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  • rahmat89
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    Originally posted by arif123f View Post
    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    okay. you will see which one is rubbish in the end of time.
    Rafidhism will fade away and ahlush sunnah will be at it's place, so now worries. :D Many kufr sects came and gone, who really cares?


    I submit my will to allah anyway I said Allah know the best and I told you my opinion.
    Same to me, but I pray that May Allah save us from all sorts of false ideologies or opinions and expose the deviancy behind them. Ameen.
    Assalamualaikum.
    amin ya rabbal alamin. which one of my opinion is a rubish brother? I said Not all Shiah is bad or kafir because Majlis Ulama Indonesia said so.
    Just point it out so we can discuss it :) thank you.

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  • rahmat89
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    masya allah. it is fitnah. I don't try to be nice. I give you my opinion nicely and hope you answer my opinion nicely so we can discuss to find the truth, I will change my opinion if in the end of this discussion I agree with you, or just disagree, not debate to find the winner.

    It is Muslim Forum which mean I am here as a Muslim represnesting Islam right?

    You can see my posts I never use strong words to Muslims. Allah knows what in my heart, If I riya I commited sin but If I don't Riya you the one who spread fitnah.

    If you don't know the answer or disagree just say it. I respect other muslim opinion. Even me and my sister disagree about this subject but I respect her opinion and she respect my opinion. And I said to her: Okay we are different. That's it.

    allahu alam.

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  • arif123f
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    okay. you will see which one is rubbish in the end of time.
    Rafidhism will fade away and ahlush sunnah will be at it's place, so now worries. :D Many kufr sects came and gone, who really cares?


    I submit my will to allah anyway I said Allah know the best and I told you my opinion.
    Same to me, but I pray that May Allah save us from all sorts of false ideologies or opinions and expose the deviancy behind them. Ameen.

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  • rahmat89
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    Originally posted by arif123f View Post
    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    Alhamdulillah, A muslim is: someone who submit his will to allah. I know some shiah like to cut their body, worsip Ali Ra. Naudzubillah etc. I believe they are the bad one. But I know some Shiah who submit his will to Allah, fear allah and follow hadits. (not bukhari and muslim).

    It is not about fiqh but aqeedah brother. If they submit their will to allah and follow Prophet Muhammad Saw they are my brother. Who ever they are, Sunni, Shiah, Mazhab Hambali, Maliki, etc.

    Honestly, I don't know I am shiah or Sunni after I am 19. Most Indonesian Muslim will confuse if you ask "are you sunni or shiah?". Mostly will answer I am a Muslim, I am not shiah or Sunni.

    I am a Muslim not shiah or Sunni I follow Imam Shafi'i a (imam) scholar of Islam and most Muslim consider I am Sunni. But deep in my heart I am a Muslim not shiah or Sunny because there is no sects in Al-qur'an.

    It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

    Which sects is the right one? wich Mazhab? Sunni? Shiah? Hambali? Maliki? Shafi'i?
    I am sure the answer is: Someone who submit his will to Allah and follow Rasullullah SAW.

    We even don't know how rosulullah shalah exactly. (fiqh) If I know I won't follow Imam Shafi'i but follow Rosulullah. If scholars (sunni, shiah, hambali, maliki, etc) has different opinion it is okay as long as they still submit his will to allah and follow prophet Muhammad SAw because they are muslim. :)

    The big question in my head is: why the op didn't show up after he started this thread?

    Allahu Alam. Allah know the best, I only a stupid man who afraid Allah and hoping enter Jannah. :)
    You can take this rubbish elsewhere. And don't speak the facts and beleives you have no idea of.
    okay. you will see which one is rubbish in the end of time. I submit my will to allah anyway I said Allah know the best and I told you my opinion.

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  • arif123f
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    At first the rafidhis who came to this forum likes to be very gentleman. But time goes, they turn into the greatest devil that is yet to be seen. We should watch out, how we are turning away from the fiqh of ahlus sunnah and quoting and supporting fabricated rafidhi narrations, claims and insultings foolishly.

    May Allah save us. Ameen.

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  • arif123f
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    Alhamdulillah, A muslim is: someone who submit his will to allah. I know some shiah like to cut their body, worsip Ali Ra. Naudzubillah etc. I believe they are the bad one. But I know some Shiah who submit his will to Allah, fear allah and follow hadits. (not bukhari and muslim).

    It is not about fiqh but aqeedah brother. If they submit their will to allah and follow Prophet Muhammad Saw they are my brother. Who ever they are, Sunni, Shiah, Mazhab Hambali, Maliki, etc.

    Honestly, I don't know I am shiah or Sunni after I am 19. Most Indonesian Muslim will confuse if you ask "are you sunni or shiah?". Mostly will answer I am a Muslim, I am not shiah or Sunni.

    I am a Muslim not shiah or Sunni I follow Imam Shafi'i a (imam) scholar of Islam and most Muslim consider I am Sunni. But deep in my heart I am a Muslim not shiah or Sunny because there is no sects in Al-qur'an.

    It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

    Which sects is the right one? wich Mazhab? Sunni? Shiah? Hambali? Maliki? Shafi'i?
    I am sure the answer is: Someone who submit his will to Allah and follow Rasullullah SAW.

    We even don't know how rosulullah shalah exactly. (fiqh) If I know I won't follow Imam Shafi'i but follow Rosulullah. If scholars (sunni, shiah, hambali, maliki, etc) has different opinion it is okay as long as they still submit his will to allah and follow prophet Muhammad SAw because they are muslim. :)

    The big question in my head is: why the op didn't show up after he started this thread?

    Allahu Alam. Allah know the best, I only a stupid man who afraid Allah and hoping enter Jannah. :)
    You can take this rubbish elsewhere. And don't speak the facts and beleives you have no idea of.

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  • Foodadad
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by rahmat89 View Post
    Alhamdulillah, A muslim is: someone who submit his will to allah. I know some shiah like to cut their body, worsip Ali Ra. Naudzubillah etc. I believe they are the bad one. But I know some Shiah who submit his will to Allah, fear allah and follow hadits. (not bukhari and muslim).

    It is not about fiqh but aqeedah brother. If they submit their will to allah and follow Prophet Muhammad Saw they are my brother. Who ever they are, Sunni, Shiah, Mazhab Hambali, Maliki, etc.

    Honestly, I don't know I am shiah or Sunni after I am 19. Most Indonesian Muslim will confuse if you ask "are you sunni or shiah?". Mostly will answer I am a Muslim, I am not shiah or Sunni.

    I am a Muslim not shiah or Sunni I follow Imam Shafi'i a (imam) scholar of Islam and most Muslim consider I am Sunni. But deep in my heart I am a Muslim not shiah or Sunny because there is no sects in Al-qur'an.

    It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

    Which sects is the right one? wich Mazhab? Sunni? Shiah? Hambali? Maliki? Shafi'i?
    I am sure the answer is: Someone who submit his will to Allah and follow Rasullullah SAW.

    We even don't know how rosulullah shalah exactly. (fiqh) If I know I won't follow Imam Shafi'i but follow Rosulullah. If scholars (sunni, shiah, hambali, maliki, etc) has different opinion it is okay as long as they still submit his will to allah and follow prophet Muhammad SAw because they are muslim. :)

    The big question in my head is: why the op didn't show up after he started this thread?

    Allahu Alam. Allah know the best, I only a stupid man who afraid Allah and hoping enter Jannah. :)
    You can either waste time trying to feel or appear nice and accommodatng, or you can call out falsehood when you see it, as you should. The split themselves off of their own will, and do not follow Rasul Allah :saw:. You are just going off on feel-good tangents to make me some kind of raving bigot, and you the wise acceptor of all.

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  • candyapple
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    Do you know what a translation is ?. This is a translation ;


    Narrated 'Aisha: Fatima and Al 'Abbas came to Abu Bakr, seeking their share from the property of Allah's Apostle and at that time, they were asking for their land at Fadak and their share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them, " I have heard from Allah's Apostle saying, 'Our property cannot be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity, but the family of Muhammad may take their provisions from this property." Abu Bakr added, "By Allah, I will not leave the procedure I saw Allah's Apostle following during his lifetime concerning this property." Therefore Fatima left Abu Bakr and did not speak to him till she died.

    And that's the correct translation without any distortions, look it up yourself , Sahih Bukhari book 88 Hadith 718. Or do you only accept your own hadiths when they suit you.
    I'll give you the link shia, make sure you read it.

    http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/20...tions.html?m=1

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  • Musa Sadr
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by candyapple View Post
    What do you THINK happened to Fatima? Was she thrown out on the streets???

    SHE KNEW she would be the first to die in the prophets' family after the prophet, FACT


    Do you think she was THAT worried about obtaining fadak for a few weeks? No.

    And the bukhari translation you give, you missed out this bit here: and she didn't talk to abu bakr [INSERT MISSING BIT= ON THAT TOPIC] Til she died.

    So make sure you include the bits you guys miss out in translation.


    Musa ahmed: Narrated Abu Tufail (RA), when the Messenger of Allah -on him be the peace and blessings of Allah- died, Fatimah sent a message to Abu Bakr; 'Are you the heir of the Messenger of Allah or his family? He said: 'His family.' She said, 'So where is the share of the Messenger of Allah -peace and blessings of Allah be upon him?' Abu Bakr said: "I have heard the Messenger of Allah (saaw) saying, 'Verily when Almighty Allah feeds the Prophet (i.e. provides a source for sustenance for him) and then causes him to die, it is for his successors to manage it after him.' Therefore I wish to distribute it among Muslims." She said, 'You are more knowledgeable of what you have heard from the Messenger of Allah."


    So try and scratdeeper than the surface, oh shia. U will see the truth staring u in the face.

    And rest assured, Allah is sufficient to feed His servants.
    Do you know what a translation is ?. This is a translation ;


    Narrated 'Aisha: Fatima and Al 'Abbas came to Abu Bakr, seeking their share from the property of Allah's Apostle and at that time, they were asking for their land at Fadak and their share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them, " I have heard from Allah's Apostle saying, 'Our property cannot be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity, but the family of Muhammad may take their provisions from this property." Abu Bakr added, "By Allah, I will not leave the procedure I saw Allah's Apostle following during his lifetime concerning this property." Therefore Fatima left Abu Bakr and did not speak to him till she died.

    And that's the correct translation without any distortions, look it up yourself , Sahih Bukhari book 88 Hadith 718. Or do you only accept your own hadiths when they suit you.

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  • candyapple
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    I love the wife's of the prophet dearly except for the unjust ones , Hafsa and Aisha due to their many errors and disrespect to the prophet and ahlulbayt .
    Save it. Judgement day is close. You try and deceive Allah on that day, will see how that works our for ya.

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Bismil View Post
    There is no reason to be stubborn.

    It was a mistake on two or three counts by Umar ( Ra ).

    A muslim respects the companions , does not worship them . They were not some demi gods.

    But you should also think about this with open and free mind. You belief they usurped the khilafat , but what did they gain by that ? You can see shia and sunni or even neutral literature and see , that Abu Bakr & Umar lived a very subdued life , without any luxury , also understand that the important thing is that during there khilafat people were free to question there decisions and they never put people down by force , they recognized the difference of opinion. Unlike banu ummayah rulers , where no one dare question the rulers.

    You may dislike them because of your methodology , but disliking does not mean that you completely disregard the good qualities or good things done by them .
    I have to say this yet again, Fear Allah in how you speak about him. The Ulema have explained this incident and not one accused him of making any mistake.

    I'll post it later on when I'm on the computer.

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  • Musa Sadr
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by candyapple View Post
    Excuse me, again distortingthe truth.

    Fatima spoke to abu bakr before she died.

    Or are you saying Ali was incapable of defending his wife and siding with the Khalifas cause...?

    Does it make any sense at all?

    Prophets don't inherit. It's most likely she wasn't around to hear it cause she was too busy in married life.

    And you quote a Quranic verse and try and make it sound they went good enough to be his alaihe salam ' wives.
    Wrong.

    They were human, correct. But they are the mother of the believers and I can quote you many a hadith rendering you kufr for trying to tarnish the reputation of A'isha.

    And believe you me, I call you on your bluff. Always.
    I love the wife's of the prophet dearly except for the unjust ones , Hafsa and Aisha due to their many errors and disrespect to the prophet and ahlulbayt .

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  • candyapple
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    حَتَّى مَاتَتْ

    What do you THINK happened to Fatima? Was she thrown out on the streets???

    SHE KNEW she would be the first to die in the prophets' family after the prophet, FACT


    Do you think she was THAT worried about obtaining fadak for a few weeks? No.

    And the bukhari translation you give, you missed out this bit here: and she didn't talk to abu bakr [INSERT MISSING BIT= ON THAT TOPIC] Til she died.

    So make sure you include the bits you guys miss out in translation.


    Musa ahmed: Narrated Abu Tufail (RA), when the Messenger of Allah -on him be the peace and blessings of Allah- died, Fatimah sent a message to Abu Bakr; 'Are you the heir of the Messenger of Allah or his family? He said: 'His family.' She said, 'So where is the share of the Messenger of Allah -peace and blessings of Allah be upon him?' Abu Bakr said: "I have heard the Messenger of Allah (saaw) saying, 'Verily when Almighty Allah feeds the Prophet (i.e. provides a source for sustenance for him) and then causes him to die, it is for his successors to manage it after him.' Therefore I wish to distribute it among Muslims." She said, 'You are more knowledgeable of what you have heard from the Messenger of Allah."


    So try and scratdeeper than the surface, oh shia. U will see the truth staring u in the face.

    And rest assured, Allah is sufficient to feed His servants.

    Leave a comment:


  • Musa Sadr
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by candyapple View Post
    Excuse me, again distortingthe truth.

    Fatima spoke to abu bakr before she died.

    Or are you saying Ali was incapable of defending his wife and siding with the Khalifas cause...?

    Does it make any sense at all?

    Prophets don't inherit. It's most likely she wasn't around to hear it cause she was too busy in married life.

    And you quote a Quranic verse and try and make it sound they went good enough to be his alaihe salam ' wives.
    Wrong.

    They were human, correct. But they are the mother of the believers and I can quote you many a hadith rendering you kufr for trying to tarnish the reputation of A'isha.

    And believe you me, I call you on your bluff. Always.
    حَتَّى مَاتَتْ

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  • candyapple
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    Re: Shi'ite VS sunni Islam

    Originally posted by Musa Sadr View Post
    Isis just resemble the people they follow , they're Sunnis but just the extreme variant of it.
    Oh really then I guess you appreciate Khomeini's fatwa on thighing children? He himself was involved in the act.

    By the way, majority of sunni scholars call the isis khawarij.

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