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  • sk0rpi0n
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    ^Basically Jesus was lifeless without being physically dead (where God takes away the soul without returning it).
    Remember the sign of Jonah which Jesus gave. The sign required Jesus to be in the tomb for 3 days just as Jonah was in the whale for 3 days. Jonah was alive but incapacitated in the darkness of the whale....same with Jesus he was not physically dead but stuck in a dark narrow tomb.

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  • sk0rpi0n
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    Originally posted by Slamdunker View Post
    Thanks for sharing that. Two observations. 1. How did Jesus escape death when it clearly says He didn't? 2. If no one was made to resemble Him, then what is that verse saying?

    I'm confused:)

    I am a Christian, so please be patient with me. I just want to understand.
    The word crucifixion means death on a cross. The two thieves legitimately died of crucifixion but Jesus story was different.

    Jesus himself said no man could take his life from him but he had permission to lay it down himself.
    So he was not killed by men (Romans or Jews) but rather gave up his soul. When he did that he became lifeless causing onlookers at the site of the crucifixion to think he was dead. But Jesus had his life returned to him in the tomb and came alive...and thus escaped death.


    The verse is simply saying they thought they killed Jesus when they really didn't. Even in your bible you read the Jews confidently believed they killed Jesus and spread a story that the disciples removed Jesus body from the tomb, when in reality Jesus was alive the whole time.

    Nobody was made to look like Jesus. Jesus was nailed to the cross but didn't die of it. God took his soul temporarily making it appear as if he died.

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  • AbdullahiG
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    Originally posted by Slamdunker View Post
    Thanks for sharing that. Two observations. 1. How did Jesus escape death when it clearly says He didn't? 2. If no one was made to resemble Him, then what is that verse saying?

    I'm confused:)

    I am a Christian, so please be patient with me. I just want to understand.

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  • Slamdunker
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    Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post
    The korans account of the crucifixion is that Jews thought they crucified Jesus but they killed him not but it appeared too them that way. Same thing appears in the bible...Jews believed they killed him and spread a story that his body was removed from the tomb when in reality Jesus escaped death..and was raised by God.
    . There is actually nothing in the Koran that says somebody was made to resemble Jesus but Muslims often interpret the verse that way.
    Thanks for sharing that. Two observations. 1. How did Jesus escape death when it clearly says He didn't? 2. If no one was made to resemble Him, then what is that verse saying?

    I'm confused:)

    I am a Christian, so please be patient with me. I just want to understand.

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  • sk0rpi0n
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    Originally posted by Slamdunker View Post
    Greetings,

    I would like to know more about 4:156,157 in the Koran. Did the Jews believe they crucified Christ? Who made the resemblance of Christ? When was it made? When was he taken up to Allah?

    Thanks
    The korans account of the crucifixion is that Jews thought they crucified Jesus but they killed him not but it appeared too them that way. Same thing appears in the bible...Jews believed they killed him and spread a story that his body was removed from the tomb when in reality Jesus escaped death..and was raised by God.
    . There is actually nothing in the Koran that says somebody was made to resemble Jesus but Muslims often interpret the verse that way.

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  • lifeisprayer
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    The Stubbornness of the Jews (tafsir ibnkathir)



    Muhammad bin Ka`b Al-Qurazi, As-Suddi and Qatadah said that the Jews asked the Messenger of Allah to cause a book to come down to them from heaven, just as the Tawrah was sent down to Musa. Ibn Jurayj said that the Jews asked the Messenger to cause books to come down to them addressed to so-and-so among them, testifying to the truth of what he was sent with. The Jews only asked for this because of their stubbornness, defiance, rejection and disbelief. The disbelievers of Quraysh also asked for similar things from the Prophet, as is mentioned in Surat Al-Isra',

    ﴿وَقَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الاٌّرْضِ يَنْبُوعًا ﴾

    (And they say: "We shall not believe in you, until you cause a spring to gush forth from the earth for us;) (17:90) Allah said,

    ﴿فَقَدْ سَأَلُواْ مُوسَى أَكْبَرَ مِن ذلِكَ فَقَالُواْ أَرِنَا اللَّهِ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْهُمُ الصَّـعِقَةُ بِظُلْمِهِمْ﴾

    (Indeed, they asked Musa for even greater than that, when they said, "Show us Allah in public,'' but they were struck with a bolt of lightning for their wickedness.) injustice, transgression, defiance and rebellion. This part was explained in Surat Al-Baqarah,

    ﴿وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَـمُوسَى لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى نَرَى اللَّهَ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ الصَّـعِقَةُ وَأَنتُمْ تَنظُرُونَ - ثُمَّ بَعَثْنَـكُم مِّن بَعْدِ مَوْتِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ ﴾

    (And (remember) when you said: "O Musa! We shall never believe in you until we see Allah plainly.'' But you were struck by a bolt of lightning while you were looking. Then We raised you up after your death, so that you might be grateful.) (2:55,56) Allah's statement,

    ﴿ثُمَّ اتَّخَذُواْ الْعِجْلَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَآءَتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَـتُ﴾

    (Then they worshipped the calf even after Al-Bayyinat had come to them.) meaning, after they witnessed the tremendous miracles and unequivocal proofs at the hand of Musa in Egypt. They also witnessed the demise of their enemy, Fir`awn and his soldiers, when they all drowned in the sea. Yet soon after, when they passed by a people who were worshipping idols, they said to Musa,

    ﴿اجْعَلْ لَّنَآ إِلَـهًا كَمَا لَهُمْ ءَالِهَةٌ﴾

    (Make for us a god as they have gods.) Allah explains the story of the Jews worshipping the calf in Surat Al-A`raf (7) and Surah Ta Ha (20) after Musa went to meet with his Lord. When Musa returned, Allah decreed that in order for the Jews to earn accepted repentance, then those who did not worship the calf would have to kill those who worshipped it. They complied with this command, and Allah resurrected them afterwards. Allah said here,

    ﴿فَعَفَوْنَا عَن ذلِكَ وَءَاتَيْنَا مُوسَى سُلْطَـناً مُّبِيناً﴾

    ((Even) so We forgave them. And We gave Musa a clear proof of authority. ) Allah then said,

    ﴿وَرَفَعْنَا فَوْقَهُمُ الطُّورَ بِمِيثَـقِهِمْ﴾

    (And for their covenant, We raised over them the mount,) This was when they refrained from implementing the rulings of the Tawrah and refused what Musa brought them from Allah. So Allah raised the mountain above their heads and they were ordered to prostrate, which they did. Even so, they were looking above when they were prostrating for fear that the mountain might fall on them,

    ﴿وَإِذ نَتَقْنَا الْجَبَلَ فَوْقَهُمْ كَأَنَّهُ ظُلَّةٌ وَظَنُّواْ أَنَّهُ وَاقِعٌ بِهِمْ خُذُواْ مَآ ءَاتَيْنَاكُم بِقُوَّةٍ﴾

    (And (remember) when We raised the mountain over them as if it had been a canopy, and they thought that it was going to fall on them. (We said): "Hold firmly to what We have given you.'') Allah then said,

    ﴿وَقُلْنَا لَهُمُ ادْخُلُواْ الْبَابَ سُجَّداً﴾

    (and We said, "Enter the gate prostrating (or bowing) with humility;'') meaning that they also defied this command in word and action. They were commanded to enter Bayt Al-Quds (in Jerusalem) while bowing and saying "Hittah'', meaning: `O Allah! take from us our sin of abandoning Jihad.' This was the cause of their wandering in the desert of Tih for forty years. Yet, they entered the House while crawling on their rear ends and saying `Hintah (a wheat grain) in Sha`rah (the hair)'.

    ﴿وَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ لاَ تَعْدُواْ فِى السَّبْتِ﴾

    (and We commanded them, "Transgress not the Sabbath (Saturday).'') meaning, We commanded them to honor the Sabbath and honor what Allah prohibited them on that day.

    ﴿وَأَخَذْنَا مِنْهُمْ مِّيثَـقاً غَلِيظاً﴾

    t(And We took from them a firm covenant.) meaning, strong covenant. They rebelled, transgressed and committed what Allah prohibited by using deceit and trickery, as is mentioned in Surat Al-A`raf (7),

    ﴿وَسْئَلْهُمْ عَنِ الْقَرْيَةِ الَّتِى كَانَتْ حَاضِرَةَ الْبَحْرِ﴾

    (And ask them about the town that was by the sea.)

    ﴿فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِمْ مَّيثَـقَهُمْ وَكُفْرِهِم بَـَايَـتِ اللَّهِ وَقَتْلِهِمُ الاٌّنْبِيَآءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَقَوْلِهِمْ قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ بَلْ طَبَعَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهَا بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً - وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَى مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَـناً عَظِيماً - وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُمْ بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِيناً - بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزاً حَكِيماً ﴾

    ﴿وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَـبِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَـمَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيداً ﴾

    (155. Because of their breaking the covenant, and their rejecting the Ayat of Allah, and their killing the Prophets unjustly, and their saying: "Our hearts are Ghulf,'' nay, Allah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.) (156. And because of their disbelief and uttering against Maryam a grave false charge.) (157. And because of their saying, "We killed Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah,'' but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared as that to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not.) (158. But Allah raised him up unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.) (159. And there is none of the People of the Scripture, but must believe in him, before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them.)

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  • Slamdunker
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    The Resemblance

    Greetings,

    I would like to know more about 4:156,157 in the Koran. Did the Jews believe they crucified Christ? Who made the resemblance of Christ? When was it made? When was he taken up to Allah?

    Thanks

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