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  • #46
    Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

    Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post

    u innovators never stop quarreling/arguing/debating do u?

    I thought u "soft hearted" ones were the ones who say 'debating hardens the heart'...
    Well with you around mate , there is no debate to start with :D .

    Go get a religous education and then come back to us , maybe then you can debate .

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    • #47
      Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

      Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post

      u innovators never stop quarreling/arguing/debating do u?

      I thought u "soft hearted" ones were the ones who say 'debating hardens the heart'...
      There is no question of debating with a cynist.

      Even if I show you the clear proof, you will do as your shaykh says as so called al abani and ibn baz tell you to do.So why do I waste my time in debating with you.

      But just to the fact, atleast they have adaab.Which you lack.This is the reason why I ask you, does Shaykh masnoor hasan aal- salmaan also speaks like this as you speak?
      Last edited by ahmed_abdullah; 09-02-11, 07:16 PM.
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      • #48
        Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

        Originally posted by ahmed_abdullah View Post
        There is no question of debating with a cynist.

        Even if I show you the clear proof, you will do as your shaykh says as so called al abani and ibn baz tell you to do.So why do I waste my time in debating with you.

        But just to the fact, atleast they have adaab.Which you lack.This is the reason why I ask you, does Shaykh masnoor hasan aal- salmaan also speaks like this as you speak?
        Oh im sorry did u say proof?

        So what is ur proof from the salaf that we can celebrate the mawlid?
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        • #49
          Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

          Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
          Oh im sorry did u say proof?

          So what is ur proof from the salaf that we can celebrate the mawlid?
          What do you mean by salaf?

          Is this what you invented yourself or did the salaf asked you to call them by it?
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          • #50
            Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

            Any layman knows what salaf means. THE FIRST THREE GEBERATIONS!

            So stop changing the subject and bring ur proof from the salaf.

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            • #51
              Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

              Any layman knows what is salaf.But since you are so marched upon the innovations.I am sure you must have looked into the mirror and have asked whether are you doing any innovation or not?

              So again,Did any from the third generation or Quran or Sunnah asked you to call them salaf specifically ?
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              • #52
                HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                aSalaam alaykum,

                Basically, I come from a background where the birthday of the holy Prophet peace be upon him is celebrated. It was only at university where I realised that there are many people out there who do not celebrate it and actually go one step further calling it bidd'ah, etc. I have been doing some research for myself, I am not really all that knowledgeable on such topics but I did try to find an answer. However, it seems the more I searched the more confused I got because there just isn't a clear cut hadith or Quranic ayat that I could find.

                So I have a couple of questions for people with the knowledge;

                (i) did the Prophet peace be upon him celebrate his own birthday? I'm not talking about fasting on a particular day as I have heard these narrations, rather I am talking about celebrating the mawlid by getting the sahaba together and holding a "mehfil" if you like, with food and etc and then stating that this is all for my mawlid?

                (ii) after the Prophet passed away, is there any evidence from hadith that the sahaba in particular celebrated the mawlid? for example is there ANY SPECIFIC hadith about Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman or Ali may Allah be pleased with them all celebrating the mawlid?


                jazakAllah

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                • #53
                  Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                  Originally posted by ISLAMTHEWAY4US View Post
                  aSalaam alaykum,

                  Basically, I come from a background where the birthday of the holy Prophet peace be upon him is celebrated. It was only at university where I realised that there are many people out there who do not celebrate it and actually go one step further calling it bidd'ah, etc. I have been doing some research for myself, I am not really all that knowledgeable on such topics but I did try to find an answer. However, it seems the more I searched the more confused I got because there just isn't a clear cut hadith or Quranic ayat that I could find.

                  So I have a couple of questions for people with the knowledge;

                  (i) did the Prophet peace be upon him celebrate his own birthday? I'm not talking about fasting on a particular day as I have heard these narrations, rather I am talking about celebrating the mawlid by getting the sahaba together and holding a "mehfil" if you like, with food and etc and then stating that this is all for my mawlid?

                  (ii) after the Prophet passed away, is there any evidence from hadith that the sahaba in particular celebrated the mawlid? for example is there ANY SPECIFIC hadith about Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman or Ali may Allah be pleased with them all celebrating the mawlid?


                  jazakAllah
                  (i) No

                  (ii) No

                  I know two opinions to this, one says it is an Innovation the other says it is permissible with a couple guidelines as to what not to do

                  Innovation
                  http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/17347

                  Not innovation
                  http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...=1776&CATE=108
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                  • #54
                    Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                    Originally posted by ISLAMTHEWAY4US View Post
                    aSalaam alaykum,

                    Basically, I come from a background where the birthday of the holy Prophet peace be upon him is celebrated. It was only at university where I realised that there are many people out there who do not celebrate it and actually go one step further calling it bidd'ah, etc. I have been doing some research for myself, I am not really all that knowledgeable on such topics but I did try to find an answer. However, it seems the more I searched the more confused I got because there just isn't a clear cut hadith or Quranic ayat that I could find.

                    So I have a couple of questions for people with the knowledge;

                    (i) did the Prophet peace be upon him celebrate his own birthday? I'm not talking about fasting on a particular day as I have heard these narrations, rather I am talking about celebrating the mawlid by getting the sahaba together and holding a "mehfil" if you like, with food and etc and then stating that this is all for my mawlid?

                    (ii) after the Prophet passed away, is there any evidence from hadith that the sahaba in particular celebrated the mawlid? for example is there ANY SPECIFIC hadith about Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman or Ali may Allah be pleased with them all celebrating the mawlid?


                    jazakAllah
                    Originally posted by .Kid. View Post
                    (i) No

                    (ii) No

                    I know two opinions to this, one says it is an Innovation the other says it is permissible with a couple guidelines as to what not to do

                    Innovation
                    http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/17347

                    Not innovation
                    http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...=1776&CATE=108
                    :wswrwb:

                    http://islamqa.info/en/ref/249/mawlid

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                    • #55
                      Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                      The prophet :saw: didn't celebrate his birthday.

                      The sahaba didn't celebrate it.

                      That's enough for us not to do it. It's bi'dah. And bi'dah leads to Jahanam from a Hadith I've read. Be careful from bi'dah it's a serious thing. May Allah save us from it.

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                      • #56
                        Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                        Recently I came across another viewpoint on this issue.

                        There is a group of Muslims who plan a mawlid gathering once a month. At this gathering, they sing praises to the Holy Prophet and listen to Muslim scholars talk about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet. Their attitude is that Muslims should not think about the Holy Prophet just once a year, nor should Muslims learn about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet just once a year. From what I understand, singing the praises of the Holy Prophet aka selawat and listening to lectures about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet is something which is encouraged in Islam.

                        Do I understand rightly?
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                        • #57
                          Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                          Originally posted by ThisOldMan View Post
                          Recently I came across another viewpoint on this issue.

                          There is a group of Muslims who plan a mawlid gathering once a month. At this gathering, they sing praises to the Holy Prophet and listen to Muslim scholars talk about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet. Their attitude is that Muslims should not think about the Holy Prophet just once a year, nor should Muslims learn about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet just once a year. From what I understand, singing the praises of the Holy Prophet aka selawat and listening to lectures about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet is something which is encouraged in Islam.

                          Do I understand rightly?
                          :salams

                          http://islamqa.info/en/ref/249/mawlid

                          The Sunnah of the Prophet is something that is implemented and learnt throughout ones life and therefore the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) is thought about more than once a year. The mawlid on the other hand is a celebration of the Prophet's (SAW) birthday, which has no basis in Islam.

                          It is quite ironic that these people talk about the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) yet sing his praises and listen to lectures which generally have some things in them, which have no basis in Islam.

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                          • #58
                            Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                            Originally posted by ISLAMTHEWAY4US View Post
                            aSalaam alaykum,

                            Basically, I come from a background where the birthday of the holy Prophet peace be upon him is celebrated. It was only at university where I realised that there are many people out there who do not celebrate it and actually go one step further calling it bidd'ah, etc. I have been doing some research for myself, I am not really all that knowledgeable on such topics but I did try to find an answer. However, it seems the more I searched the more confused I got because there just isn't a clear cut hadith or Quranic ayat that I could find.

                            So I have a couple of questions for people with the knowledge;

                            (i) did the Prophet peace be upon him celebrate his own birthday? I'm not talking about fasting on a particular day as I have heard these narrations, rather I am talking about celebrating the mawlid by getting the sahaba together and holding a "mehfil" if you like, with food and etc and then stating that this is all for my mawlid?

                            (ii) after the Prophet passed away, is there any evidence from hadith that the sahaba in particular celebrated the mawlid? for example is there ANY SPECIFIC hadith about Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman or Ali may Allah be pleased with them all celebrating the mawlid?


                            jazakAllah
                            Absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Its a bidah and a deviance because it isnt from Quran or Sunnah of the Prophet saw or the Sahabah ra

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                            • #59
                              Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                              Originally posted by ISLAMTHEWAY4US View Post
                              aSalaam alaykum,

                              Basically, I come from a background where the birthday of the holy Prophet peace be upon him is celebrated. It was only at university where I realised that there are many people out there who do not celebrate it and actually go one step further calling it bidd'ah, etc. I have been doing some research for myself, I am not really all that knowledgeable on such topics but I did try to find an answer. However, it seems the more I searched the more confused I got because there just isn't a clear cut hadith or Quranic ayat that I could find.

                              So I have a couple of questions for people with the knowledge;

                              (i) did the Prophet peace be upon him celebrate his own birthday? I'm not talking about fasting on a particular day as I have heard these narrations, rather I am talking about celebrating the mawlid by getting the sahaba together and holding a "mehfil" if you like, with food and etc and then stating that this is all for my mawlid?

                              (ii) after the Prophet passed away, is there any evidence from hadith that the sahaba in particular celebrated the mawlid? for example is there ANY SPECIFIC hadith about Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman or Ali may Allah be pleased with them all celebrating the mawlid?


                              jazakAllah
                              Wa alaikum asalaam,

                              It depends on which mawlid you mean.

                              If you mean the yearly one, done in Rabi Al Awwal, then yes it's a bid ah, but a good bida according to some Scholars, especially from the Shafi school.

                              If you mean the mawlid which is done daily, weekly or monthly, then no that is not bida and the would take the same ruling as any other gathering where Quran is read and the Seerah is looked at.

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                              • #60
                                Re: HELP ! Question on Mawlid

                                Originally posted by ThisOldMan View Post
                                Recently I came across another viewpoint on this issue.

                                There is a group of Muslims who plan a mawlid gathering once a month. At this gathering, they sing praises to the Holy Prophet and listen to Muslim scholars talk about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet. Their attitude is that Muslims should not think about the Holy Prophet just once a year, nor should Muslims learn about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet just once a year. From what I understand, singing the praises of the Holy Prophet aka selawat and listening to lectures about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet is something which is encouraged in Islam.

                                Do I understand rightly?
                                Yes, such a gathering is good.tt

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