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  • ReallyCurious
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    Re: Concept of God: Pre-destination?

    The concept of predestination raises another question that I have trouble resolving.
    Every day, thousands of innocent children die from disease, hereditary genetic disorder, accident and natural disaster. Many of the parents are devout Muslims who pray wholeheartedly for deliverance. Allah could stop these deaths if he so desired. These are not people who have exercised free will or made wrong choices, they are blameless infants. He has therefore decided that they all must die, many in terrible suffering, to suit his purpose. I cannot reconcile this with an all knowing, all powerful, all merciful and all just god who is worthy of our worship. Is there something that I have missed that justifies his actions. (We cannot use the reasoning that we can't question his actions, however unpalatable they seem. This opens up a very unpleasant can of worms)

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  • UFM
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    Re: Concept of God: Pre-destination?

    Originally posted by itanimulli View Post
    Concept of God: Pre-destination?

    Q: If God (Allah) truly is a 'God' in a sense that he knows EVERYTHING regardless of what it is or the circumstances of it - Then why do we exist?

    God (Allah) claims to have given us 'free will'... But with this free will he knows what choices we will choose assuming that he is in fact the 'All Knowing'.. he also knows all of our intentions before we even start to think about the subject. So why do we exist?

    We are threatened with torment in Hell yet we have no real choice in what we do or say or what we believe in, because when it all comes down to it, God (Allah) has planned for it to happen. He has planned for us to either die a Muslim or a Mushrik, he has planned for us to believe in him or not to believe in him.

    Claiming we have 'free will' is as if you're saying 'Allah has given you the freedom to do as you wish' but why give us freedom when he has clear knowledge of what we will do with that 'freedom'. Before we existed he KNEW how we would die, so he planned it before hand.

    This doesn't sound fair at all. The question seems long but it needs answering.


    We exist to worship Allah according to his decree. Just because Allah SWT knows everything does not negate the reason for our existence. Yes he has given us free will and he already knows what we are going to do again does not negate the reason for our existence. Predestination is one of the articles of our faith.

    Have a look at some articles on the net to explain further.

    you think it's a long question it's an even longer answer


    http://www.onislam.net/english/readi...tination-.html
    http://alghazzali.org/resources/articles/predest.pdf
    http://www.islamawareness.net/Fate/fate_fatwa002.html

    Hope this helps you

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  • Abu 'Abdullaah
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    Re: Concept of God: Pre-destination?

    What do you mean by 'free will'?

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  • neelu
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    We do have free will. To put it in simplistic terms, Allah (swt) let us loose on this world and gave us guidance in the form of revelations and sent Prophets (as)- the choice to follow guidance or abandon it is ours to make. Allah (swt) knows beforehand what decision we will make merely because he has knowledge of the unseen, this does not mean that He (swt) makes the decision for us or prevents us from deciding for ourselves.... then we are held accountable for the choices we make and no one is dealt with unjustly. Does that clarify things for you or do you have any further questions?

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  • itanimulli
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    Concept of God: Pre-destination?

    Concept of God: Pre-destination?

    Q: If God (Allah) truly is a 'God' in a sense that he knows EVERYTHING regardless of what it is or the circumstances of it - Then why do we exist?

    God (Allah) claims to have given us 'free will'... But with this free will he knows what choices we will choose assuming that he is in fact the 'All Knowing'.. he also knows all of our intentions before we even start to think about the subject. So why do we exist?

    We are threatened with torment in Hell yet we have no real choice in what we do or say or what we believe in, because when it all comes down to it, God (Allah) has planned for it to happen. He has planned for us to either die a Muslim or a Mushrik, he has planned for us to believe in him or not to believe in him.

    Claiming we have 'free will' is as if you're saying 'Allah has given you the freedom to do as you wish' but why give us freedom when he has clear knowledge of what we will do with that 'freedom'. Before we existed he KNEW how we would die, so he planned it before hand.

    This doesn't sound fair at all. The question seems long but it needs answering.

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