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Question about Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 589

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    Re: Question about Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 589

    Originally posted by alTahira View Post
    Salem aleykum,

    this hadith is indeed authentic ('sahih').

    But, in Islam, let me in sha Allah remind you that it is important to associate to the hadith you transmit, the interpretation and/or the explanations that go with.

    So, this hadith is reported by imam Bukhari and imam Muslim in their Sahih, respectively.

    For example in Sahih Bukhari, it's present in :
    ' the Chapter of (the punishment for) those who wage war (against Allah and His Messenger) from the people who are disbelievers and from those who have turned renegades (converted from Islam). And the Statement of Allah ta'ala : "The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified, or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land..." (V.5:33) '

    > You can find it here, p. 416 (Traduction of Sahih Bukhari - Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan - volume 8) : https://futureislam.files.wordpress....-5970-6860.pdf

    As you will see, there's multiple versions of this hadith (cf. my precedent link).

    In one of them, we have this information :

    Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder and fought against Allah and His Messenger." or another version :
    Abu Qilaba said, "Those were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims), and fought against Allah and His Messenger."

    --> so you have the proof that it wasn't an act of torture but a legal punishment, for their crimes.

    Third point. In a version of this hadith reported by imam Muslim, it's said that (i'm sorry it's in french) :

    3162. D'après Anas Ibn Malîk (que Dieu l'agrée), des gens de vinrent à Médine trouver
    l'Envoyé de Dieu et comme ils eurent très mal au ventre, l'Envoyé de Dieu (paix et
    bénédiction de Dieu sur lui) leur dit : "Si cela vous convient, allez boire du lait et de l'urine
    des chamelles de l'aumône". En suivant son conseil, ils se rétablirent, mais ils tuèrent les
    bergers, revinrent sur leur foi, et s'emparèrent des chameaux de l'Envoyé de Dieu (paix et
    bénédiction de Dieu sur lui). Aussitôt mis au courant, le Prophète (paix et bénédiction de Dieu
    sur lui) dépêcha sur leurs traces des hommes qui les rejoignirent et les ramenèrent. Il ordonna
    alors de leur couper les mains et les pieds, de leur crever les yeux au fer rouge et de les laisser
    à "Al-Harra" où ils périrent (Au titre de la loi du talion, car ces bandits avaient tué les bergers de cette même façon cruelle).

    > You can find it here, p. 177 (Traduction of Sahih Muslim - french) : http://ddata.over-blog.com/4/22/62/7...ih-Mouslim.pdf

    So this hadith (with the explanation of imam Malik > sentence in bold : traduction in english 'In respect of the law of retaliation, because those criminals have killed the shepherd by the same cruel way.') shows that the criminal has to be punished the same way he acted. It means that those people have killed the shepherd of the Prophet (saws) by the same way they have been punished.

    They gouged the shepherd's eyes with coal-fired steam iron and then killed him, as explained by imam Muslim.

    So here the punishment was the application of the law of retaliation : to kill them because they killed the shepherd (it means that the family of this man didn't want the blood price) and to gouge their eyes because they make the same to this poor man. That's just the application with justice of the islamic law.

    Indeed, in Islam you have this law : S5 V 45
    "And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."

    (And concerning the cut of the feet/hands --> it's the Had of al-Muharaba, cf. V38-39; S5 : they didn't repent or reform after their crime --> punishment).

    Wa Allahu a'lem
    Walikum salam wr wb Sister,

    Right reference and Proof :up: which was the Law of Allah even in the Torah , Law of Allah to Prophet Musa or Moses (as ) the Noble Quran claims.
    Last edited by talibilm09; 09-08-15, 05:04 AM.
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