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    Women lost their modesty when men lost their gheerah..” .

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    Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

    purdah does not nee to be worn in font of father inlaw as he is considered mahram; I think a father inlaw touching a daughter inlaw lustfully will be very rare ...

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    • #3
      Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

      Also, how touches a daughter in law thinking she's his wife? I mean when.does that even.happen
      There are gems to be discovered in Quran.

      Recite :saw: when you read this sentence.

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      • #4
        Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

        Who *
        There are gems to be discovered in Quran.

        Recite :saw: when you read this sentence.

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        • #5
          Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

          There were some cases I heard of this nature before, where people were forced to terminate their marriage and they had to appeal in courts to stay together
          Not knowing what one doesn't know will lead to difficulty

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            Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

            :alhumdull :saw:

            In the Hanafi madhab, the lustful touch is comparable to sexual intercourse based on the principle: that that leads to haram is itself haram.

            However, the Maliki, Shafii, Hanbali schools do not accept lustful touches or looks as comparable to intercourse.
            That does not permit or excuse the conduct, it just separates the acts legally.

            Thus, the lustful touch is prohibited and condemnable and the man must take action to stop this conduct. However, in the 3 major schools of jurisprudence, these touches do not constitute unlawful sexual intwrcourse nor do they nullify a lawful marriage.

            This is because sura 4:23: "...but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them." The operative words being " gone in them" which refers to intercourse. Thus, the criteria is actual intercourse. If this has not been done, then here is no annulment.
            Touching is still prohibited and sinful, however it does not reach the level of intercourse.

            And Allah knows best.
            Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
            " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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            • #7
              Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

              Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
              :alhumdull :saw:

              In the Hanafi madhab, the lustful touch is comparable to sexual intercourse based on the principle: that that leads to haram is itself haram.

              However, the Maliki, Shafii, Hanbali schools do not accept lustful touches or looks as comparable to intercourse.
              That does not permit or excuse the conduct, it just separates the acts legally.

              Thus, the lustful touch is prohibited and condemnable and the man must take action to stop this conduct. However, in the 3 major schools of jurisprudence, these touches do not constitute unlawful sexual intwrcourse nor do they nullify a lawful marriage.

              This is because sura 4:23: "...but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them." The operative words being " gone in them" which refers to intercourse. Thus, the criteria is actual intercourse. If this has not been done, then here is no annulment.
              Touching is still prohibited and sinful, however it does not reach the level of intercourse.

              And Allah knows best.
              What school of thought do you follow
              There are gems to be discovered in Quran.

              Recite :saw: when you read this sentence.

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              • #8
                Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                (Shaami Vol. 2 pp. 32-36) >>> What hadeeth did he use to come to that conclusion ,,,?>
                Women lost their modesty when men lost their gheerah..” .

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                • #9
                  Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                  It should not break the marriage.

                  Father in Law is the one who should be punished , not the daughter in law.

                  Its disgraceful deed.

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                  • #10
                    Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                    Ok if I have understood this correctly

                    My understanding was that if a man has say relations with a woman thinking it was his wife, then he will be judged on the intention therefore not zina

                    On the same hand if a man was to have the intention to cheat on his wife,visist a place of ill repute pays has relations with a woman (say its dark) and it turns out it was his wife trying to earn money on the side then that is zina

                    this is very simple and general, based on this type of understanding an ''accidental'' relationship would be the same no?

                    The fatwa above seems to be based on intentional incest whereas the question was about accidental incest thinking it was his wife

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                    • #11
                      Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                      This was one of the strange fatawah from sites like ask imam which caused me to leave blind following what people today consider to be the hanafi madhab.

                      As others have already pointed out, why would the son and daughter in law be punished for the haram actions of the father? it goes against all natural justice found in the Shariah of Allaah.
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                      • #12
                        Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                        Originally posted by Outreach4Islam View Post
                        This was one of the strange fatawah from sites like ask imam which caused me to leave blind following what people today consider to be the hanafi madhab.

                        As others have already pointed out, why would the son and daughter in law be punished for the haram actions of the father? it goes against all natural justice found in the Shariah of Allaah.
                        Is it haram actions akhie? I mean in the question asked. so accidentally and thinking it is his wife

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                        • #13
                          Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                          Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                          :alhumdull :saw:

                          In the Hanafi madhab, the lustful touch is comparable to sexual intercourse based on the principle: that that leads to haram is itself haram.

                          However, the Maliki, Shafii, Hanbali schools do not accept lustful touches or looks as comparable to intercourse.
                          That does not permit or excuse the conduct, it just separates the acts legally.

                          Thus, the lustful touch is prohibited and condemnable and the man must take action to stop this conduct. However, in the 3 major schools of jurisprudence, these touches do not constitute unlawful sexual intwrcourse nor do they nullify a lawful marriage.

                          This is because sura 4:23: "...but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them." The operative words being " gone in them" which refers to intercourse. Thus, the criteria is actual intercourse. If this has not been done, then here is no annulment.
                          Touching is still prohibited and sinful, however it does not reach the level of intercourse.

                          And Allah knows best.
                          is it also the Hanafi madhab that says you can't touch your wife (even without intercourse or secretions) while fasting?

                          it sounds like that line of thinking
                          If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
                          (al-Bukhaari)

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                          • #14
                            Re: if father in law touch daughter in law lustfully...?

                            Originally posted by nonameakhi View Post
                            Is it haram actions akhie? I mean in the question asked. so accidentally and thinking it is his wife
                            you are right, misread a line up there and believed it related to the man touching her on purpose, in this case there is not even any sin upon him as his intention was correct.
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