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  • What is Islamic Democracy?

    Does it count as Islamic governance by the sharia and how is it different to secular democracy?

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    What is Islamic Democracy?

    A system of governance with an elected group of peoples representatives where the limits of shari'ah are observed and can never be overridden.
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      Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

      No it doesn't count as islamic governance. Democracy as a concept and ruling system has its origins in kufr and is based on kufr. Prophet Muhammad (saw) only ruled the people by establishing the Khilafah state and implementing the shariah upon them in totality. Democracy puts what laws to choose to a vote and as democracy stands on pillars of other kufr concepts such as freedom of expression (eg what was published by charlie hebdo), free market policies that also permit the sale of alcohol and gambling etc the list of unislamic bases used upon which democracy stands should be enough to realise that it is completely different and incompatible with the implementation of Islam. What has happened in a few Muslim countries like Saudi is that they pick a few Islamic punishments to implement and say that they are implementing shariah when in fact they're not. Or you get countries like Pakistan that claim to be 'Islamic republic' just cos' they misapply some blasphemy laws but at the same time choose to vote for leaders who allow kufaar troops to set up bases in Muslim lands to bomb other Muslims both in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

      What has happened is that the Ummah has lost the true Islamic leadership and ruling system for almost a hundred years, so people are so out of touch with the idea of what an Islamic ruling system is supposed to consist of and are so defeatist assuming it's too hard to make it a reality, that instead they seek a 'compromise solution' in which they implement a bit of islam and a bit of kufr and call it 'islamic democracy'- implement a handful of islamic rules to keep the religious lot happy and let the rest of the laws be based on kufr to keep the real leaders in the white house etc happy. There is no such thing as islamic democracy; there is either democracy or there is islam and anyone trying to reconcile the two is deceiving the ummah into compromising a chunk of islamic values.
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        Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

        sounds like halal alcohol
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          Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

          Originally posted by hadmatter View Post
          sounds like halal alcohol
          ^ it's a paradox, they cannot coexist

          neelu explained it perfectly
          If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
          “Whoever turns away from my Sunnah has nothing to do with me.” (al-Bukhaari)

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            Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

            Originally posted by Uthman Ibn Afan View Post
            A system of governance with an elected group of peoples representatives where the limits of shari'ah are observed and can never be overridden.
            I understand your point from that perspective. But democracy isn't limited to electing leaders (which is not always the case under democracy either). It's a set of man-made laws designed to govern society. It contradicts Islam which derives rules from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
            ~‘And He will provide him from (sources) he could never imagine. And whoever puts their trust in Allah, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allah will accomplish His purpose. Indeed, Allah has set a measure for all things.’~ - سورة الطلاق : 3

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            • #7
              Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

              Originally posted by neelu View Post
              No it doesn't count as islamic governance. Democracy as a concept and ruling system has its origins in kufr and is based on kufr. Prophet Muhammad (saw) only ruled the people by establishing the Khilafah state and implementing the shariah upon them in totality. Democracy puts what laws to choose to a vote and as democracy stands on pillars of other kufr concepts such as freedom of expression (eg what was published by charlie hebdo), free market policies that also permit the sale of alcohol and gambling etc the list of unislamic bases used upon which democracy stands should be enough to realise that it is completely different and incompatible with the implementation of Islam. What has happened in a few Muslim countries like Saudi is that they pick a few Islamic punishments to implement and say that they are implementing shariah when in fact they're not. Or you get countries like Pakistan that claim to be 'Islamic republic' just cos' they misapply some blasphemy laws but at the same time choose to vote for leaders who allow kufaar troops to set up bases in Muslim lands to bomb other Muslims both in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

              What has happened is that the Ummah has lost the true Islamic leadership and ruling system for almost a hundred years, so people are so out of touch with the idea of what an Islamic ruling system is supposed to consist of and are so defeatist assuming it's too hard to make it a reality, that instead they seek a 'compromise solution' in which they implement a bit of islam and a bit of kufr and call it 'islamic democracy'- implement a handful of islamic rules to keep the religious lot happy and let the rest of the laws be based on kufr to keep the real leaders in the white house etc happy. There is no such thing as islamic democracy; there is either democracy or there is islam and anyone trying to reconcile the two is deceiving the ummah into compromising a chunk of islamic values.
              I said Islamic Democracy.

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                Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                Originally posted by Uthman Ibn Afan View Post
                A system of governance with an elected group of peoples representatives where the limits of shari'ah are observed and can never be overridden.
                How's that different to what the Taliban, Al Nusra, ISIS etc want?

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                  Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                  Originally posted by Muslimah1436 View Post
                  I understand your point from that perspective. But democracy isn't limited to electing leaders (which is not always the case under democracy either). It's a set of man-made laws designed to govern society. It contradicts Islam which derives rules from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
                  Quran and Sunnah does not allow dictatorship and inheritable monarchy ! But it allows consulting.
                  Note: I am a shia.

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                    Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                    Originally posted by emirali View Post
                    How's that different to what the Taliban, Al Nusra, ISIS etc want?
                    From where the legitimacy of those terrorists is coming ! Did Allah and his prophet elect them as caliph or Muslims elected them as their caliph !?
                    Allah elected and proposed Mahdi as the caliph. He is not present now. For sure Muslims did not elect them.
                    So what is the legitimacy of those terrorists !?
                    Note: I am a shia.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                      Originally posted by emirali View Post
                      I said Islamic Democracy.
                      she explained it very well.... there is no such thing as Islamic democracy...
                      If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
                      “Whoever turns away from my Sunnah has nothing to do with me.” (al-Bukhaari)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Muslimah1436 View Post
                        Originally posted by Uthman Ibn Afan View Post
                        A system of governance with an elected group of peoples representatives where the limits of shari'ah are observed and can never be overridden.
                        I understand your point from that perspective. But democracy isn't limited to electing leaders (which is not always the case under democracy either). It's a set of man-made laws designed to govern society. It contradicts Islam which derives rules from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
                        That is what is secular democracy but the question was what is meant by Islamic Democracy and from what I've read of Maulana Maududi that is what he meant when he used the term.

                        We should look at the actual substance not just the term. Is there anything prohibiting elected representatives voting over issues which are not mentioned in Quran and Sunnah? If yes, then what's the daleel? If not, then how does it contradict Islam?
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                          Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                          Speaking strictly from terminology vs democracy as an ideological viewpoint and set of beliefs based on greek governance.

                          Democracy is not an islamic belief or ideology. It's of greek origin. Where everything is defined, set, by the popular mob/vote. Therefore this is unislamic. Shari'ah is defined by Allah through the qur'an and hadith, and the part where the ulema make derived laws from principles that is something that may change at one point in time, but it is still not ultimately democracy which is whatever the desires define wherever the wind blows

                          However, when it comes to consultation, electing somebody, it is evident from the sunnah that... this existed, the people were consulted and advised back and forth. So while we may not talk of it as 'democracy' in the greek or western sense, this concept of consultation and agreement in the community exists in islam.

                          Totalitarian dictatorship and monarchy is not islam either. When it comes to what Allah defined, then yes it is set, and those that argue against that are against Islam...

                          Some groups of Muslims are trying to appease non-muslim countries, governmnets, non-muslims and therefore are trying to make everything 'islamic'... islamic music, islamic democracy, islamic alcohol lol (well.. halal whiskey, halal beer -- non alcoholic) ... if you get what I'm saying. Islamic islamic islamic.

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                          • #14
                            Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                            Did Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere want to apply 'Islamic Democracy'?

                            An above poster said it revolves around voting on issues not mentioned in Quran and Sunnah. Would hudud, Islamic financial system etc still all be applied?

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                              Re: What is Islamic Democracy?

                              A fallacy?

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