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  • #91
    Re: Question about the apostasy law

    Originally posted by Al-Fatihah View Post
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    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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    • #92
      Re: Question about the apostasy law

      Originally posted by abufulaans View Post
      Don't run away, I explained that the verses and Hadith you gave have been abrogated just like alcohol, was originally ok
      Can't you refute me now?
      Assalamualaikum, brother! :D

      You and Mikhaeel have done wonderful work! May Allah bless you two!

      As for Al-fatihah, that low-life scumbag can't refute you at all.

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      • #93
        Re: Question about the apostasy law

        Statement 1: 'change religion' doesn't specify, so let's pretend it doesn't exist.

        Statement 2: these verses refer to and/or include apostates, because I say so.

        Statement 3: this Hadith doesn't say it, but as per my previous random deduction, we can assume and insert the conclusion and specify that the jew was at war.

        Bravo.

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        • #94
          Re: Question about the apostasy law

          Originally posted by hatche View Post
          Assalamualaikum, brother! :D

          You and Mikhaeel have done wonderful work! May Allah bless you two!

          As for Al-fatihah, that low-life scumbag can't refute you at all.
          I don't think it was appropriate to call him that.
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          • #95
            Re: Question about the apostasy law

            Sorry just to clarify what I said in my last post
            What I meant was there was no apostasy law in Makkah and in the early stages of madinah, just like there was no punishment for drinking alcohol (in fact it was allowed), and just like Hijab was not fard with some other things
            The ruling came later on, there was no actual abrogation, a new ruling was implemented that's all
            ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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            • #96
              Re: Question about the apostasy law

              I don't think it was appropriate to call him that.
              Just giving him a taste of some of his own medicine. :)

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              • #97
                Re: Question about the apostasy law

                Originally posted by abufulaans View Post
                Sorry just to clarify what I said in my last post
                What I meant was there was no apostasy law in Makkah and in the early stages of madinah, just like there was no punishment for drinking alcohol (in fact it was allowed), and just like Hijab was not fard with some other things
                The ruling came later on, there was no actual abrogation, a new ruling was implemented that's all
                My guess it was for social reasons. One bad apple can create more bad apples, so to speak.

                Furthermore, at that time there was Prophet(S) to explain the verses of Quran. So any sincere muslim could clear his doubts easily.

                Today we dont have that luxury.

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                • #98
                  Re: Question about the apostasy law

                  Originally posted by hatche View Post
                  Just giving him a taste of some of his own medicine. :)
                  According to hadith, if im not mistaken, insulting a muslim is mushrik.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Question about the apostasy law

                    Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                    According to hadith, if im not mistaken, insulting a muslim is mushrik.
                    Assalamualaikum! :D

                    No.

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                    • Re: Question about the apostasy law

                      Ikhwa i was not in the country for some while.
                      There is No doubt that harmful version of apostasy must be punished by death. Unfortunately there is no hardcore evidence from quran and sunnah that apostate who is not a threat to the scoeity must be killed for merely changing his/her religion. This freedom is giving to all humans. Allah swt says let him believe who wants to believe and disbelieve who wants to disbelieve.
                      Did Allah swt not say: will you then force people to believe??
                      Or how about prophet Muhammad pbuh knowing the hypocrites of madinah, why didnt he order sahaba to kill them because they embraced islam then left islam(through hypocrisy).

                      The sahaba ridwanullah aleyhim were so merciful that they gave the harmful apostate(who would join enemy army) three days to repent. Subhanallah! It would however be grave sin and great deviation from quran and sunnah if the sahaba killed peaceful apostates who form no danger to the ummah society & the state.



                      Imagine the Westerns/Asians killed reverts to islam because they left their ancestors religion.

                      Remember the words of Abu Bakr siddiq radiyallah anhu who said to the makkans: will you kill a man for saying My Lord is Allah? Then why should we kill a man or woman who is giving the freedom of religion from the Lord of the Worlds to believe or disbelieve.

                      Alhamdulilah the evidences in quran and sunnah about threatening form of apostasy is very clear, we cannot put that aside and give preference to a unclear hadith that is not clear at all and we do not know who reported that and his intentions of attributing such hadith to the holy prophet Muhammad pbuh. Because such unclear hadith diminishes the real message of quran and hadith.
                      Last edited by Patient_Muwahid; 25-08-15, 07:23 PM.

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