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    How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

    Salaam,

    What do you think is the right amount of water to use?

    56 - حدثنا أحمد بن منيع و علي بن حجر قالا حدثنا إسماعيل بن علية عن أبي ريحانة عن سفينة Y أن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم كان يتوضأ بالمد ويغتسل بالصاع قال وفي الباب عن عائشة و جابر و أنس بن مالك قال أبو عيسى حديث سفينة حديث حسن صحيح و أبو ريحانة اسمه عبد الله بن مطر ] وهكذا رأى بعض أهل العلم الوضء بالمد والغسل بالصاع وقال الشافعي و أحمد و إسحق ليس معنى هذا الحديث على التوقيت أنه لا يجوز أكثر منه و لا أقل منه وهو قدر ما يكفي K صحيح


    Sayyidinah Safinah (RA) narrated that the Prophet (SAW) performed ablution with a
    mudd of water and the purifying bath with a sa’ of water.


    Jami'i at Tirmidhi

    I couldn't add two polls so say how much you think for Ghusl.
    15
    About half a litre
    53.33%
    8
    About a litre
    13.33%
    2
    about 2 litres
    13.33%
    2
    about 3 litres
    13.33%
    2
    more than 4 litres
    6.67%
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    Last edited by AbuIbraheem.; 24-11-10, 11:31 AM.
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    Just in case people don't know litres - the one in the middle is half a litre and I think the one of the far right is a litre
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      #3
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      Wow Cool Bottles

      Id Say Half A Liter I Dunno :scratch:
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        #4
        Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

        Again from Tirmidhi:


        43 - باب [ ما جاء في ] كراهية الإسراف في الوضوء بالماء
        Makruh to use more water in ablution (Israaf)
        ________________________________________
        57 - حدثنا محمد بن بشار حدثنا أبو داود الطيالسي حدثنا خارجة بن مصعب عن يونس بن عبيد عن الحسن عن عتى بن ضمرة السعدي عن أبي كعب Y عن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم قال إن للوضوء شيطانا يقال له الولهان فاتقوا وسواس الماء قال وفي الباب عن عبد الله بن عمرو و عبد الله بن مغفل قال أبو عيسى حديث أبي كعب حديث غريب وليس إسناده بالقوى [ والصحيح ] عند أهل الحديث لأنا لا نعلم أحدا أسنده غير خارجة وقد روى هذا الحديث من غير وجه عن الحسن قوله و لا يصح في هذا الباب عن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم شيء و خارجة ليس بالقوى عند أصحابنا وضعفه ابن المبارك K ضعيف جدا

        Sayyidina Ubayy ibn Ka'b(RA) narrated that the Prophet (SAW) said, "There is a devil for
        ablution called Walahan. So, beware of temptations caused about water."

        Israaf is when you spend on something that you need but more than is necessary.
        BTW - A mudd is about 544g (544ml)
        A sa’ is about 2176g (2176ml)

        This is an estimate, not accurate measurements.

        The Hadith relating to that can be found in Muslim and other books.
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          I think we should take into account that the Prophet SAW and the sahabah used to make wudhu in like a pot so they kept using the same water over again, right? So the amount of water they used must have been less unlike the sinks we have now, where Allahu a3lam how much water goes down the drain.
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            #6
            Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

            Originally posted by whisperofimaan View Post
            I think we should take into account that the Prophet SAW and the sahabah used to make wudhu in like a pot so they kept using the same water over again, right? So the amount of water they used must have been less unlike the sinks we have now, where Allahu a3lam how much water goes down the drain.
            Actually the Hanafis don't allow that - I don't think it is Sunnah to use the same used water.
            From my Fiqh lessons I understand that water that has been used in Wudu cannot be used again unless it is from a big amount of water (10 litres?)
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              #7
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              Not sure, but a lot, that's for sure.
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                Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

                Originally posted by AbuHaneefah View Post
                Actually the Hanafis don't allow that - I don't think it is Sunnah to use the same used water.
                From my Fiqh lessons I understand that water that has been used in Wudu cannot be used again unless it is from a big amount of water (10 litres?)
                hmmm I don't understand why not. I meant like u have a bowl that has just been filled with water, that water can be used right? And what I learnt is that water is pure/clean and doesn't become unclean unless it's colour or smell has changed. But I think there's rules of fiqh regarding still and flowing water.
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                  #9
                  Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

                  I think I don't user 500ml for wudhu, and I don' tthink I use 2l for ghusal. For example, I think I use probably more than a liter just to rinse the soap of my hands when beginning wudhu, when it comes to the face, I probably use a liter just to wash the soap of my face and so on...

                  I am probably over doing it...
                  ...

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                    Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

                    Originally posted by whisperofimaan View Post
                    hmmm I don't understand why not. I meant like u have a bowl that has just been filled with water, that water can be used right? And what I learnt is that water is pure/clean and doesn't become unclean unless it's colour or smell has changed. But I think there's rules of fiqh regarding still and flowing water.
                    You shouldn't re-use wudu water, even though it's still technically clean.
                    So, say, if you're making wudu and some of it splashes on the person next to you, his wudu is valid, but that doesn't mean you can keep using that water.
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                      Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

                      I can manage (after much practise lol) to do wudhu using one and a half of these:


                      Although ideally would like to cut it down to one :up: Water is wasted by us all the time, people leave it running when they perform wudhu, brush teeth, wash face, wash dishes...every drop that is being wasted is so precious to those who have nothing but diseased dirty water to drink and give to their thirsty children and babies :(

                      We are so accustomed to clean water we don't even realise how much we waste. For example people wash their salad/ fruit; put a bowl underneath to collect the water that runs off it and use it in the garden? There are so many ways to save water!
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                        Re: How much water should we use for Wudu / Ghusl?

                        Originally posted by AbuHaneefah View Post
                        Actually the Hanafis don't allow that - I don't think it is Sunnah to use the same used water.
                        From my Fiqh lessons I understand that water that has been used in Wudu cannot be used again unless it is from a big amount of water (10 litres?)
                        Same for Shafi's.

                        And a large ammount of water for us (shafi's) is 216 litres ...
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                          That's large! How come people are posting and not voting then?
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                            #14
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                            other than the cost of water, why is it important not to waste water. in the uk all household water is recycled and sent back to the households. so it's difficult to waste.
                            ...

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                              #15
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                              Originally posted by nami View Post
                              other than the cost of water, why is it important not to waste water. in the uk all household water is recycled and sent back to the households. so it's difficult to waste.
                              1. Using excessive amounts of water is wasteful. Wastefulness (israf) is blameworthy in wudu, as the sunna is to use a moderate amount of water. [`Ala' al-Din Abidin, al-Hadiyya al-`Ala'iyya]

                              Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol 1, Pg No: 34, there is another Hadith:

                              Translation: It has been narrated on the authority of Hadhrat Abdullah bin 'Umar (May Allah be well pleased with both of them), that the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) passed by a person performing wudu. He (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) said: Do not waste (water), do not use more water than you need it.
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