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    Dealing with someone (an innovator) who insists on celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam)

    Question:Response:Shaykh Saalih Al-Fawzaan
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    Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

    Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
    Dealing with someone (an innovator) who insists on celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam)

    Question: We have a man with us at work who approves of the celebration of the birthday (i.e. the Prophet’s (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) birthday), and advocates and insists upon this. Should I abandon him for the Sake of Allaah or not? What should I do? …and may Allaah reward you with good.

    Response: Celebrating the Prophet’s birthday is an innovation, and whoever pursues this (path) is an innovator (mubtadi’) if he insists on doing so and does not accept the (sincere) advice, (rather, choosing to) continue in calling to (celebrating) the birthday and arousing interest in it. (In this case), then, it is obligatory to abandon him since he is an innovator, and it is not permissible to maintain companionship with an innovator.

    Shaykh Saalih Al-Fawzaan

    [Fataawa tata’allaaq bil-Mawlid an-Nabawee – Page 49, Question 11 | Al-Muntaqaa min Fataawa al-Fowzaan – Volume 1, Page 184]
    LOL :)

    Bidah is categorized into two mate , Salafis dont have Ijmaa3 on the matter from the rest of the Madhaahib.

    he shouldve known that.

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      Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

      You are taking this to heart TheAuthenticBase, take it easy.
      :)
      صلى الله على حبيبه محمد و على آله و أصحابه و سلم
      Al-Muslimeen

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        Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

        Originally posted by ahmed_abdullah View Post
        You are taking this to heart TheAuthenticBase, take it easy.
        :)
        1) its called having the love for the sunnah pump through ur veins, something which u innovators obviously dont have

        2) if u actually read the post (which u obvious didnt) u would have realised that this post makes clear that conversations should stop

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          Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

          Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
          1) its called having the love for the sunnah pump through ur veins, something which u innovators obviously dont have

          2) if u actually read the post (which u obvious didnt) u would have realised that this post makes clear that conversations should stop

          Ok, is this what Shaykh masnoor hasan aal- salmaan say to others as well?
          صلى الله على حبيبه محمد و على آله و أصحابه و سلم
          Al-Muslimeen

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            Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

            Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
            Dealing with someone (an innovator) who insists on celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam)

            Question:Response:Shaykh Saalih Al-Fawzaan
            Seriously !! do we really need another mawlid thread ???????????????
            My eyes have not seen anybody as beautiful as Yourself.
            No mother has given birth to a child as beautiful as Yourself.
            You have been created without any defects,
            It seems that Allah has created You the way You wanted to be created
            .

            Hassaan bin Thaabit Radiyallahu anho praising the Prophet peace be upon him

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              Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

              Originally posted by al faqeer View Post
              LOL :)

              Bidah is categorized into two mate , Salafis dont have Ijmaa3 on the matter from the rest of the Madhaahib.

              he shouldve known that.
              let me guess.. good bidah and bad bidah? what a disgusting thing you utter. Allah perfected our deen and here you are saying we can add bits and bobs to it to make it even better than what Allah revealed to us.

              and all your replies regarding this matter are pretty much the same, they all try to dodge the point presented to you.. the same goes to your "bidah crew" over here on this forum.
              Don't live your life to please the kaffir, Live your life to please Allah (S.W.T)

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                Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

                Originally posted by muslimnation View Post
                let me guess.. good bidah and bad bidah? what a disgusting thing you utter. Allah perfected our deen and here you are saying we can add bits and bobs to it to make it even better than what Allah revealed to us.

                and all your replies regarding this matter are pretty much the same, they all try to dodge the point presented to you.. the same goes to your "bidah crew" over here on this forum.
                ok you seem like another lip to zip so lets start from scratch :D , but promise me you dont make like a bird and fly south for the winter :D ok ?


                [bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 39: ]
                Narrated Az-Zuhri:
                ,
                I heard As-Saib bin Yazid, saying, "In the life-time of Allah's Apostle, and Abu Bakr and Umar, the Adhan for the Jumua prayer used to be pronounced after the Imam had taken his seat on the pulpit. But when the people increased in number during the caliphate of 'Uthman, he introduced a third Adhan (on Friday for the Jumua prayer) ...[end quote]
                ,
                and it was pronounced at Az-Zaura' and that new state of affairs remained so in the succeeding years,so now Prophet is not there it means even Khulafa ar rashideen made new good bidahs


                Sahih Bukhari Book 32 Volume 3 Hadith 227
                Narrated Abu Huraira:
                Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate." 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e.innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform

                عَن الْأَعْرَجِ رضي الله عنه قَالَ : سَأَلْتُ مُحَمَّدًا عَنِ صَلَاةِ الضُّحَي وَهُوَ مُسْنِدٌ ظَهْرَهُ إِلَي حُجْرَةِ النَّبِيِّ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم، فَقَالَ : بِدْعَةٌ وَنِعْمَتِ الْبِدْعَةُ

                Narated By Ara'j : I asked Abduallah Ibn Umar (ra) about prayer of chasht, that when He (Ibn Ummar) used to sit beside face of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) room, then he (Ibne Ummar) said: Its a innovation and a Good innovation. [Ibn Abu Shayba Volume 002, Hadith Number 7775]

                Imam Abu Hanifa (Rah) , Founder of Hanafi Madhab and a Tabe'e says
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                Quoted by Imam Ibn e Hajar Asqalini (rah),
                ,
                Hadrat Omer Farooq (ra) said after offering Tarawih that its a excellent Bida , Imam Abu Hanifa (Rah) said that its a proof from people of knowledge that Whoever invents a Bad action in Islam he will get sin for himself and whoever follows him, And whoever invents a Good Biddat in islam he will get Reward for himself and all who follow him in that practice
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                [ Imam Ibn e Hajar Asqalani (Rah) in Zubda-tul-Fakr ]



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                        Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

                        Imam Dhahabi (Rah) writes:

                        المحدثات من الأمور ضربان ما احدث يخالف كتابا او سنة او اثرا او اجماعا فهذه البدعة ضلالة وما احدث من الخير لا خلاف فيه لواحد من هذا فهذه محدثة غير مذمومة قد قال عمر في قيام رمضان نعمت البدعة

                        Innovations are of two types, The first consist of those new matters which are in opposition of Quran, Sunnah, Athaar, or Ijma of Ummah, these will be Bidat al Dhalalah (evil innovations). The second type consists of those new matters which are performed for the good, these will not be disliked, This is why Umar (RA) said at Qiyaam of Tarawih: What an excellent Bidah this is

                        [Imam Dhahabi in As Siyar al Alam an Nabula, Volume 10, Page No. 70]
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                        Mullah Ali Qari (Rah) the great Hanafi Faqih writes:

                        قال الشيخ عز الدين بن عبد السلام في آخر كتاب القواعد البدعة إما واجبة كتعلم النحو لفهم كلام الله ورسوله وكتدوين أصول الفقه والكلام في الجرح والتعديل وإما محرمة كمذهب الجبرية والقدرية والمرجئة والمجسمة والرد على هؤلاء من البدع الواجبة لأن حفظ الشريعة من هذه البدع فرض كفاية وإما مندوبة كإحداث الربط والمدارس وكل إحسان لم يعهد في الصدر الأول وكالتراويح أي بالجماعة العامة والكلام في دقائق الصوفية وإما مكروهة كزخرفة المساجد وتزويق المصاحف يعني عند الشافعية وأما
                        عند الحنفية فمباح وأما مباحة كالمصافحة عقيب الصبح والعصر أي عند الشافعية أيضا وإلا فعند الحنفية مكروه والتوسع في لذائذ المآكل والمشارب والمساكن و,توسيع الأكمام

                        Sheikh Izz ud din bin Abdus Salam (Rahimuhullah) at the end of his book Al-Qawaid explains Bidah as: The study of the disciplines of Arabic that are necessary to understand the Qur'an and sunnah (such as grammar, word declension, and lexicography), to derive Usool of Fiqh,

                        The knowledge of Jirah wa Tadil (i.e. hadith classification to distinguish between correct and batil ahadith) are all Bidat al Wajiba (i.e. necessary new innovations), The Bidat al Mahrima include invention of new madhahib such as Jabriyah, Mujasmiyah..

                        ....all these would be refuted through Bidat al Wajiba because it is Fard al Kifayah to defend shariah from such bidahs. On the other hand construction of universities and all other good deeds in Faruh which were not present in initial stages of Islam such as Tarawih in Jamaat, delicate points in Tassawuf will be Bidat al Mandub (i.e. allowed). The Shafi'is consider embellishing of mosques and Quran to be Bidat al Makruh (i.e. disliked), whereas Ahnaaf consider it Mubah (i.e. allowed),on the other hand Shafi'is consider shaking of hands after Fajr and Asr to be Mubah (i.e. allowed) whereas Ahnaaf consider it disliked, similarly making delicious foods and drinks, making houses spacious (are all included in allowed Bidahs) [Mullah Ali Qari in Mirqat al Mifatih Sharah Mishkaat al Misabih Volume 1, Page No. 216]

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                          Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

                          yo muslimnation who 's playing for the dodgers now ?

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                            Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

                            lol,

                            i had a whole nother point i was going to make, but ill just put that aside for now.

                            tell me how milad is a good thing?

                            its basicly christmas. just with a different prophet.

                            its a trap of shaytan.

                            how is that a good thing?

                            how is it good, when people will base islam off milad?

                            how is it good, when people look foward to milad more then ramadhan?

                            how is it good, when it leads people to shirk?

                            tell me, how are those good things.


                            milad is alike alchohol. there is some good in it, but the evil in it outweighs the good.

                            actually milad is worse then alcohol, because some people do some really messed up things during milad that nullify their islam, where at least if you go drinking your still a muslim.
                            painful torment? (10) (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Adn (Edn) Paradise; that is indeed the great success. (12)

                            JazakAllah khair for the duas but i would prefer duas for shahadah instead.

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                              Re: Dealing With Someone Who Insists On The Mawlid, By Sh. Saalih Al-Fawzaan

                              Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
                              lol,

                              i had a whole nother point i was going to make, but ill just put that aside for now.

                              tell me how milad is a good thing?

                              its basicly christmas. just with a different prophet.

                              its a trap of shaytan.

                              how is that a good thing?

                              how is it good, when people will base islam off milad?

                              how is it good, when people look foward to milad more then ramadhan?

                              how is it good, when it leads people to shirk?

                              tell me, how are those good things.


                              milad is alike alchohol. there is some good in it, but the evil in it outweighs the good.

                              actually milad is worse then alcohol, because some people do some really messed up things during milad that nullify their islam, where at least if you go drinking your still a muslim.
                              So Quran, Seerah and Inshaad praising Allah SWT , and salawaat is like alchohol ? according to uncle Umar ?

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