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  • #16
    Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

    This is the post # 99 as said in post # 14

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...t=#post6746451
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    • #17
      Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

      Thank you for your answers it helped me understand, when the prophet executed the banu qurayzans did execute only the males who were of fighting age or every male ?

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      • #18
        Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

        Originally posted by Noxcho18 View Post
        Thank you for your answers it helped me understand, when the prophet executed the banu qurayzans did execute only the males who were of fighting age or every male ?
        I think below 15 years were not executed.
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        • #19
          Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

          Originally posted by Noxcho18 View Post
          Thank you for your answers it helped me understand, when the prophet executed the banu qurayzans did execute only the males who were of fighting age or every male ?
          Anyone who had reached Puberty, though some people were spared at the request of some sahaba because of a favour so and so person had done for them a long time ago, and the Prophet :saw: accepted that.


          And ironically the very punishment they got was from their own Torah, its in the book of Deuteronomy if i'm not mistaken.
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          • #20
            Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

            Thank you, could you please give me the hadiths of those who were spared ?

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            • #21
              Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

              The real issue, the fundamental factor, on who lives and who dies, is whether one is under a treaty or contract or covenant with the Islamic state, the Muslim Ummah led by a khalifah.

              All of mankind is required to submit to Allah. All mankind already testified to Allah being the only Lord of the Worlds and only God worthy of worship.
              Mankind was created to worship Him. It is in our nature, our instincts, our intuition.

              And all of Allah's creation submits and worships only Him, except Jinn.

              Kufr is rebellion against one's own self and against all of existence. It is defiance and rebellion against everything. It is the unbalanced, unnatural state.

              That being the reality, Allah is so Merciful that He does not compel mankind to become Muslim. Man can run around in this life in kufr, but Allah will not compel him to become Muslim.

              However, He does compel treaties and covenants.

              Mankind may not be compelled to be Muslim, but he cannot run around and do whatever he likes, tyrannizing, raping, robbing, murdering, destroying all of creation, all of Allah's creation.

              Thus, unless mankind enters into treaties and covenants with the Muslim Ummah, then kufar life, property, freedom, is not protected. And this is because kufr is evil and tyranny and the worst injustice of worshipping false gods, Taghut.

              And this is MORE MERCIFUL than what any man can imagine for himself. Because any man could never imagine strangers enter his house, eat his food, kill, mutilate, rape, his children and pets, break his property, defecate and urinate everywhere, poison his water, except he would wage war against them until they surrendered.

              Allah used to destroy entire people's because they were rebellious kufar. Here, He has sent His last prophet to all of mankind with a Ummah to guide us right instead of destroying us all for transgressions.

              All praises are due to Allah, the Most High, the Almighty.
              Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
              " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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              • #22
                Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                The real issue, the fundamental factor, on who lives and who dies, is whether one is under a treaty or contract or covenant with the Islamic state, the Muslim Ummah led by a khalifah.

                All of mankind is required to submit to Allah. All mankind already testified to Allah being the only Lord of the Worlds and only God worthy of worship.
                Mankind was created to worship Him. It is in our nature, our instincts, our intuition.

                And all of Allah's creation submits and worships only Him, except Jinn.

                Kufr is rebellion against one's own self and against all of existence. It is defiance and rebellion against everything. It is the unbalanced, unnatural state.

                That being the reality, Allah is so Merciful that He does not compel mankind to become Muslim. Man can run around in this life in kufr, but Allah will not compel him to become Muslim.

                However, He does compel treaties and covenants.

                Mankind may not be compelled to be Muslim, but he cannot run around and do whatever he likes, tyrannizing, raping, robbing, murdering, destroying all of creation, all of Allah's creation.

                Thus, unless mankind enters into treaties and covenants with the Muslim Ummah, then kufar life, property, freedom, is not protected. And this is because kufr is evil and tyranny and the worst injustice of worshipping false gods, Taghut.

                And this is MORE MERCIFUL than what any man can imagine for himself. Because any man could never imagine strangers enter his house, eat his food, kill, mutilate, rape, his children and pets, break his property, defecate and urinate everywhere, poison his water, except he would wage war against them until they surrendered.

                Allah used to destroy entire people's because they were rebellious kufar. Here, He has sent His last prophet to all of mankind with a Ummah to guide us right instead of destroying us all for transgressions.

                All praises are due to Allah, the Most High, the Almighty.
                All of which is intended to justify Abu Kamel's usual message of violence. What he's saying is, kill the civilians, they don't matter.

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                • #23
                  Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                  Originally posted by ExNihilo View Post
                  All of which is intended to justify Abu Kamel's usual message of violence. What he's saying is, kill the civilians, they don't matter.
                  Thanks for the summary
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                  • #24
                    Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                    Originally posted by Noxcho18 View Post
                    Hi brothers and sisters can you help me with a question that i have, i just watched a video which is titled "The Quran and the Siege of Paris" its by the evangelist David wood who have criticized Islam many times, He claims that according to Islam it was right to attack the civillians in Paris because Muhammad (pbuh) commanded them to do it.

                    Here is the video:
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur7Ttz0q0o4

                    He uses Surah maidah verses 32-33 and hadits like sunan ibn majah 2759 sahih al bukhari 2843


                    Everything is a matter of historical and metaphorical context, Islam as all the religions (Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism) possess the ingredients for the most beautiful actions like the vilest..
                    Last edited by Epsilon; 23-11-15, 11:06 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                      Ex Nihilo,

                      You're a Briton, right?

                      don't you get tired of trying to be worshipped like you and your ilk are gods?
                      Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
                      " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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                      • #26
                        Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                        Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                        Ex Nihilo,

                        You're a Briton, right?

                        don't you get tired of trying to be worshipped like you and your ilk are gods?
                        It anyone here thinks he is some kind of ubermensch, it's you.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                          Originally posted by ExNihilo View Post
                          All of which is intended to justify Abu Kamel's usual message of violence. What he's saying is, kill the civilians, they don't matter.
                          unfortunately our brother abu has been sucked into the extremist sect :D

                          but the true Islam rejects killing of civilians! ;)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                            Originally posted by Peace4mankind View Post
                            unfortunately our brother abu has been sucked into the extremist sect :D

                            but the true Islam rejects killing of civilians! ;)

                            One can read from Peace4's and Ex Nihilo's posts the effort by some to curtail and misrepresent the Truth so as things fit the global imperial narrative. They admittedly distort my clear statements based on decisive and extensive texts, attempting to spread falsehoods and distortions about them to serve their imperial narrative agenda.

                            Peace4, if you are a Muslim, you will beware of slandering believers, such as myself, lest you turn all of your good deeds over to us or worst. Get with the Ummah and fear Allah.
                            Fear Allah.

                            As I said, the fundamental issue is regarding "the treaty" or "covenant" between peoples.
                            As it stands, America, France, Britain, Russia, Syria are killing innocent unarmed, men, women and even children with no judicial process based on the pretexts of their War on/of Terror. That war is sanctioned by their respective parliements/congresses, and has been unanimously sanctioned by the UN Security Council so that every action they take is "legal" according to their manmade Taghut laws.
                            They have standing, permanent treaties with Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, and other countries (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Ethiopia, Kenya, Mali, Niger, etc) and auxillary bilateral pacts, that allow for them to preemptive attack Muslims in the lands of the Islamic state on the pretext that these Muslims do not comply with their standing permanent treaties they hold with the respective nationalist regimes which the Tawaghit powers installed for this very purpose.

                            Thus, any Muslims in or around these areas can be deemed "enemy combatants", or as the Intercept article described, Muslim children can be called "fun sized terrorists" and killed.

                            This cannot be changed by any Taghut international legal action. Crying for the UN won't help. And public opinion, like the cattle they are, is in support of the Tawaghit.


                            This can only be met in two ways: total war of equitable measures ( Qisas) as Alllah ordered, or by entering into a treaty between the Islamic state and the Tawaghit powers.
                            The former would not end except by unconditional surrender or complete annihilation by either side.
                            The latter would cease killing, but neither side is at that point now.
                            Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
                            " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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                            • #29
                              Re: Did Prophet Muh<script id=

                              Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                              One can read from Peace4's and Ex Nihilo's posts the effort by some to curtail and misrepresent the Truth so as things fit the global imperial narrative. They admittedly distort my clear statements based on decisive and extensive texts, attempting to spread falsehoods and distortions about them to serve their imperial narrative agenda.

                              Peace4, if you are a Muslim, you will beware of slandering believers, such as myself, lest you turn all of your good deeds over to us or worst. Get with the Ummah and fear Allah.
                              Fear Allah.

                              As I said, the fundamental issue is regarding "the treaty" or "covenant" between peoples.
                              As it stands, America, France, Britain, Russia, Syria are killing innocent unarmed, men, women and even children with no judicial process based on the pretexts of their War on/of Terror. That war is sanctioned by their respective parliements/congresses, and has been unanimously sanctioned by the UN Security Council so that every action they take is "legal" according to their manmade Taghut laws.
                              They have standing, permanent treaties with Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, and other countries (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Ethiopia, Kenya, Mali, Niger, etc) and auxillary bilateral pacts, that allow for them to preemptive attack Muslims in the lands of the Islamic state on the pretext that these Muslims do not comply with their standing permanent treaties they hold with the respective nationalist regimes which the Tawaghit powers installed for this very purpose.

                              Thus, any Muslims in or around these areas can be deemed "enemy combatants", or as the Intercept article described, Muslim children can be called "fun sized terrorists" and killed.

                              This cannot be changed by any Taghut international legal action. Crying for the UN won't help. And public opinion, like the cattle they are, is in support of the Tawaghit.


                              This can only be met in two ways: total war of equitable measures ( Qisas) as Alllah ordered, or by entering into a treaty between the Islamic state and the Tawaghit powers.
                              The former would not end except by unconditional surrender or complete annihilation by either side.
                              The latter would cease killing, but neither side is at that point now.
                              لسَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُl

                              my view is not only the imperials narrative bro, it also happens to be the narrative of mainstream Islam; basically other than the salafi's, all muslims are of the same view:

                              In the Sunan of Imam Abu Dawud, it is related from the Companion Ribah ibn al-Rabi’ (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: “We were with the Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him & give him peace) in warfare when he saw a group of people gathered around something. Hence, he sent a man to inquire what people had gathered over. The man returned saying they had gathered around a dead woman The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “This woman did not come here to fight (hence to kill her was not permitted)”. (Sunan Abu Dawud, no: 2669)

                              Based on this, classical and contemporary Muslim jurists (fuqaha) have quite clearly reiterated that the killing of innocent people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, is not allowed under any circumstance in Shariah.

                              http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...-gOofuULy8togE



                              hamza yusuf:

                              in Islam, the only wars that are permitted are between armies and they should engage on battlefields and engage nobly. the prophet Muhammad said, ``do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people,'' and he mentioned priests, nuns and rabbis. and he said, ``do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies.''

                              - see more at: http://shaykhhamza.com/transcript/sa....cnp4r4gb.dpuf


                              your statements are the same as that which i've read on alqaeeda website bro; their rationale for killing civilians; anwar al awlaki said the same things when he was explaining why umar faruk wanted to blow up civilian plane; basically if you didn't mean it as it is ok to kill non-combatant then do you see why any non-muslim will think that you are in so many words?

                              we have to do our utmost to attract people to Islam bro and beating around the bush regarding matters which are henious to anyone does not help at all

                              even if the enemy kill our civilians we are not allowed to kill theirs; shaykh hamza yusuf gave an evidence of that once in a beutiful hadith [sorry forgot the ref]; he said, once a muslim approached the commander of the Muslim army and said, 'lets kill the prisoners of war', the commander replied, 'no'!, the muslim said, 'but they kill our prisoners', the commander replied, 'they are not our teachers'

                              it is one thing to kill a civilian by mistake but to deliberately target them is totally and utterly forbidden
                              Last edited by Peace4mankind; 25-11-15, 06:19 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tell muslims to attack civillians ?

                                Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                                ....
                                Some people argue that innocent Muslims are being killed by non-Muslims; hence Muslims should be allowed to kill innocent people in retaliation. This argument is completely wrong, dangerous and not in line with Islamic teachings. Two wrongs do not make a right. Islam does not allow Muslims to respond to “a mistake” by another mistake.

                                Allah Most High says in the Qur’an:

                                “Revile not you those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance.” (Surah al-An’am, V: 108)

                                It is not allowed for a Muslim to follow up an evil with another evil. If Muslims feel that the UK and US governments are killing innocent civilians in Iraq and elsewhere, it does not give them the right to kill innocent citizens in London or New York.

                                http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/5880

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