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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by coffeecat View Post
    I have a question after reading this, maybe someone can shed some light,

    Regarding "going to the taghoot for judgement"

    is there any exception in the case of necessity ? or for maqasid ?

    - For example a thief breaks into your house, can you call the police ?

    - Your house is on fire, can you call the fire brigade ?

    - Your (non-muslim) neighbor is playing loud music or some other annoyance,
    can you report it to the council or local authorities to get them to be civil ?

    - You wish to build a extension to your house, you need to get permission from the local
    authorities?

    - You live in a country where there is military conscription, you have no choice except to join
    the army in reserve. (can you do it with niya of ribat - defence of muslim lands, mosques, people, and wealth
    even if the government is not islamic but secular)
    Joining the kaafir army to help learn their secrets and help the Muslimeen war the only one i found to be permitted, otherwise its a disgusting Haraam job.

    If they force you into the army, then the Muslim needs to leave that hell hole of a nation.

    What we are witnessing nowadays though is so called Muslims proudly joining the armies of the kuffar

    As for the rest of the questions its permitted out of necessity,

    https://islamqa.info/en/92650

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك
    Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 22-05-18, 08:07 AM.

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  • coffeecat
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    I have a question after reading this, maybe someone can shed some light,

    Regarding "going to the taghoot for judgement"

    is there any exception in the case of necessity ? or for maqasid ?

    - For example a thief breaks into your house, can you call the police ?

    - Your house is on fire, can you call the fire brigade ?

    - Your (non-muslim) neighbor is playing loud music or some other annoyance,
    can you report it to the council or local authorities to get them to be civil ?

    - You wish to build a extension to your house, you need to get permission from the local
    authorities?

    - You live in a country where there is military conscription, you have no choice except to join
    the army in reserve. (can you do it with niya of ribat - defence of muslim lands, mosques, people, and wealth
    even if the government is not islamic but secular)

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  • Son of Adam
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    Islam teaches personal jihad. No where in Islam does it say to set up kingdoms and democracies and follow them rather than Sharia and Caliphate.

    Kingdoms and democracies which judge or make decisions of domestic policy and foreign policy according to any other criteria other than Islam are not Muslim but kuffar and the enemies of Allah.

    They are the Taghoot, those whom people praise and worship through following them besides following the command of Allah and His messenger, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).



    Surah (chapter) al-Ma`idah ("The Table," "The Table Spread") ayah 44
    [Qur'an 5:44]
    https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/5/44/default.htm

    Arabic
    إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَا التَّوْرَاةَ فِيهَا هُدًى وَنُورٌ يَحْكُمُ بِهَا النَّبِيُّونَ الَّذِينَ أَسْلَمُوا لِلَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالرَّبَّانِيُّونَ وَالْأَحْبَارُ بِمَا اسْتُحْفِظُوا مِن كِتَابِ اللَّهِ وَكَانُوا عَلَيْهِ شُهَدَاءَ فَلَا تَخْشَوُا النَّاسَ وَاخْشَوْنِ وَلَا تَشْتَرُوا بِآيَاتِي ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ

    Transliteration
    Inna anzalna alttawrata feeha hudan wanoorun yahkumu biha alnnabiyyoona allatheena aslamoo lillatheena hadoo waalrrabbaniyyoona waal-ahbaru bima istuhfithoo min kitabi Allahi wakanoo AAalayhi shuhadaa fala takhshawoo alnnasa waikhshawni wala tashtaroo bi-ayatee thamanan qaleelan waman lam yahkum bima anzala Allahu faola-ika humu alkafiroona

    Literal
    (Word by Word)
    Indeed, We revealed the Taurat in it (was) Guidance and light; judged by it the Prophets, those who had submitted (to Allah) for those who were Jews, and the Rabbis, and the scholars, with what they were entrusted of (the) Book (of) Allah and they were to it witnesses. So (do) not fear the people but fear Me, and (do) not sell My Verses (for) a little price. And whoever (does) not judge by what Allah has revealed, then those [they] (are) the disbelievers.

    Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning
    Muhammad Asad English Translation: Verily, it is We who bestowed from on high the Torah, wherein there was guidance and light. On `its strength did the prophets, who had surrendered themselves unto God, deliver judgment unto those who followed the Jewish faith; and so did the [early] men of God and the rabbis, inasmuch as some of God's writ had been entrusted to their care; and they [all] bore witness to its truth. Therefore, [O children of Israel,] hold not men in awe, but stand in awe of Me; and do not barter away My messages for a trifling gain: for they who do not judge in accordance with what God has bestowed from on high are, indeed, deniers of the truth!

    M. M. Pickthall English Translation: Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.

    Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) English Translation: It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.
    Last edited by Son of Adam; 27-04-18, 11:53 PM.

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  • Son of Adam
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    Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    "while hating and showing enmity to the people of Shirk"

    Many so called Muslims have no enmity to Mushrikun or their places of Shirk

    One guy took a selfie at stoneheng and I explained to him that pagan rituals take place and even showed him a recent YouTube clip, he just laughed and argued with me.

    Al Wala Wal Bara is absent amongst these coconuts
    Surah (chapter) al-Hujurat ("The Private Apartments," "The Inner Apartments") ayah (verse) 11.
    [Qur'an 49:11]
    https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/49/11/

    Arabic

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا يَسْخَرْ قَوْمٌ مِّن قَوْمٍ عَسَىٰ أَن يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِّنْهُمْ وَلَا نِسَاءٌ مِّن نِّسَاءٍ عَسَىٰ أَن يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِّنْهُنَّ وَلَا تَلْمِزُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْأَلْقَابِ بِئْسَ الِاسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الْإِيمَانِ وَمَن لَّمْ يَتُبْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

    Transliteration

    Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo la yaskhar qawmun min qawmin AAasa an yakoonoo khayran minhum wala nisaon min nisa-in AAasa an yakunna khayran minhunna wala talmizoo anfusakum wala tanabazoo bial-alqabi bi/sa al-ismu alfusooqu baAAda al-eemani waman lam yatub faola-ika humu alththalimoona

    Literal
    (Word by Word)
    O you who believe! (Let) not ridicule a people [of] (another) people, perhaps that they maybe better than them; and (let) not women [of] (other) women perhaps that they maybe better than them. And (do) not insult yourselves and (do) not call each other by nicknames. Wretched is the name (of) disobedience after the faith. And whoever (does) not repent, then those - they (are) the wrongdoers.

    Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning
    Muhammad Asad English Translation: O YOU who have attained to faith! No men shall deride [other] men: it may well be that those [whom they deride] are better than themselves; and no women [shall deride other] women: it may well be that those [whom they deride] are better than themselves. And neither shall you defame one another, nor insult one another by [opprobrious] epithets: evil is all imputation of iniquity after [one has attained to] faith; and they who [become guilty thereof and] do not repent - it is they, they who are evildoers!
    M. M. Pickthall English Translation: O ye who believe! Let not a folk deride a folk who may be better than they (are), not let women (deride) women who may be better than they are; neither defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. Bad is the name of lewdness after faith. And whoso turneth not in repentance, such are evil-doers.
    Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) English Translation: O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.



    Surah (chapter) Yusuf ("Joseph") ayah (verse) 103.
    [Qur'an 12:103]
    https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/12/103/https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/67

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  • Saif-Uddin
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    "while hating and showing enmity to the people of Shirk"

    Many so called Muslims have no enmity to Mushrikun or their places of Shirk

    One guy took a selfie at stoneheng and I explained to him that pagan rituals take place and even showed him a recent YouTube clip, he just laughed and argued with me.

    Al Wala Wal Bara is absent amongst these coconuts

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  • AbuMubarak
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    the first hijra is from haram to halal

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  • Abu julaybeeb
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    Asludeen
    kufr bit taghut wa amanu billah

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  • AdabWaAkhlaq
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    Last edited by AdabWaAkhlaq; 14-09-18, 05:42 PM.

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  • advghori
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    Re: Rejection of Taghout in order to be Muwahid

    they wish to go

    Ibn Katheer: "Allah (awj) makes inkaar (i.e. vehemently objects to) those who turn away from Allah's Shariah; the laws that are good for the Muslims; the laws that forbid what is evil. Allah rejects those who follow laws of personal desires and who adopt laws of Kufr such as the laws enforced by the Tartars who were under the control of Genghis Khan, their King. These laws were a mixture of Judaism, Christianity and laws chosen by their King which suited his desires. Should we prefer these laws over the Shariah of Allah and His Prophet (saw)?! Whoever does this is a Kafir and killing him is Wajeeb!" (Tafsir Ibn Katheer, Surah Al Maeda, 5; 50)
    "So whoever leaves the clear Shariah, which was revealed to Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, the Seal of the Prophets, and takes the Hukm to other than it from the laws of Kufr which are abrogated, he has disbelieved. So what about the one who takes the Hukm to the 'Yasiq' (the law of the Tartars which mixed Shariah rulings with invented rulings) and puts it before it?! Whoever does that, he has disbelieved by the Ijmaa' of the Muslims." (Al Bidayah wa Nihaayah, v 13, p 118-119)

    Sayings of the 'Ulama Regarding Seeking Judgement from Taghout
    OKie I read it, but you are exaggerating these rulings.

    Should I not approach the court to recover my money from someone? What about the dispute between kafir and Muslim who is living in a kaafir country?

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  • advghori
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    Re: Rejection of Taghout in order to be Muwahid

    OK

    I'll read the full article InshaAllah and post my comment.

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  • Tawhid1
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    Originally posted by advghori View Post
    Sa thing is according to Tawhid's sect anyone who goes to Court in a Kaafir country to get his right is also a Kaafir you can't even take the services of a lawyer:zzz:
    If after reading all that i have posted regarding the rejection of Taghout to be Muslim, and you still consider going to the Taghout for judgement to be permissible, then what can i say other than Truly Allah guides Whom He wills. SubhanAllah.

    The ayat regarding Tahakum ila Taghout are Muhkam-Very Clear (for those who Allah has granted understanding) and there are absolutely NO room for doubts regarding this. There is unanimous agreement amongst the classical ulama regarding the kufr and irtidat of the one who does Tahakum to Taghout. There are also countless narrations from the classical ulama regarding the Kufr of seeking judgement from the Taghout. And to quote a few:


    Imam Abu Muhammed ibn Hazm (ra) said in explaining Surah that this is more than enough for the people of understanding, who believe in Allah(swt) and the Last Day, and who are sure and certain that this is an oath that Allah (awj) has made between Himself and His servants.whoever seeks the judgment other than that of the Messenger (saw) is not a believer, and if he is not a believer, then he is a disbeliever- and there is no third way in this!Ibn Hazm stated commenting on the same ayah (An Nisa 4; 65) that Allah (swt) has sworn by Himself that one cannot be a believer until he seeks the judgment of the Prophet (saw) in everything that He (saw) came with, and then submits to it totally and bears no grudge against His (saw) judgment. The Imam clarifies that seeking judgment, and accepting and submitting the heart to the judgment, are two separate issues, and both are required to fulfill ones iman. (Al Fissal fi alMilal wa Ahwah wanNihal, 3/235)

    Sheikh Suleiman Ibn Samhankufr is worse than killing. (Surah Al Baqara 2; 191)

    Sheikh Suleiman Ibn Samhan also said that if going to the taghout for judgment is kufr, and since disputes are related to wordly matters, then how could it be possible to commit kufr in pursuit of dunya matters! Iman can never be fulfilled until Allah (awj) and His Prophet (saw) are the most loved and until we love our Prophet (saw) more than we love our children, fathers and all mankind. So if all your wordly interests are to perish, it will be an act of kufr to seek a judgment other than that of Allah (awj) and His Prophet (saw). And if you had to choose between forsaking your worldly interests and going to the taghout for judgment, it would then be obligatory upon you to relinquish your dunya, and you would never be allowed to go to the taghout for judgment. (Adorrar Assunniah)

    Imam ShawkaneeWhereas Allah (swt) had commanded RasulAllah and all the rasul before him to reject the taghout.QadiJust as the rejection of taghout means iman to Allah, there is no doubt the rejection of Allah means iman to taghoutIf anyone is interested in the issue of the kufr of Tahakum ila Taghout, then please click the link below for a detailed work:

    Seeking Judgment from Taghout


    My sect? I follow the Qur'an, Sunnah, and the classical ulama. Alhamdulillah. May Allah guide those who are sincere.

    Anyone who disagrees with the undisputable ayat of Allah, the words of RasulAllah, the consensus of the classical ulama regarding Rejection of the Taghout and Kufr of Tahakum to Taghout, then he is obliged to refute with ilm, otherwise he must submit to the haqq which is presented.

    What is left of Islam today! People ascribe to themselves Islam while submitting to Taghout and defending shirk and claiming it to be part of Tawhid! O Allah Destroy those who are at War with Islam if guidance is not their fate!



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  • advghori
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    Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
    you are gonna get arrested for copyright infringement
    Sa thing is according to Tawhid's sect anyone who goes to Court in a Kaafir country to get his right is also a Kaafir you can't even take the services of a lawyer:zzz:

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  • AbuMubarak
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  • Tawhid1
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    Re: Rejection of Taghout in order to be Muwahid

    Taking the Taghout and its supporters as awliya, sharing celebrations and holidays with them, imitating them, asking forgiveness for them are all prohibited. The rights of a Muslim do not apply to them

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