • #14
                            Re: Who is cursing in this Surah of the Quran?

                            Originally posted by shabbir80 View Post
                            From Tafsir Ibn Al Kathir:

                            تَبَّتْ يَدَآ أَبِى لَهَبٍ وَتَبَّ

                            (Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab and perish he!) The first part is a supplication against him and the second is information about him. This man Abu Lahab was one of the uncles of the Messenger of Allah.His name was `Abdul-`Uzza bin Abdul-Muttalib. His surname was Abu `Utaybah and he was only called Abu Lahab because of the brightness of his face. He used to often cause harm to the Messenger of Allah. He hated and scorned him and his religion.........

                            http://quranx.com/Tafsir/Kathir/111.1
                            Allah is just letting us know whats going to happen to abu lahab in future. thats all; that he is doomed!

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