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  • #76
    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    Does him never nominating his own people to any important post's exclude him appointing Umar as his successor?.

    "And do not say of those who are slain in the way of Allah that they are dead. Instead, they are alive, but you perceive not." (2:154)

    Fine. Passed away from this life :)
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    • #77
      Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

      Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
      There's no but's or middle ground, did Abu Bakr appoint Umar as his successor, yes/no?.
      I don't see how what i said could be anymore clear.
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      • #78
        Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

        Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
        There's no but's or middle ground, did Abu Bakr appoint Umar as his successor, yes/no?.
        It boils down to Allah's Qadr. Do you believe in Allah's Qadr?
        Then accept it. If you do believe in Qadrullah
        "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

        "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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        • #79
          Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

          Originally posted by Bismil View Post
          That hadeeth is not about chastity , its about the surah tahrim .
          I know. But what his trying to do is find loopholes to claim she wasn't noble thereby ultimately trying to support what the shias say about A'isha.

          I agree with the surah tahrim incident. We all agree she was human just like every other sahabi, but it doesn't mean she's disliked by Allah.

          You get him quoting the verse where Allah warns the wives of Rasulullah about the double punishment. See through his facade.
          "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

          "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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          • #80
            Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

            Originally posted by Mikha’eel View Post
            It matters to them, they will until the day of Judgement, insist upon the idea that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman usurped the Khilafah from Ali, that they and the majority of sahaba that supported their Khilafah did nothing, inspite of supposedly having heard the Prophet :saw: affirm Ali as the next leader. The mere suggestion is an open slander against the honour of most of the sahaba,
            Its the opposite , majority did accept.

            The main point is that Abu Bakr & Umar did not benefit from the khilafat , material wise, so do not think there is any reason to usurp.

            There is a Hadeeth in baihaqi , which says that some people came to Ali and said to him to nominate Hassan as next khalifa , Ali said that since prophet did not nominate , he will not.

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            • #81
              Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

              Originally posted by Bismil View Post
              Its the opposite , majority did accept.

              The main point is that Abu Bakr & Umar did not benefit from the khilafat , material wise, so do not think there is any reason to usurp.

              There is a Hadeeth in baihaqi , which says that some people came to Ali and said to him to nominate Hassan as next khalifa , Ali said that since prophet did not nominate , he will not.
              If rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wassallam nominated then it would have been taken as compulsory that all Khalifas nominate. Hence rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wassallam kept that option open. It's not illegal to nominate.
              "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

              "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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              • #82
                Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
                There's no but's or middle ground, did Abu Bakr appoint Umar as his successor, yes/no?.
                Yes , he did .

                But , is that such a big sin ? Remember prophet did not nominate anyone , also did not tell how should one nominate a khalifa.

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                • #83
                  Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                  Originally posted by Mikha’eel View Post
                  And thank you for proving my point, you deem all those sahaba i mentioned as enemies of Ahlul Bayt. Too bad your own Imams did not agree with that, otherwise they would not be naming their children Abu Bakr, or Umar or Uthman.
                  The name's were not exclusive to your caliph's at the time. Umar, Uthman and Abu Bakr unlike today were common universally used name's in that era.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                    Originally posted by Bismil View Post
                    Its the opposite , majority did accept.

                    The main point is that Abu Bakr & Umar did not benefit from the khilafat , material wise, so do not think there is any reason to usurp.

                    There is a Hadeeth in baihaqi , which says that some people came to Ali and said to him to nominate Hassan as next khalifa , Ali said that since prophet did not nominate , he will not.
                    I mean they the shia accuse the majority of the sahaba of directly disobeying a direct command from Allah and his Messenger :saw: in appointing Ali Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu as the Caliph after his death. They don't have to directly, state it, it is implied from the accusation they make.
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                    • #85
                      Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                      Originally posted by candyapple View Post
                      I know. But what his trying to do is find loopholes to claim she wasn't noble thereby ultimately trying to support what the shias say about A'isha.

                      I agree with the surah tahrim incident. We all agree she was human just like every other sahabi, but it doesn't mean she's disliked by Allah.

                      You get him quoting the verse where Allah warns the wives of Rasulullah about the double punishment. See through his facade.
                      Allah ( swt ) warning was for them only , its confirmed by Umar ( ra ) in an authentic hadeeth. Aisha ( ra ) did make mistakes , though she regretted for them later on.

                      Still , I think she was extremely truthful , that is because what I have seen is that all those mistakes , she herself narrated most of them. She could have been silent about them , but still she narrated them , not easy thing to do.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                        Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
                        The name's were not exclusive to your caliph's at the time. Umar, Uthman and Abu Bakr unlike today were common universally used name's in that era.
                        For the umpteenth time; if you believe in Allah's qadr, you will accept their caliphate. End of.
                        "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

                        "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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                        • #87
                          Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                          Originally posted by Bismil View Post
                          Yes , he did .

                          But , is that such a big sin ? Remember prophet did not nominate anyone , also did not tell how should one nominate a khalifa.
                          Ahlul Sunnah believe that the caliph is elected by Muslims or their representatives. You believe that Abu Bakr was elected by the majority at Saqifa, however what contradicts your whole system is how Abu Bakr ended up appointing Umar as his successor.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                            Originally posted by Bismil View Post
                            Allah ( swt ) warning was for them only , its confirmed by Umar ( ra ) in an authentic hadeeth. Aisha ( ra ) did make mistakes , though she regretted for them later on.

                            Still , I think she was extremely truthful , that is because what I have seen is that all those mistakes , she herself narrated most of them. She could have been silent about them , but still she narrated them , not easy thing to do.
                            There is a hikmah from those mistakes she may have made for us women to learn from.

                            We are all humans, and she is the mother of the believers and I love her dearly.

                            And rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wassallam loved her dearly too.
                            "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

                            "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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                            • #89
                              Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                              Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
                              Ahlul Sunnah believe that the caliph is elected by Muslims or their representatives. You believe that Abu Bakr was elected by the majority at Saqifa, however what contradicts your whole system is how Abu Bakr ended up appointing Umar as his successor.
                              That option of nominating or appointing is kept open, either way is fine. You Shia's have issues with it not us.
                              "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

                              "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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                              • #90
                                Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                                Originally posted by candyapple View Post
                                For the umpteenth time; if you believe in Allah's qadr, you will accept their caliphate. End of.
                                Qadr Allah is part of your aqeedah not ours.

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