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  • #16
    Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

    Originally posted by Jannah2 View Post
    this is wrong bro; Allah does not literally ascend or descend in any way; these are metaphorical statements!; there are unfortunately two different aqeedahs out there competing with one another; one of them [that islamq&a site] gets it very very wrong in these matters
    I do not mention whether he does so literally or not just that he does so in a way that suits his majesty whatever way that is(only know to him alone) as he has said in the Quran. It is like asking me what did the King say? and i answer: The King has said what the King has said. I don't mention what the King has said or how he has said, just that he has said what he has said and left it at that.

    To not complicate things just remember that he is above his throne in a way that suits his majesty and descends in a way that suits his majesty, the same way that he see's all and hears all and knows all at one and the same time unlike his creation, and there is non-likened unto him. We will never completely understand it, we have a better chance at understanding quantum entanglement than this.

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    • #17
      Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

      Originally posted by thisissultan View Post
      I do not mention whether he does so literally or not just that he does so in a way that suits his majesty whatever way that is(only know to him alone) as he has said in the Quran. It is like asking me what did the King say? and i answer: The King has said what the King has said. I don't mention what the King has said or how he has said, just that he has said what he has said and left it at that.
      there are two ways to deal with this, one is your way but we must not entertain even a possibility of it being literal

      and 2, if people start going astray arguing that it is literal then we must assert that it is not literal

      the former way is the way of the salaf and the latter way is the way of the khalaf, i.e, when devient aqeedahs began to emerge it was necessary to interpret it in a way people understand that there is no remote possibility of it ever being literal

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      • #18
        Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

        Originally posted by thisissultan View Post
        I do not mention whether he does so literally or not just that he does so in a way that suits his majesty whatever way that is(only know to him alone) as he has said in the Quran. It is like asking me what did the King say? and i answer: The King has said what the King has said. I don't mention what the King has said or how he has said, just that he has said what he has said and left it at that.
        this is not quite right bro, but your nearly there

        the traditional way to understand this is to leave the entire meaning to Allah [swt] and not consider even a possibility of it being litteral; if you say 'he descends in a way only He knows', yet you are saying 'He descends' and descending is a coming down movement, and leaving the entire meaning of the words itself to ALlah is basically to consider the words metaphorical and only knows what He meant by them

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        • #19
          Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

          Originally posted by Abu Yusuff View Post
          there are two ways to deal with this, one is your way but we must not entertain even a possibility of it being literal

          and 2, if people start going astray arguing that it is literal then we must assert that it is not literal

          the former way is the way of the salaf and the latter way is the way of the khalaf, i.e, when devient aqeedahs began to emerge it was necessary to interpret it in a way people understand that there is no remote possibility of it ever being literal
          Yes the way i put it keeps you safe from entertaining a human-centric meaning and safe from assuming an incorrect figurative meaning, only he knows what he fully means when he says what he says about himself thus the phrase "In a way that suits his majesty", just as much as he see's in a way that suits his majesty, i.e nothing like what we know of or can compare to.

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          • #20
            Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

            Originally posted by logicalislam View Post
            In the name of Allah, the most beneficient the most merciful.

            I had a question that's been making me think, it is to do with the descending hadith. I would be grateful for anyone to clarify for me.

            Bukhari:
            1145( Abu Hurairah)
            “The Lord (Allah swt) descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the night remains and says: ‘Who will call upon Me, that I may answer Him? Who will ask of Me, that I may give him? Who will seek My forgiveness, that I may forgive him?’”

            Points of contention:

            1. If Allah swt created space and movement, why would he be subject to the very creation he himself created?
            2. If he created space , why would he himself be limited to a location in space and be able to move from area x to area y, was he also limited before creating it, and if he wasn't why then subject himself to limitations?
            3. Why would Allah swt require movement, when he is free of all need?
            4. Could he still be God and be limited by time and distance and space - attributes he himself created?
            Salamun 'Alaika

            May Allah gives HIS RAHMAT to you -

            Please read -

            http://bestoflights.blogspot.com/201...allah.html?m=1
            Exalted Allah The Mighty.

            May Allah give HIS RAHMAT to us all.

            http://bestoflights.blogspot.com

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            • #21
              Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

              My viewpoint will be Allah might take space since he has the mightiest beautiful throne.
              I am not sure where he is;
              Then again, the only thing u should know that he is watching all of ur(ummah community's) monkey business

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              • #22
                Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

                Originally posted by thisissultan View Post
                Yes the way i put it keeps you safe from entertaining a human-centric meaning and safe from assuming an incorrect figurative meaning, only he knows what he fully means when he says what he says about himself thus the phrase "In a way that suits his majesty", just as much as he see's in a way that suits his majesty, i.e nothing like what we know of or can compare to.
                MaashALlah that's right bro; remember; islamq&a is the literalist aqeedah!

                also although we cannot say for certain what Allah meant, yet even Imams like imam Ahmad agreed that if it is necessary to interpret these unclear words then it is ok, so once people start interpreting in a litteral way, it is ok to suggest meanings [but this is left to Scholars ofcourse] that makes it clear it is not a literal meaning, such as 'Allah decending' meaning Allah's rahma descending etc,

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                • #23
                  Re: A question about Allah swt ascending or descending

                  Originally posted by logicalislam View Post
                  What about those who say he literally has a shin, but not like our shin?

                  well that is only ok if one leaves the entire meaning of the 'how' to Allah i.e, consider any form of bodily part or anything we can imagine to not be that shin!, but this is the dangerous way to believe as it can easily lead many to think that it is a shin with a difference like that of an ant and elephant!

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