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  • #16
    Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

    Originally posted by tomas View Post
    racist hate speech/religious slander

    reported
    you seem to be stalking my every post. get a life.

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    • #17
      Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

      Originally posted by Tila View Post
      From the islamic point of view, is it better to be a muslim, but not practice the religion much, someone who is dishonest and doesn't pray or treat others well, than a jewish believer who follows his religion closely and prays 3 times a day as a jew should, and is honest and just and good to others?
      A Muslim who swerves in fulfilling his religious duties is still better than a good Jew. Unless you believe in Allah (swt) and all of his books and messengers, you are a disbeliever wronging your own soul according to the Islamic point of view.

      The good deeds of disbelievers will all go to waste on the day of judgement--this is mentioned quite clearly in the Qur'an. (Some scholars are of the view that the good deeds of disbelievers are rewarded in the worldly life instead.) To reiterate, no amount of good deeds will benefit someone on the day of judgement if they were a disbeliever and they will be doomed to hell for having wronged their own souls--when the truth was plain before them. they chose to follow their whims and desires and did not submit to the will of their creator who sent down a clear message to follow with clear and abundant signs. Disbelief in Allah (swt) and ignoring His (swt) message and rights upon us is blatant ungratefulness to His (swt) many favors bestowed on us--favors which are too numerous to even count or mention. He (swt) is the one who gives us life and sustains and provides for us. With the prophethood of Muhammad (saw), the monotheistic tradition has been made complete through him and all of humanity and jinns are commanded to believe in the message and book given to him-- a book and message which served to correct and restore the previous message(s) received by the Jews and Christians which had become lost or distorted.

      The promise of Allah (swt) is that he safeguards his message and Allah's (swt) revelation of the Qur'an is His(swt) way of restoring what had been distorted. The Qur'an, because it was sent to the last and final prophet of Allah (swt), will and can never become lost or distorted, on the other hand.

      A Muslim's sins may either be forgiven by Allah (swt) or not. He (swt) is the supreme judge, just, and the All-Knowing and All-Wise. We only hope for mercy and worship Allah (swt) because he is worthy of being worshipped. Having said this, no amount of good deeds and worship on our part will ever suffice or do justice to that because we can never pay Allah (swt) back for his favors and bounties. Our entry to paradise is contingent upon Allah's (swt) mercy only and He(swt) shows His(swt) mercy to whomever He (swt) wills.

      The point though is that there is still a chance at obtaining Allah's mercy so long as one has proclaimed faith in one God and his prophets with the last and final being Muhammad (saw) and struggles toward doing what is required of him. One's actions are undoubtedly mirrors of one's heart and faith--that is why some actions which go blatantly against the teachings of Islam, if carried out by a Muslim, signal a weakness and lack of his faith.

      A Jew on the other hand denies Jesus (as) and Muhammad (saw). This is while the religion with Allah (swt) is Islam. This is what the Qur'an has revealed and we take it as fact.

      Jews, like many happen to, cannot simply say they believe that the prophet Muhammad (saw) was a true messenger except he was only just sent for gentiles or Arabs. The prophet Muhammad (saw) was rather sent for all of humanity. The covenant between the Israelites and Allah (swt) was broken long ago and no longer holds relevance today. Islam is the only way to salvation now. Additionally, there is also, in actuality, no such thing as a Jew or Christian according to the previous scriptures and there is never a mention of such terms within them. The religion revealed by the Supreme Creator from day one was monotheistic submission (Islam). If you are in doubt as to the veracity of the Qur'an, do some honest research. Without it, it isn't fair to blindly deny something, letting your emotions and whims decide for you, without having put in any realistic and sincere effort to learn and thus discern whether it is true or not... I recommend everyone read the Qur'an with a neutral mind before forming any decision regarding it.
      Last edited by dzj1; 08-08-15, 06:54 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

        Originally posted by dzj1 View Post
        there is also, in actuality, no such thing as a Jew or Christian .
        problem solved

        note to mods : the comparative religion section can now be closed down . Thanks to all who have taken part in discussions

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        • #19
          Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

          Originally posted by Spicen View Post
          you seem to be stalking my every post. .
          no, only the hateful, racist ones

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          • #20
            Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

            Originally posted by Spicen View Post
            You cant be a jew and be good. Thats contradictory.
            How is that a contradiction? I have met Jews who are very kind-hearted and accepting people. It is bigoted to generalise and entire ethnic/religious group. How would you feel is someone said that Muslims can't be good?

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            • #21
              Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

              Originally posted by Spicen View Post
              You cant be a jew and be good. Thats contradictory.
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              • #22
                Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                Good Jews are against Zhionism and bad Muslims are allied with Zhionism !
                Note: I am a shia.

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                • #23
                  Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                  Originally posted by tomas View Post
                  racist hate speech/religious slander

                  reported
                  Freedom of speech, mate. Isn't that what the kuffar love saying when they mock Muslims and the prophet of Islam. But you want to 'report' him now? Hilarious. Cry a river and get over.
                  Last edited by *sheba*; 09-08-15, 12:48 PM.
                  O people who take pleasure in a life that will vanish, falling in love with a fading shadow is sheer stupidity~ Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya

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                  • #24
                    Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                    Those possible good Jews who are truly religious and truth of Islam is not reached to them well, they are far better than those so called Muslims who withstand the truth knowingly and ruin the religion of Muhammad and annoy other Muslims.
                    Some Munafiqs are far worse than Kafirs. This is logic of Quran.

                    "the hypocrites will be in the lowest place of the fire, you will not find a helper for them." (Quran 4:145)
                    Note: I am a shia.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                      Originally posted by *sheba* View Post
                      Freedom of speech, mate. Isn't that what the kuffar love saying when they mock Muslims and the prophet of Islam. But you want to 'report' him now? Hilarious. Cry a river and get over.
                      I am against bigoted people who generalise and spread hatred towards Muslims but one should not be hypocritical. If you think that it is wrong to generalise Muslims, you should be against generalising Jews as well. I have met Jews who work hard to raise awareness of the struggle the Palestinian people face. If they saw the hatred that some Muslims have towards them, would you blame them if they lost sympathy for our causes?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                        Originally posted by Tila View Post
                        From the islamic point of view, is it better to be a muslim, but not practice the religion much, someone who is dishonest and doesn't pray or treat others well, than a jewish believer who follows his religion closely and prays 3 times a day as a jew should, and is honest and just and good to others?
                        A muslim who doesn't pray? Nope. As Muslims our books are very clear regarding the one who gives up prayer totally even if they know that praying is a Islamic obligation..

                        But it's none of ours job to judge who is better. Leave that to God.

                        But if I wanna answer, I'd say you should explain further. Good jew, bad muslim isn't enough.

                        I believe (as do most modern Islamic scholars) that good works and good imaan is two distinct things. Good imaan would necessitate good works but good works doesn't require good imaan. BUT you need both good imaan as well as good works to get through to the Islamic heaven.
                        *imaan = faith

                        As for the jew, it depends on their theology. I don't personaaly believe that the jewish God is the God muslims bow their heads down to....but a jew having basic monotheism is enough to confirm tawhid on them.
                        But the jew surely has weak imaan. The Jew don't believe in Muhammed, or the Day of Judgement, or the after-life. So it becomes complicated. The Jew's sincerity also needs to be questioned and their exposure to the true faith.

                        So it isn't simple. IMO a good jew with good morals, sincerity, and belief in God is better than a bad muslim. That's my worldly judgement. I'd rather hang around with someone with good morals.
                        Last edited by Imaam; 09-08-15, 05:36 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by dzj1 View Post
                          The covenant between the Israelites and Allah (swt) was broken long ago and no longer holds relevance today.
                          What is the evidence for this? That the covenant between the Israelites and Allah has been broken long ago? If it was broken

                          (a) when was it broken and for what reason?
                          (b) how can you explain away the many prophecies regarding the End Times found in today's Torah/Tanach?
                          (c) why the need to send the Jewish Messiah Jesus (pbuh) again as their King
                          (d) the End Times prophecy in the Qur'an regarding their act of causing great corruption upon the earth once again, only to be punished? And why does Allah still promise to assemble all of this nation in one place?

                          Yes, Islam is the only acceptable way of life in the sight of Allah SWT, but that does not necessarily mean that Allah is done with the Jews. Those who accept Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger of God would join the Ummah and be saved from the fire, but those who hear of him but reject the truth would be thrown deeper into the fire. They are still Jews though, and the covenant still lasts. The fact that we have replaced them does not mean God breaks his promises of land, blessings and punishment.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                            Originally posted by Jihaaaaaaad View Post
                            What is the evidence for this? That the covenant between the Israelites and Allah has been broken long ago? If it was broken

                            (a) when was it broken and for what reason?
                            (b) how can you explain away the many prophecies regarding the End Times found in today's Torah/Tanach?
                            (c) why the need to send the Jewish Messiah Jesus (pbuh) again as their King
                            (d) the End Times prophecy in the Qur'an regarding their act of causing great corruption upon the earth once again, only to be punished? And why does Allah still promise to assemble all of this nation in one place?

                            Yes, Islam is the only acceptable way of life in the sight of Allah SWT, but that does not necessarily mean that Allah is done with the Jews. Those who accept Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger of God would join the Ummah and be saved from the fire, but those who hear of him but reject the truth would be thrown deeper into the fire. They are still Jews though, and the covenant still lasts. The fact that we have replaced them does not mean God breaks his promises of land, blessings and punishment.
                            I think the brother meant the message that came to the Jews is not relevant today.
                            I have left you on a clear path, its night is like its day. None stray from it except he is destroyed.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                              Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                              You cant be a jew and be good. Thats contradictory.
                              No that's stupid, ignorant, racist and just plain wrong. You clearly have no idea about Allah!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Good jew vs. Bad muslim?

                                Originally posted by Blitzkrieg37 View Post
                                One question here....Are jews really committing Shirk?

                                I heard they believe only in one God alone. So if they are not associating partners with him, why can't their sins be forgiven?
                                You haven't read the Jewish Encyclopedia - Son of God?
                                Watch those eyes

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