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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    Assalamualaikum,

    Because it is not part of Aqeedah. A Muslim is: Believe in Allah and Prophet Muhammad SAW, follow al-qur'an and Hadith. Their opinion about sahabah is not part of aqeedah Islam, because they Worship Allah and Follow Prophet Muhammad SAW. Even when their opinion about sahabah or Aishah RA is hurting me and you, they are still Muslim. Rosulullah said: Muslims are brother. That's why I call him brother.

    My opinion about Aishah RA is, she will enter jannah not because of she is Rosulullah's wife or mother of believers, I believe she will enter jannah because she is good Muslimah and Rosulullah teach her directly. I hope my opinion won't hurt anyone. :)

    Allahu alam.

    Allah has praised the sahaba in Quran, the Prophet :saw: has invoked the Curse of Allah upon those that abuse and speak ill of his companions and warned anyone from doing so.

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Originally posted by Bismil View Post
    Brother if speaking about these things is a sin , then why did the Muhaddith wrote them ? If they had not , we would have never known.
    Also , kindly read what I mentioned yesterday here , the sunnis will interpret it own way , shia will interpret in own way, we can never know , why exactly Umar ( Ra ) , did not give the pen.

    That is because No one asked him. Thus the reason would be unknown to us in this life , we can only see what he did , we cannot know why he did. Its better we do not assume things , and that is what I told @ Musa also .
    I'll repeat what i said before, no one has any right to criticize anything the sahaba did be that mistakes or sins, Allah has forgiven them.
    The incident is clear to those that have ilm, and it is a very obvious thing to understand if you know the life of the Prophet :saw: , and Umar and the relationship and the rules of this religion.

    Those that want to see it in some negative light will do so because of their emnity towards these sahaba.

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  • rahmat89
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    You call brother to a person that has slandered the mothers of the believers .
    Assalamualaikum,

    Because it is not part of Aqeedah. A Muslim is: Believe in Allah and Prophet Muhammad SAW, follow al-qur'an and Hadith. Their opinion about sahabah is not part of aqeedah Islam, because they Worship Allah and Follow Prophet Muhammad SAW. Even when their opinion about sahabah or Aishah RA is hurting me and you, they are still Muslim. Rosulullah said: Muslims are brother. That's why I call him brother.

    My opinion about Aishah RA is, she will enter jannah not because of she is Rosulullah's wife or mother of believers, I believe she will enter jannah because she is good Muslimah and Rosulullah teach her directly. I hope my opinion won't hurt anyone. :)

    Allahu alam.

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  • Bismil
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    Originally posted by Mikha’eel View Post
    I've never said they didn't make mistakes or commit sins, difference is we have no business speaking about or criticizing said mistakes in any way at all, because they are the sahaba and Allah has already forgiven them.

    if you want to know the truth read this:

    http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Umar...b-Volume-1.pdf

    Specifically page 136 i believe, or look for the section about Umar and the illness of the Prophet :saw: , the Ulema have already dealt with this matter.
    Brother if speaking about these things is a sin , then why did the Muhaddith wrote them ? If they had not , we would have never known.
    Also , kindly read what I mentioned yesterday here , the sunnis will interpret it own way , shia will interpret in own way, we can never know , why exactly Umar ( Ra ) , did not give the pen.

    That is because No one asked him. Thus the reason would be unknown to us in this life , we can only see what he did , we cannot know why he did. Its better we do not assume things , and that is what I told @ Musa also .

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquillity on them and rewarded them with a near victory.
    Sura Al-Fath, Ayah 18

    All of those that took part were believers as per what Allah has said,m with the only exception being 1 munafiq that was among them that did not pledge bayah under the tree, and for Uthman Ibn Affan, the Prophet :saw: used his own hand in his place to pledge for him.

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    So when one companion goes to war with another companion what are you supposed to do ?. Curse them both ? Praise them both ? Side with the just one ? What ?.

    I just don't carry the belief that every companion is of equal importance.

    It doesn't matter what you believe becauyse Allah has already said this:

    “Rather, the Prophet and those who believe with him fought with their property and their lives for these are all good things, they are the successful ones and Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow to dwell therein forever and that is the great success” [ (9): 88-89]

    “And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun and Ansar and all those who followed them exactly (in faith). Allah is well pleased with them and they are pleased with Him and Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow to dwell therein forever and that is the great success.” [Soorah at-Tawbah (9): 100]

    Allah has already forgiven the Prophet and the Muhajireen and the Ansar who followed him in the hour of difficulty after the hearts of a party of them had almost inclined [to doubt], and then He forgave them. Indeed, He was to them Kind and Merciful.
    [9-117]

    Hour of difficulty referring to the expedition of Tabuk.

    They are the sahaba, if they went to war with 1 another, that will be between them, and both are still believers, just as the verse that states

    And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
    [49:9]

    And per what the Prophet :saw: said regarding Al-Hasan [May Allah be pleased with him] to paraphrase, "this son of mine is a leader, and perhaps Allah will unite 2 parties of believers through him] which was referring to him giving up the Khilafah to Muawiyah [May Allah be pleased with him] ( even though he was more entitled to it) which brought p[eace and unity in the ummah once more.


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  • Mikha’eel
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    Originally posted by Bismil View Post
    What can I say anything more , if something is crystal clear you will not believe it.

    If my comments are wrong or I have misquoted something , mention it here.

    You yourself said that no companion is infalliable , yet you refuse to believe that they made mistakes.

    You say Umar was not wrong here , can you kindly tell me where was he wrong , if not here ?

    I've never said they didn't make mistakes or commit sins, difference is we have no business speaking about or criticizing said mistakes in any way at all, because they are the sahaba and Allah has already forgiven them.

    if you want to know the truth read this:

    http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Umar...b-Volume-1.pdf

    Specifically page 136 i believe, or look for the section about Umar and the illness of the Prophet :saw: , the Ulema have already dealt with this matter.

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  • Bismil
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    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    We dislike him because he was one of the generals for aisha during the battle of jamal.
    mate , Talha ( ra ) moved away from the battle , when he remembered what prophet had said , that Ali was right , he was killed by Marwan. You cannot blame him for that kind of mistake. You need to look into full history of events.

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    We dislike him because he was one of the generals for aisha during the battle of jamal.

    The simple fact is, Shia want to think evil of the sahaba in that incident, where as we know they are absolved of any wrong doing. It was those that murdered Uthman, that started the fighting between the 2 armies, after they had already decide the night before they would side with Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]. These are the facts. I do not see how any one can call into questions the actions of a man that used his own body to protect the Prophet :saw:, and had his hand paralyzed in the process.

    Neither Aisha, Talha or Zubayr [May Allah be pleased with them] or anyone else in that army, went out with the purpose of opposing Ali let alone going to war against him. The statements of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr all know this, and when Talha and Zubayr were martyred, he wept profusely over them and gave glad tidings of Jahhanum to the murderer of Zubayr.

    I can't understand the mentality of people wan tto think the worst of everything the sahaba did, when Allah has praised them in Quran.


    “And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun and Ansar and all those who followed them exactly (in faith). Allah is well pleased with them and they are pleased with Him and Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow to dwell therein forever and that is the great success.” [Soorah at-Tawbah (9): 100]

    Abi Burda reports from his father: “… He (Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) raised his head toward the heavens and said: "The stars are the protection for the sky - when the stars have gone, that which has been forewarned will come to the sky. I am the protection for my Companions (radiallahu anhu) - when I have gone, that which has been forewarned will come to my companions. My Companions are the protection for this Ummah - when they have gone, that which has been forewarned will come to this Ummah." [Saheeh Muslim


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  • Bismil
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    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    God bless you, you're open minded.
    I respect the companions , but that does not mean I will say wrong thing is also correct. The hadeeth is crystal clear . If we disregard hadeeth like this , it will hurt islam.

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  • Bismil
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Mikha’eel View Post
    It is not me that needs to read anything again. I've read what Ulema such as Imam An-Nawawi have said regarding what Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] did, and not a single 1 said anything negative regarding him, they explained his actions and put it into context of the relationship he had with the Prophet :saw: ,

    Get your facts straight before you comment on such matters.

    What can I say anything more , if something is crystal clear you will not believe it.

    If my comments are wrong or I have misquoted something , mention it here.

    You yourself said that no companion is infalliable , yet you refuse to believe that they made mistakes.

    You say Umar was not wrong here , can you kindly tell me where was he wrong , if not here ?

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  • Musa Sadr
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    Originally posted by candyapple View Post
    He protected rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wassallam

    #team Rasulullah contains all of his companions in it.

    Read the hadith I quoted of abusing companions
    So when one companion goes to war with another companion what are you supposed to do ?. Curse them both ? Praise them both ? Side with the just one ? What ?.

    I just don't carry the belief that every companion is of equal importance.

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  • candyapple
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    We dislike him because he was one of the generals for aisha during the battle of jamal.
    He protected rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wassallam

    #team Rasulullah contains all of his companions in it.

    Read the hadith I quoted of abusing companions

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  • Musa Sadr
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    Originally posted by Bismil View Post
    He did not do wrong ? I cannot believe this , are you serious ? Please read the Hadeeth again , its mentioned quite a few times . Do not read from online sites any hadeeth , download the books , yesterday I noticed one famous site completely ignored one hadeeth , I was doing important work , had to download the whole volume. There I found that.
    God bless you, you're open minded.

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  • Musa Sadr
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    Originally posted by candyapple View Post
    Narrated by Qais bin Abi Hazim

    I saw Talha's paralyzed hand with which he had protected the Prophet (from an arrow).
    We dislike him because he was one of the generals for aisha during the battle of jamal.

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