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    Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

    Without religion I would make decisions based on what I feel best. And I would not make evil decisions

    Not having a religion is just making me confused like I should have one, but in fact, what is the benefit of it? and What if it is not true then you just believed in a fairytale like a lunatic and wasted your precious time praying in vain, or looking at the world through a fairytale story which is unreal?

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    Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

    Well, the first obvious benefit is being saved from hellfire.

    You shouldn't view Islam as just a set of rules to abide by.
    "Had Allah lifted the veil for his slave and shown him how He handles his affairs for him, and how Allah is more keen for the benefit of the slave than his own self, his heart would have melted out of the love for Allah and would have been torn to pieces out of thankfulness to Allah. Therefore if the pains of this world tire you do not grieve. For it may be that Allah wishes to hear your voice by way of duaa. So pour out your desires in prostration and forget about it and know; that verily Allah does not forget it."
    - Ibn al Qayyim (rahimahullah)

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      #3
      Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

      yes but what if its not real? then I did all those rules for no reason

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        #4
        Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

        In that case then all you did was for no reason. You had no reason to stay alive and eat meal after meal and go to sleep or watch TV, it makes no difference. Even if you just take a pot shot at face value and pick a religion randomly while you know nothing about the religions of the world, if, like most religions in the world claim, there is an afterlife and you are judged by your deeds to then be put into a better place or a worse place accordingly, you gave it a shot to the best of your knowledge, and you have a chance to fare well. But there's no excuse for laziness in any religion, and any sentient being can figure that out, whether it be Anubis, Yama, Minos, Radamanthus, Hel or whatever other being other religions say judge you after you die.

        And the "I would choose based on what I feel without religion" - you do that about religion to begin with, and follow the one which is in tune with reality if you're honest, but in tune with you if you're egotistic. And if you're honest, you know that you are not right about everything.
        Last edited by Thunderstorm; 13-08-17, 06:35 PM.
        Say what somebody can do instead of the haram if you want to help.

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          #5
          Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

          Originally posted by BibleORQuran View Post
          yes but what if its not real? then I did all those rules for no reason
          Obviously you'd do the research required and then you either believe in the message or you don't. We muslims are convinced that Islam is the truth, so for us it only makes sense to follow this beautiful religion.
          رَّبِّ ارْحَمْهُمَا كَمَا رَبَّيَانِي صَغِيرًا

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            #6
            Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

            Originally posted by BibleORQuran View Post
            Without religion I would make decisions based on what I feel best. And I would not make evil decisions

            Not having a religion is just making me confused like I should have one, but in fact, what is the benefit of it? and What if it is not true then you just believed in a fairytale like a lunatic and wasted your precious time praying in vain, or looking at the world through a fairytale story which is unreal?
            sister,if you look around the vastness of the universe,the billions of galaxies floating around,it points to a creator,a single creator which is uncreated.these stuff (stars,galaxies,planets) dont just come out of nowhere.now if you believe there is a creator,then after life exists,heaven/pradise/jannah or hell is a real place just like the oortcloud is a real place.life is an illusion,it is short and non-permanent,afterlife is for eternity.
            رَّبِّ اغْفِرْ وَارْحَمْ وَأَنتَ خَيْرُ الرَّاحِمِينَ1

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              #7
              Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

              Originally posted by BibleORQuran View Post
              Without religion I would make decisions based on what I feel best. And I would not make evil decisions

              Not having a religion is just making me confused like I should have one, but in fact, what is the benefit of it? and What if it is not true then you just believed in a fairytale like a lunatic and wasted your precious time praying in vain, or looking at the world through a fairytale story which is unreal?
              What would be your benchmark of good and evil? I mean without religion, where would you decide what was good and what was bad?

              When you say wasted your time, what else would you be doing with your time? I'd like to know specifically what you would do, not just say that you would be enjoying life.

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                #8
                Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                sometimes i think that prostitutes like the op are the problem
                "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
                me - 2017

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                  #9
                  Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                  Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah ? Then will you not be reminded?

                  45 23
                  It may not be easy, you may not understand it, but you need to have the Imaan to trust Allah when life doesn't make sense.
                  "Whoever intends eternal happiness, then let him hold tight to the threshold of servitude.” ibn Taymiyyah.

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                    #10
                    Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                    Originally posted by BibleORQuran View Post
                    Without religion I would make decisions based on what I feel best. And I would not make evil decisions

                    Not having a religion is just making me confused like I should have one, but in fact, what is the benefit of it? and What if it is not true then you just believed in a fairytale like a lunatic and wasted your precious time praying in vain, or looking at the world through a fairytale story which is unreal?
                    Troll Alert! Brothers and sisters,

                    First this person was asking ...

                    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...r-Christianity

                    Now she's claiming Religion is the problem,

                    http://www.ilovepalestine.com/campai...imesinGaza.gif

                    "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

                    – Imam al-Shafi’i (Rahimahullah)

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                      #11
                      Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                      Hey! Asalaamu-Alaikum brother! Can you imagine the world without Religion (Islam)? Just take a look in the history of mankind, at the times when there wasn’t a Messenger sent to a group of people by Allah, haven’t you see the kind of lifestyle they were living?

                      Let’s take the Arabs for instance, before Islam, they were compulsive gamblers. The relations of the sexes were extremely loose. Many women sold sex to make their living since there was little else they could do. These women flew flags on their houses, and were called “ladies of the flags”. Idol worshipping was also rampant where they shed human blood just for sacrifices.

                      That was their lifestyle without a proper religion (Islam)!

                      And when we also relate it to today’s world among the atheists and the agnostics who believed that there is no Allah. They think that man lives for himself and for the pleasures of this life. What happens when life turns sure for them? Because they don’t believe in Allah or Religion, can’t you see that the largest number of suicides takes place amongst them. Look at Japan for instance!

                      So what you need to ask yourself is where were you before you were born. And why are you here right now? And where will you be going after you die? It’s something every body both believers and non-believers should know. Don’t just sit idle and said religion is the problem. There are many resources to help you to discover the truth about religion or Islam to be specific.

                      There is no doubt that religion, in this case, Islam, is the only solution for the solution of mankind both in this world and hereafter.

                      I don’t know if you are a Muslim. There is an article on 3 things every Muslim should know. But I think it’ll be helpful for both Muslims and non-Muslims, whatever you are, please check out the link below.

                      3 things Muslims should know – Who you are, your purpose of life and your destination

                      Jazakallah Khairan Katheeran.

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                        #12
                        Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                        Originally posted by magok View Post
                        sometimes i think that prostitutes like the op are the problem

                        You are absolutely correct !! Lost souls like them blame everyone and everything EXCEPT themselves.

                        Fact is you can’t even blame Satan, let alone blame God, for your actions and problems because on the Day of Judgement, Satan will say “I have no authority over you, I only invited you and you responded. So, don’t blame me but blame yourself.” – Quran 14:22

                        “Indeed. Allah does not wrong the people at all, but it’s the people who are wrongdoing themselves” – Quran 10:44

                        “A person’s own folly leads to their ruin, yet their heart rages against the Lord.” – Proverbs 19:3

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                          #13
                          Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                          Originally posted by JerryMyers View Post
                          You are absolutely correct !! Lost souls like them blame everyone and everything EXCEPT themselves.

                          Fact is you can’t even blame Satan, let alone blame God, for your actions and problems because on the Day of Judgement, Satan will say “I have no authority over you, I only invited you and you responded. So, don’t blame me but blame yourself.” – Quran 14:22

                          “Indeed. Allah does not wrong the people at all, but it’s the people who are wrongdoing themselves” – Quran 10:44

                          “A person’s own folly leads to their ruin, yet their heart rages against the Lord.” – Proverbs 19:3
                          a real inspiration are the native americans

                          yes many of them are not monotheists and the others are christians but look at how they still have faith even after they almost went extinct, but a "civilized" man will get his faith shaken from a thunderstorm
                          "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
                          me - 2017

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                            #14
                            Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                            Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
                            Troll Alert! Brothers and sisters,

                            First this person was asking ...

                            http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...r-Christianity

                            Now she's claiming Religion is the problem,

                            Our Trolldar was right, even the mods have agreed and banned them. Watch out for a pathetic new member joining the forums any time now, in attempt to make themselves feel like they've accomplished something with their lives by trolling Muslims.

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                              #15
                              Re: Sometimes I think RELIGION is the problem

                              A troll is a troll. This one just got the discussion started and then got banned. It's funny,wlmost, but it's also very sad.
                              The Ok wasn't going to attempt to answer anyway.
                              Last edited by Fareed52; 19-08-17, 05:15 PM.

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