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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Originally posted by meme4 View Post
    but they are not kafir correct, but they have killed other muslims and the quran says whoever kills a believer intentionally shall enter hell forever
    In the case of a Muslim, it simply means a very long time, but eventually they will be set free.

    Look, leave the fate of other people to Allah and just focus on yourself.

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  • meme4
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    and if they dont repent

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  • islamuslim
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Originally posted by meme4 View Post
    but they are not kafir correct, but they have killed other muslims and the quran says whoever kills a believer intentionally shall enter hell forever
    But doesn't Allah also say that whoever truly repents for whatever sin they committed he will forgive them, EXCEPT SHIRK?

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  • meme4
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    but they are not kafir correct, but they have killed other muslims and the quran says whoever kills a believer intentionally shall enter hell forever

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    That depends on if 1 supports them or not, there are those that are with them, others say they are misguided in their actions.

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  • meme4
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    so would boko haram fall in the misguidance or do they know what they are doing is bad

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Originally posted by meme4 View Post
    But I am pretty sure the likes of boko haram have heard what they are doing is against islam and they should change
    They have their reasoning and proof for what they are doing, even if it is a wrong understanding...

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  • meme4
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    But I am pretty sure the likes of boko haram have heard what they are doing is against islam and they should change

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Then they got an excuse....

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  • meme4
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    but what if they were taught haram is halal and dont know any better

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Originally posted by meme4 View Post
    ok but what about what I said about making haram halal
    Read:
    http://islamqa.info/en/142392

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  • meme4
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    ok but what about what I said about making haram halal

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  • Mikha’eel
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Originally posted by meme4 View Post
    but they are children and innocent, beside many other muslims have condemmed their actions, This is a crime and we should not remain silent. They did forced conversion which is haram as well
    Yes but its not kufr. That is what u need to understand.

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  • meme4
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    but they are children and innocent, beside many other muslims have condemmed their actions, This is a crime and we should not remain silent. They did forced conversion which is haram as well

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  • Sandman
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    Re: major muslim sinners = munfiq?

    Originally posted by meme4 View Post
    but sandman seemed to be justifying their actions
    Correction, I said they have evidences which they consider valid that they use to justify their actions.

    And neither you nor I have the right to make takfeer on them without establishing the truth of the matter and even then takfeer would be for Scholars in this case as it is not entirely clear what the truth is, nor do we know if the evidences they claim are valid under their circumstances.

    What is clear is their actions I.E Taking prisoners (you call it kidnapping) in war is not Haraam. On that basis we are better off with silence rather than condemnation. Even if they aren't valid kidnapping isn't an act that renders a person a Kaffir.

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