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  • The Crucifixion of Jesus

    Hey everyone. I know that the Quran teaches that Jesus was not crucified but Tacitus, a Roman historian; Josephus, a Jewish historian; the Babylonian Talmud; and a letter from Mara Bar-Serapion testify that Jesus was indeed crucified. What does Islam have to say in rebuttal to this? Here is a link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus


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    Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

    Originally posted by Aamilah Abrar View Post
    Hey everyone. I know that the Quran teaches that Jesus was not crucified but Tacitus, a Roman historian; Josephus, a Jewish historian; the Babylonian Talmud; and a letter from Mara Bar-Serapion testify that Jesus was indeed crucified. What does Islam have to say in rebuttal to this? Here is a link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus
    Allah Azza wa Jall reveals in the Quran in Surah An-Nisa

    157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, (but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:

    158. But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (Translation from Dr. Hilali and Dr. Mushin Khan)
    "When a man sees the road as long he weakens in his walk." Ibn Qayyim

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      Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

      Originally posted by Aamilah Abrar View Post
      Hey everyone. I know that the Quran teaches that Jesus was not crucified but Tacitus, a Roman historian; Josephus, a Jewish historian; the Babylonian Talmud; and a letter from Mara Bar-Serapion testify that Jesus was indeed crucified. What does Islam have to say in rebuttal to this? Here is a link:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus
      A young boy was crusified instead of of Esa (saw) but he was given the same appearance as the Prophet Esa (saw)
      Sisters don't rep or joke with me.

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        Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

        Originally posted by Abu-Yahya View Post
        A young boy was crusified instead of of Esa (saw) but he was given the same appearance as the Prophet Esa (saw)
        I heard it was that dude who betrayed jesus
        "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

        "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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        • #5
          Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

          Originally posted by candyapple View Post
          I heard it was that dude who betrayed jesus
          In the Gospel of Barnabas it is said that Judas was the one who's image of Jesus a.s. came upon him and the Roman soldiery seized him and humiliated Judas with the crucifixion. Though the Gospel of Barnabas cannot be authenticated just like the rest of the Gospels in the New Testament. And Allah Knows Best.
          "When a man sees the road as long he weakens in his walk." Ibn Qayyim

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            Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

            If Allah made someone else to appear like Jesus then wouldn't that make Allah a deceiver?

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              Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

              Originally posted by Aamilah Abrar View Post
              If Allah made someone else to appear like Jesus then wouldn't that make Allah a deceiver?
              No. If it was the person who was willing to take the image of Jesus a.s. knowing that he is going to be killed then he is a martyr. May Allah reward him as such. If that person is Judas according to some reports then he had it coming for his betrayal of his Prophet. The only ones deceived are those who were complicit in attempting to take the life of the Messiah a.s. and the future generations of mankind that were misled into thinking that is was Jesus a.s. that was crucified and centered their religion around that which Allah Azza wa Jall refutes in the Last Testament of mankind, the Quran.
              "When a man sees the road as long he weakens in his walk." Ibn Qayyim

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              • #8
                Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                Originally posted by Musbah View Post
                No. If it was the person who was willing to take the image of Jesus a.s. knowing that he is going to be killed then he is a martyr. May Allah reward him as such. If that person is Judas according to some reports then he had it coming for his betrayal of his Prophet. The only ones deceived are those who were complicit in attempting to take the life of the Messiah a.s. and the future generations of mankind that were misled into thinking that is was Jesus a.s. that was crucified and centered their religion around that which Allah Azza wa Jall refutes in the Last Testament of mankind, the Quran.
                Wouldn't the people of the 1st Century have been deceived into believing Jesus was really crucified?

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                  Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                  Originally posted by Aamilah Abrar View Post
                  Wouldn't the people of the 1st Century have been deceived into believing Jesus was really crucified?
                  And what is your point?

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                    Originally posted by Mohamed12 View Post
                    And what is your point?
                    I also find it strange that billions of people should have been deliberately deluded over the centuries into believing that Jesus was crucified, if it was not so.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                      Originally posted by olrac View Post
                      I also find it strange that billions of people should have been deliberately deluded over the centuries into believing that Jesus was crucified, if it was not so.
                      They deluded themselves not just on that but believing he is the son of God, or God himself or believing in a Trinity.
                      "When a man sees the road as long he weakens in his walk." Ibn Qayyim

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                        Originally posted by Aamilah Abrar View Post
                        Wouldn't the people of the 1st Century have been deceived into believing Jesus was really crucified?
                        Not all followers of Jesus were people who thought he was crucified. The only ones that started that was Paul and he was not an eyewitness or a disciple of Jesus. In fact you can say that none of the disciples where eye witnesses to the crucifixion since the Bible says that ALL of his disciples forsook him and fled.
                        "When a man sees the road as long he weakens in his walk." Ibn Qayyim

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                          Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                          Originally posted by Mohamed12 View Post
                          And what is your point?
                          Well, wouldn't that make Allah a deceiver of those who believed He was crucified?

                          Originally posted by Musbah View Post
                          Not all followers of Jesus were people who thought he was crucified. The only ones that started that was Paul and he was not an eyewitness or a disciple of Jesus. In fact you can say that none of the disciples where eye witnesses to the crucifixion since the Bible says that ALL of his disciples forsook him and fled.
                          Actually, the disciple John was present at Jesus' crucifixion:

                          When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
                          (John 19:26-27 RSV-CE)

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                            Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                            The gnostic church also believe that Jesus ascended to heaven and that he was not crusified. I also read gospel of Judas which was pretty interesting due to it being more similar to the islamic point of view.

                            Anyways. The young companion who was crusified feesabililah has a high status in jannah may we be joined with him one day Allah willing.
                            We have seen what is happening in Iraq and Syria and the hadith about the dajjal and Esa, and how blessed are those that will be able to see him? Subhanallah
                            Sisters don't rep or joke with me.

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                              Re: The Crucifixion of Jesus

                              Originally posted by Aamilah Abrar View Post
                              Well, wouldn't that make Allah a deceiver of those who believed He was crucified?



                              Actually, the disciple John was present at Jesus' crucifixion:

                              When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
                              (John 19:26-27 RSV-CE)
                              Actually you are wrong and I almost feel shy having to teach a Christian their religion. According to the book "The Five Gospels" that a group of Bible Scholars called the Jesus Seminar and published by Macmillan Publishing Company back in 1993 researched the authenticity of what is attributed to Jesus in the New Testament. Those words in 19:26-27 that the Gospel of John claim Jesus said are a fabrication. Here is the excerpt:

                              "Verses 26-27 are a Johnannine construction: the presence of Jesus' mother and the disciple whom Jesus loved most are peculiar to the Gospel of John. The designation "disciple whom Jesus loved most" is unique to the fourth evangelist- whatever he mean by it (scholars have been unable to agree on the identification of this figure: candidates have included John, son of Zebedee, the author of the Fourth Gospel, and Lazurus). As a consequence, the exchanges between Jesus and his mother and Jesus and that disciple probably reflect the evangelists special interests."

                              So you can't even establish who it is that Jesus was talking about. Then you have the Bible scholars saying that the words of Jesus is a fabrication. But this is typical of Christians who only hear, read and accept what is convenient for them to suit their cozy misguided beliefs. I guess you are going to blame Allah for being deceitful for that also.
                              "When a man sees the road as long he weakens in his walk." Ibn Qayyim

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