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  • Who are the people being spoken about in this Hadith?

    Narrated Khabbab bin Al-Arat:

    We complained to Allah's Apostle (of the persecution inflicted on us by the infidels) while he was sitting in the shade of the Ka'ba, leaning over his Burd (i.e. covering sheet). We said to him, "Would you seek help for us? Would you pray to Allah for us?"

    He said, "Among the nations before you a (believing) man would be put in a ditch that was dug for him, and a saw would be put over his head and he would be cut into two pieces; yet that (torture) would not make him give up his religion. His body would be combed with iron combs that would remove his flesh from the bones and nerves, yet that would not make him abandon his religion. By Allah, this religion (i.e. Islam) will prevail till a traveler from Sana (in Yemen) to Hadrarmaut will fear none but Allah, or a wolf as regards his sheep, but you (people) are hasty.
    (Bukhari : Book 4 : Volume 56 : Hadith 809)


    As per the Hadith, those killed are said to be from nations before Muslims (Christians and Jews?). Any ideas/guesses who they were, specifically?
    Last edited by sk0rpi0n; 30-11-15, 12:16 PM.

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    Re: Who are the people being spoken about in this Hadith?

    In connection with the above, I came across the story of a Rabbi named Akiva (50 AD - 137 AD). According to what I've read, he was executed by the Romans (because of his faith) with an iron comb. His last words were that of the Shema.

    Christians who were executed by combing were:
    As described in the Mishnah, Akiba ben Joseph, a Judean tanna of the latter part of the 1st century and the beginning of the 2nd century, said the Shema prayer as he was combed to death by agents of Ancient Rome.[3][6] Evoking this memorable incident, a writer for Haaretz metaphorically described political corruption in contemporary Israel as "an iron comb of torture."[7]

    Combing continued to be used as a means of torture during the persecution of early Christians in the Roman Empire.[8] The Acts of St. Blaise, a Greek text describing the 3rd century Armenian bishop Saint Blaise, recount how he was captured by the governor of Cappadocia and beaten, combed, and beheaded for not renouncing Christianity. Eventually becoming a popular saint in Medieval Europe and venerated as one of the Fourteen Holy Helpers, the frequent depiction of St. Blaise in iconography with the iron combs of his martyrdom led to his adoption as the patron saint of wool combers in particular and the wool trade in general.[9][10][11]

    St. Antonius of Beba, a martyr venerated in the Coptic Orthodox Church, was also tortured with iron combs before being beheaded.[12] St. Hilaria, another Coptic martyr, survived torture by combing and other sadistic methods before finally being dismembered, beheaded, and thrown into a fire.[12] A third Coptic martyr, the ascetic virgin St. Febronia in the reign of Emperor Diocletian, lived through combing, being crushed by a wheel, and other tortures, before she too was beheaded.[13]

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      Re: Who are the people being spoken about in this Hadith?

      Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post
      Narrated Khabbab bin Al-Arat:

      We complained to Allah's Apostle (of the persecution inflicted on us by the infidels) while he was sitting in the shade of the Ka'ba, leaning over his Burd (i.e. covering sheet). We said to him, "Would you seek help for us? Would you pray to Allah for us?"

      He said, "Among the nations before you a (believing) man would be put in a ditch that was dug for him, and a saw would be put over his head and he would be cut into two pieces; yet that (torture) would not make him give up his religion. His body would be combed with iron combs that would remove his flesh from the bones and nerves, yet that would not make him abandon his religion. By Allah, this religion (i.e. Islam) will prevail till a traveler from Sana (in Yemen) to Hadrarmaut will fear none but Allah, or a wolf as regards his sheep, but you (people) are hasty.
      (Bukhari : Book 4 : Volume 56 : Hadith 809)


      As per the Hadith, those killed are said to be from nations before Muslims (Christians and Jews?). Any ideas/guesses who they were, specifically?
      Not sure how accurate, but http://www.islamweb.net/womane/print...=157302&lang=E say's polytheists.

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