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  • Originally posted by arif123f View Post
    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    My answer is: There is no sect in Al-Qur'an. Only Muslim. If scholar have different opinion we should back to al-qur'an. I've mention hadith before: only 1 sect going to jannah and 72 going to hell fire. Which one? I am sure the right one is the Muslim that mentioned in al-qur'an. Even Sunni Muslim divide in 2 major groups here: Muhammadiyah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammadiyah) and Nahdatul Ulama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahdlatul_Ulama). Many more in different parts of the world. Which one the right one and enter jannah? Muhammadiyah with 29 Million Muslim (sunni)? or Nahdathul Ulama with 30 Million Muslim (sunni) or yours or none of us?. They are different in many things. If none of them right, are they going to hell fire? Million of us worship Allah, fear Allah, hoping enter jannah, practicing Islam with their heart and not just know and discuss it. Are they going to hell fire?

    My opinion about it is, if someone worship Allah and follow Prophet Muhammad SAW, they are Muslim and enter jannah. Whoever scholar they follows, whoever Imam Fiqh they follow, as long as they try to interpreting Al-Qur'an and Hadith with fear to Allah they will enter Jannah.


    If you learned history of how Islam come in Indonesia. They spread Islam with discussion not war like most Muslim country. And here in Indonesia there are 200 Million Muslims, most populated Muslim in the world. May I know where you come from? Respect other opinion is important brother, even in the way of practicing salah there are 4 opinions. I repeat 4 opinions of Imam. Different way of interpreting Al-Qur'an and hadith create 4 opinions. Which one is right? Which one is correct? If a Muslim can't respect other Muslim opinion the enemy of Islam will easily destroy Islam. If you think your opinion or your scholar's opinion better than Scholar and Ulama in Indonesia and call them pathetic I will say: We will know some day, in the end of time.

    Why Shiah and Sunni can live peacefully side by side for century? Why Shiah and Sunni fights now? Sunni is not 100% good people, there are lot bad Sunni. You know about Shiah, in your opinion all bad someone said they munafiq or even kufr. But my opinion is: not all bad, I believe some Shiah are Muslim.

    I choose to be Muslim not Sunni or Shiah because I believe everyone can be a Muslim whoever scholar they follow as long as the scholar or Imam or Ulama fear Allah when interpreting Al-qur'an and hadith or make fatwa about someting. Allahu Alam.
    Please don't divert the topic those two groups are both sunni(shafi), they're just an organization. Yes I know Islam spread in indonesia through arab traders. But you can't say there were no battles at all, they had to fought with the neighboring hindu and buddhist kingdoms to establish the powerful sultanate of Malacca.

    And I showed you how to misquoted the ulemas of indonesia and now you're putting against them? hilarious.

    • And here in Indonesia there are 200 Million Muslims, most populated Muslim in the world. May I know where you come from? Respect other opinion is important brother, even in the way of practicing salah there are 4 opinions. I repeat 4 opinions of Imam. Different way of interpreting Al-Qur'an and hadith create 4 opinions. Which one is right? Which one is correct? If a Muslim can't respect other Muslim opinion the enemy of Islam will easily destroy Islam. If you think your opinion or your scholar's opinion better than Scholar and Ulama in Indonesia and call them pathetic I will say: We will know some day, in the end of time.

    Again, why are you diverting the topic and evading my points? DId I bring madhab here? why are you intermixing madhab with rafidhism? You are clearly trying to use the name of Indonesian ulemas to prove your agenda where I showed what they said is absolutely contradicts your claim.

    And you're not sunni or shiah, it's your matter, but most Indonesians are sunni and they will hate any other deviant sects that are being penetrated into their society. So, goodbye.
    Masya Allah.. Allah will punish me if I have agenda, but Allah will punish you If you think or assume so. Fitnah! You win.. congratulation.. I have explained to you. some people understand me but unfortunately you don't. I am a Muslim. Allah know it!

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    • Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

      Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
      Masya Allah.. Allah will punish me if I have agenda, but Allah will punish you If you think or assume so. Fitnah! You win.. congratulation.. I have explained to you. some people understand me but unfortunately you don't. I am a Muslim. Allah know it!
      Same to me. Allah will punish you if you are working for those rafidhis and deviating muslims and trying to create fitnah, and Allah will punish me if I'm wrong. When I stated the proof or points you just diverted that and now saying this and that. Subhanallah, you just opened a new type of hypocrisy in front of me.

      May Allah save us all. Ameen.

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      • Originally posted by arif123f View Post
        Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
        My answer is: There is no sect in Al-Qur'an. Only Muslim. If scholar have different opinion we should back to al-qur'an. I've mention hadith before: only 1 sect going to jannah and 72 going to hell fire. Which one? I am sure the right one is the Muslim that mentioned in al-qur'an. Even Sunni Muslim divide in 2 major groups here: Muhammadiyah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammadiyah) and Nahdatul Ulama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahdlatul_Ulama). Many more in different parts of the world. Which one the right one and enter jannah? Muhammadiyah with 29 Million Muslim (sunni)? or Nahdathul Ulama with 30 Million Muslim (sunni) or yours or none of us?. They are different in many things. If none of them right, are they going to hell fire? Million of us worship Allah, fear Allah, hoping enter jannah, practicing Islam with their heart and not just know and discuss it. Are they going to hell fire?

        My opinion about it is, if someone worship Allah and follow Prophet Muhammad SAW, they are Muslim and enter jannah. Whoever scholar they follows, whoever Imam Fiqh they follow, as long as they try to interpreting Al-Qur'an and Hadith with fear to Allah they will enter Jannah.


        If you learned history of how Islam come in Indonesia. They spread Islam with discussion not war like most Muslim country. And here in Indonesia there are 200 Million Muslims, most populated Muslim in the world. May I know where you come from? Respect other opinion is important brother, even in the way of practicing salah there are 4 opinions. I repeat 4 opinions of Imam. Different way of interpreting Al-Qur'an and hadith create 4 opinions. Which one is right? Which one is correct? If a Muslim can't respect other Muslim opinion the enemy of Islam will easily destroy Islam. If you think your opinion or your scholar's opinion better than Scholar and Ulama in Indonesia and call them pathetic I will say: We will know some day, in the end of time.

        Why Shiah and Sunni can live peacefully side by side for century? Why Shiah and Sunni fights now? Sunni is not 100% good people, there are lot bad Sunni. You know about Shiah, in your opinion all bad someone said they munafiq or even kufr. But my opinion is: not all bad, I believe some Shiah are Muslim.

        I choose to be Muslim not Sunni or Shiah because I believe everyone can be a Muslim whoever scholar they follow as long as the scholar or Imam or Ulama fear Allah when interpreting Al-qur'an and hadith or make fatwa about someting. Allahu Alam.
        Please don't divert the topic those two groups are both sunni(shafi), they're just an organization. Yes I know Islam spread in indonesia through arab traders. But you can't say there were no battles at all, they had to fought with the neighboring hindu and buddhist kingdoms to establish the powerful sultanate of Malacca.

        And I showed you how to misquoted the ulemas of indonesia and now you're putting against them? hilarious.

        • And here in Indonesia there are 200 Million Muslims, most populated Muslim in the world. May I know where you come from? Respect other opinion is important brother, even in the way of practicing salah there are 4 opinions. I repeat 4 opinions of Imam. Different way of interpreting Al-Qur'an and hadith create 4 opinions. Which one is right? Which one is correct? If a Muslim can't respect other Muslim opinion the enemy of Islam will easily destroy Islam. If you think your opinion or your scholar's opinion better than Scholar and Ulama in Indonesia and call them pathetic I will say: We will know some day, in the end of time.

        Again, why are you diverting the topic and evading my points? DId I bring madhab here? why are you intermixing madhab with rafidhism? You are clearly trying to use the name of Indonesian ulemas to prove your agenda where I showed what they said is absolutely contradicts your claim.

        And you're not sunni or shiah, it's your matter, but most Indonesians are sunni and they will hate any other deviant sects that are being penetrated into their society. So, goodbye.
        Why don't you asked you sundanesse friends about majlis ulama Indonesia opinion about Shiah? Not all shiah bad, sunni and shiah leave peacefully for century. Allah will punish me if I have agenda just like you said but Allah will punish you if you spread fitnah!

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        • Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

          Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
          Why don't you asked you sundanesse friends about majlis ulama Indonesia opinion about Shiah? Not all shiah bad, sunni and shiah leave peacefully for century. Allah will punish me if I have agenda just like you said but Allah will punish you if you spread fitnah!
          Yes most of them are follower of majlis ulema and they share the fatwas issued by the organization, and I also sometimes follow their fatwas specially in shafi matters.. I never saw any fatwas as your claim, rather as I said earlier the ulemas clearly stated how deviant rafidhism is and what will it do if not stopped in time. And same to the last part, Allah will punish you if you are working fort he rafidhis and Allah will punish me if I'm not fighting deviant believes.

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          • I said amin to your dua.

            I am not spread fitnah just like you said.
            Let's make dua if you are right.

            Oh, I Allah please punish rahmat if he have agenda to devide ummah or bad intention to your dien and please punish Arif or man behind that name if he spread fitnah to rahmat and call him traitor to your dien. Amin ya rabbal alamin.. said amin if you are right.

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            • Originally posted by arif123f View Post
              Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
              Why don't you asked you sundanesse friends about majlis ulama Indonesia opinion about Shiah? Not all shiah bad, sunni and shiah leave peacefully for century. Allah will punish me if I have agenda just like you said but Allah will punish you if you spread fitnah!
              Yes most of them are follower of majlis ulema and they share the fatwas issued by the organization, and I also sometimes follow their fatwas specially in shafi matters.. I never saw any fatwas as your claim, rather as I said earlier the ulemas clearly stated how deviant rafidhism is and what will it do if not stopped in time. And same to the last part, Allah will punish you if you are working fort he rafidhis and Allah will punish me if I'm not fighting deviant believes.
              I said amin to your dua.

              I am not spread fitnah just like you said.
              Let's make dua if you are right.

              Oh, I Allah please punish rahmat if he have agenda to devide ummah or bad intention to your dien and please punish Arif or man behind that name if he spread fitnah to rahmat and call him traitor to your dien. Amin ya rabbal alamin.. said amin if you are right!

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              • Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

                Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
                Oh, I Allah please punish rahmat if he have agenda to devide ummah or bad intention to your dien and please punish Arif or man behind that name if he spread fitnah to rahmat and call him traitor to your dien. Amin ya rabbal alamin.. said amin if you are right!
                May Allah punish rahmat or the man behind if he's spreading and defending kufr aqeedah and spreading fitnah and punish arif if he's not fighting kufr and deviant beleifes or spreading fitnah. Ameen ya rabbal alamin. Ameen.

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                • Originally posted by arif123f View Post
                  Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
                  Oh, I Allah please punish rahmat if he have agenda to devide ummah or bad intention to your dien and please punish Arif or man behind that name if he spread fitnah to rahmat and call him traitor to your dien. Amin ya rabbal alamin.. said amin if you are right!
                  May Allah punish rahmat or the man behind if he's spreading and defending kufr aqeedah and spreading fitnah and punish arif if he's not fighting kufr and deviant beleifes or spreading fitnah. Ameen ya rabbal alamin. Ameen.
                  amin..

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