Salam, I have a few questions

[kittymuslimah]

Salamaillakum
I'm trying to understand a few things.

So if God is all knowing, then are we like toys in this world? How is that he's testing us when he knows what will happen? So he knows who is going to heaven or hell? So he made humans knowing they will plunge down in hell?

I have read some verses in the Qur'an that says if one disbelieves and refuses to believe it (something like that), then Allah will make their hearts and eyes literally "blind" from the truth and their ignorance stronger? What is the point of that? I thought he gave everyone chances?

Also, how is a woman can't sing publicly but men can? Isn't their singing voice awra as well?

Much appreciated :)

[Siraj al-Din]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

Salamaillakum
I'm trying to understand a few things.

So if God is all knowing, then are we like toys in this world? How is that he's testing us when he knows what will happen? So he knows who is going to heaven or hell? So he made humans knowing they will plunge down in hell?

I have read some verses in the Qur'an that says if one disbelieves and refuses to believe it (something like that), then Allah will make their hearts and eyes literally "blind" from the truth and their ignorance stronger? What is the point of that? I thought he gave everyone chances?

Also, how is a woman can't sing publicly but men can? Isn't their singing voice awra as well?

Much appreciated :)

Salamaillakum

Wa alaykumussalam. :D

So if God is all knowing, then are we like toys in this world? How is that he's testing us when he knows what will happen? So he knows who is going to heaven or hell?

This is a very complicated question and Muslim thinkers have argued about it throughout centuries; but in short: God is All-Knowing. He knows what I shall do tomorrow; but His knowledge of what I shall do tomorrow does not deprive me of the freedom to choose what I do.

Some people choose the path that leads to Hell and they end up in Hell. Others freely choose the path that leads to Paradise and they arrive at Paradise. God knows who will choose which path, and who will end up where; but men and women are nevertheless responsible for their choices.

I have read some verses in the Qur'an that says if one disbelieves and refuses to believe it (something like that), then Allah will make their hearts and eyes literally "blind" from the truth and their ignorance stronger? What is the point of that? I thought he gave everyone chances?

When one disbelieves, he is closing his "heart" to the truth; so the necessary consequence is that he becomes spiritually insensible. They disbelieve; they rebel; and so God seals their hearts; this sealing is the necessary consequence of their rebellion.

Also, how is a woman can't sing publicly but men can? Isn't their singing voice awra as well?

There is a difference of opinion as to whether women can sing publicly. Those who argue for the permissibility of the singing of women cite ahadith such as the following: Two girls (A'isha's friends) were singing; and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was listening to their songs. Abu Bakr, May Allah be pleased with him, reproached them; yet, to Abu Bakr, the Prophet said: "Let them be, O Abu Bakr. Today is the day of Eid". (reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Those who say that women must not sing publicly (and that men must not listen to the singing voice of non-mahram females) cite other hadiths, and they also cite the verse of the Quran in which the wives of the Prophet are told "not to be soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire to you". (Quran 33:32) They often point out that there are more men in the world who have 'a disease in their heart' than there are women who are so; and since men are weaker, in this regard, and women stronger, it is more probable that the singing voice of a female would incite a man's passion, than if the opposite were the case.

[Slave of Rehman]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

:wswrwb:

hmmm kittygirl

you're sounding like a non-muslim you know that???; if you really are a muslimah then shouldn't you trust that everything must have a good reason rather than sounding sceptic?

ok i'll give you an example

say for example [just for example but it's not true] them fortune-tellers could really tell our future, will that negate our test in this world????; it wouldn't would it?, so why should God knowing negate the validity of our test??? :)

basically when one refuses to believe then his punishment is to turn blind to the truth, that's fair isn't it????

that is the humans fault too for it's sort of like going more astray and deluded when one knows that that will be the case, it's like when one starts smoking he knows that he's likely to get addicted ...., when one watches porn he knows that this is the path to destruction as it's addictive and leads to more and more evil and extreme stuff etc, so if they do it and 'Allah makes them go more astray' then they've done that to themselves too so it's their fault; get it sis???

now about the awrah

well i'm not sure about womens voice an that [im a cockney excuse me :o] but if it should be awrah [their singing] then c'mon, surely you know that women is a far more sexual creature????, thus their voice is more seductive ....

scientifically the women is a more sexual creature; the mans erogenous zone is just the pelvic area while the womens is that and the mammary glands too ;); and why are womens legs so attractive eh????, to get to the point, they exude sexuality all over unlike men

[kittymuslimah]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

:wswrwb:

hmmm kittygirl

your sounding like a non-muslim you know that???; if you really are a muslimah then shouldn't you trust that everything must have a good reason rather than sounding sceptic?

ok i'll give you an example

say for example [just for example but it's not true] them fortune-tellers could really tell our future, will that negate our test in this world????; it wouldn't would it?, so why should God knowing negate the validity of our test??? :)

basically when one refuses to believe then his punishment is to turn blind to the truth, that's fair isn't it????

that is the humans fault too for it's sort of like going more astray and deluded when one knows that that will be the case, it's like when one starts smoking he knows that he's likely to get addicted ...., when one watches porn he knows that this is the path to destruction as it's addictive and leads to more and more evil and extreme stuff etc, so if they do it and 'Allah makes them go more astray' then they've done that to themselves too so it's their fault; get it sis???

now about the awrah

well i'm not sure about womens voice an that [im a cockney excuse me :o] but if it should be awrah [their singing] then c'mon, surely you know that women is a far more sexual creature????, thus their voice is more seductive ....

scientifically the women is a more sexual creature; the mans erogenous zone is just the pelvic area while the womens is that and the mammary glands too ;); and why are womens legs so attractive eh????, to get to the point, they exude sexuality all over unlike men

Don't accuse me of being a non muslim or call me "kittygirl". You have to respect that there are people who want to learn more about their religion, and by doing this they ask questions.

Although your grammar was atrocious in your answer, I kind of get what you're saying lol. Jazakallah khair for your input

[kittymuslimah]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

Wa alaykumussalam. :D



This is a very complicated question and Muslim thinkers have argued about it throughout centuries; but in short: God is All-Knowing. He knows what I shall do tomorrow; but His knowledge of what I shall do tomorrow does not deprive me of the freedom to choose what I do.

Some people choose the path that leads to Hell and they end up in Hell. Others freely choose the path that leads to Paradise and they arrive at Paradise. God knows who will choose which path, and who will end up where; but men and women are nevertheless responsible for their choices.



When one disbelieves, he is closing his "heart" to the truth; so the necessary consequence is that he becomes spiritually insensible. They disbelieve; they rebel; and so God seals their hearts; this sealing is the necessary consequence of their rebellion.



There is a difference of opinion as to whether women can sing publicly. Those who argue for the permissibility of the singing of women cite ahadith such as the following: Two girls (A'isha's friends) were singing; and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was listening to their songs. Abu Bakr, May Allah be pleased with him, reproached them; yet, to Abu Bakr, the Prophet said: "Let them be, O Abu Bakr. Today is the day of Eid". (reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Those who say that women must not sing publicly (and that men must not listen to the singing voice of non-mahram females) cite other hadiths, and they also cite the verse of the Quran in which the wives of the Prophet are told "not to be soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire to you". (Quran 33:32) They often point out that there are more men in the world who have 'a disease in their heart' than there are women who are so; and since men are weaker, in this regard, and women stronger, it is more probable that the singing voice of a female would incite a man's passion, than if the opposite were the case.

Jazakallah khair, great answer :)
Please others continue to share your ideas.

[AbdullahiG]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

Don't accuse me of being a non muslim or call me "kittygirl". You have to respect that there are people who want to learn more about their religion, and by doing this they ask questions.

Although your grammar was atrocious in your answer, I kind of get what you're saying lol. Jazakallah khair for your input

:D:D:D thats it sis give it to him! :D

[AbdullahiG]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

:wswrwb:

Hmmm kittygirl

you're sounding like a non-muslim you know that???; if you really are a muslimah then shouldn't you trust that everything must have a good reason rather than sounding sceptic?

Ok i'll give you an example

say for example [just for example but it's not true] them fortune-tellers could really tell our future, will that negate our test in this world????; it wouldn't would it?, so why should god knowing negate the validity of our test??? :)

basically when one refuses to believe then his punishment is to turn blind to the truth, that's fair isn't it????

That is the humans fault too for it's sort of like going more astray and deluded when one knows that that will be the case, it's like when one starts smoking he knows that he's likely to get addicted ...., when one watches porn he knows that this is the path to destruction as it's addictive and leads to more and more evil and extreme stuff etc, so if they do it and 'allah makes them go more astray' then they've done that to themselves too so it's their fault; get it sis???

Now about the awrah

well i'm not sure about womens voice an that [im a cockney excuse me :o] but if it should be awrah [their singing] then c'mon, surely you know that women is a far more sexual creature????, thus their voice is more seductive ....

Scientifically the women is a more sexual creature; the mans erogenous zone is just the pelvic area while the womens is that and the mammary glands too ;); and why are womens legs so attractive eh????, to get to the point, they exude sexuality all over unlike men

hey slave maan, apart from your 'kitty girl' and being nasty to kitty your posts quite good man

stop being nasty slimeball or else! :bang: [this slimeballs my mate guys! ;)]

[talibilm09]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

Salamaillakum
I'm trying to understand a few things.

So if God is all knowing, then are we like toys in this world? How is that he's testing us when he knows what will happen? So he knows who is going to heaven or hell? So he made humans knowing they will plunge down in hell?

I have read some verses in the Qur'an that says if one disbelieves and refuses to believe it (something like that), then Allah will make their hearts and eyes literally "blind" from the truth and their ignorance stronger? What is the point of that? I thought he gave everyone chances?

Also, how is a woman can't sing publicly but men can? Isn't their singing voice awra as well?

Much appreciated :)

:salams: Sister

Post # 216 in this thread does have some answer for your doubts either direct or implied

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...t=#post6966940

I reiterate that hadith here too

Volume 8, Book 77, Number 602:

Narrated 'Ali:

While we were sitting with the Prophet who had a stick with which he was scraping the earth, he lowered his head and said, "There is none of you but has his place assigned either in the Fire or in Paradise." Thereupon a man from the people said, "Shall we not depend upon this, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet said, "No, but carry on and do your deeds, for everybody finds it easy to do such deeds (as will lead him to his place)." The Prophet then recited the Verse: 'As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allah..' (92.5)


And like to add that Allah leaves in misguidance those people who do not think and use reason to a balanced limit Like Someone saying believe i have an appointed time of death in my Al Qadr or destiny , decree , so I will walk in the middle of the high way since I am damn sure I will not die if my time has not come. It may so happen that if this still survives this stupidness by chance but still he may be permanently disabled even by a little hit of the fast moving cars there. So Allah is The Adil , The Fair so leave about having the slightest doubt when Allah has already declared something like '' My Mercy prevails over my Wrath "' So Allah will help not misguide anyone that clearly seen from more than 120000 Prophets that Allah had sent and did not punish the wrong doers immediately but gave chances after chance and many TESTS & REMINDERS to guide them to the right path

[talibilm09]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

Wa alaykumussalam. :D



This is a very complicated question and Muslim thinkers have argued about it throughout centuries; but in short: God is All-Knowing. He knows what I shall do tomorrow; but His knowledge of what I shall do tomorrow does not deprive me of the freedom to choose what I do.

Some people choose the path that leads to Hell and they end up in Hell. Others freely choose the path that leads to Paradise and they arrive at Paradise. God knows who will choose which path, and who will end up where; but men and women are nevertheless responsible for their choices.



When one disbelieves, he is closing his "heart" to the truth; so the necessary consequence is that he becomes spiritually insensible. They disbelieve; they rebel; and so God seals their hearts; this sealing is the necessary consequence of their rebellion.



There is a difference of opinion as to whether women can sing publicly. Those who argue for the permissibility of the singing of women cite ahadith such as the following: Two girls (A'isha's friends) were singing; and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was listening to their songs. Abu Bakr, May Allah be pleased with him, reproached them; yet, to Abu Bakr, the Prophet said: "Let them be, O Abu Bakr. Today is the day of Eid". (reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Those who say that women must not sing publicly (and that men must not listen to the singing voice of non-mahram females) cite other hadiths, and they also cite the verse of the Quran in which the wives of the Prophet are told "not to be soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire to you". (Quran 33:32) They often point out that there are more men in the world who have 'a disease in their heart' than there are women who are so; and since men are weaker, in this regard, and women stronger, it is more probable that the singing voice of a female would incite a man's passion, than if the opposite were the case.

:salams:

I agree with this and a good reply too.

[kittymuslimah]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

:salams: Sister

Post # 216 in this thread does have some answer for your doubts either direct or implied

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...t=#post6966940

I reiterate that hadith here too

Volume 8, Book 77, Number 602:

Narrated 'Ali:

While we were sitting with the Prophet who had a stick with which he was scraping the earth, he lowered his head and said, "There is none of you but has his place assigned either in the Fire or in Paradise." Thereupon a man from the people said, "Shall we not depend upon this, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet said, "No, but carry on and do your deeds, for everybody finds it easy to do such deeds (as will lead him to his place)." The Prophet then recited the Verse: 'As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allah..' (92.5)


And like to add that Allah leaves in misguidance those people who do not think and use reason to a balanced limit Like Someone saying believe i have an appointed time of death in my Al Qadr or destiny , decree , so I will walk in the middle of the high way since I am damn sure I will not die if my time has not come. It may so happen that if this still survives this stupidness by chance but still he may be permanently disabled even by a little hit of the fast moving cars there. So Allah is The Adil , The Fair so leave about having the slightest doubt when Allah has already declared something like '' My Mercy prevails over my Wrath "' So Allah will help not misguide anyone that clearly seen from more than 120000 Prophets that Allah had sent and did not punish the wrong doers immediately but gave chances after chance and many TESTS & REMINDERS to guide them to the right path

Ahh it's clearer now, jazakallah khair

[talibilm09]

Re: Salam, I have a few questions

:salams:

Since this question is nearly about the Al Qadr related issue, here are further proofs from the Noble Quran and Sahih hadiths on this issue

Kindly read post # 71 from the thread '' Mostly Overlooked Hadiths & Verses and their Wisdom ''

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...08#post7002608