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    #76
    Re: Kill All the Polytheists , Did the Verse 9:5 , say So ?

    Originally posted by dsr478 View Post
    Don't call him the Jahil when you deny a basic Islamic principle, mentioned by Ibn Kathir in this tafsir (arguably the greatest tafsir we have)..
    Sad thing is that he doesn't even remember that I added to him to my "Ignore List" some time back. That is why I don't respond to his posts.

    I saw part of his message in your quote of his post and it made me smile.

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      #77
      Re: Kill All the Polytheists , Did the Verse 9:5 , say So ?

      Originally posted by dsr478 View Post
      Don't call him the Jahil when you deny a basic Islamic principle, mentioned by Ibn Kathir in this tafsir (arguably the greatest tafsir we have).
      Only a Jahil will not call him Jahil for his claims not to spread knowledge just going against all books of islam and his most respected scholar shaik Uthaymeen. Let him & you learn knowledge thats beneficial from the Glorious Quran and hadith (sunnah) and sahabas and tabein and tabe tabeein ONLY about Whom Prophet had guaranteed about , which more than 10 hadith from even different collectors confirm about. Hijacking the words of scholars who came after 600 years ARE NOTHING when compared to Proof From Our Roots. from sunnah hadith, & sahabas & tabeiin. so just dua to Allah to give you knowledge thats beneficial as Hadiths ordered us .

      Can you enlighten us with that dude ''basic islamic principle '' ? :D

      Eager to learn from you dear ;)
      Last edited by talibilm09; 08-10-17, 02:08 PM.
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        #78
        Re: Kill All the Polytheists , Did the Verse 9:5 , say So ?

        Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
        Only a Jahil will not call him Jahil for his claims not to spread knowledge just going against all books of islam and his most respected scholar shaik Uthaymeen. Let him & you learn knowledge thats beneficial from the Glorious Quran and hadith (sunnah) and sahabas and tabein and tabe tabeein ONLY about Whom Prophet had guaranteed about , which more than 10 hadith from even different collectors confirm about. Hijacking the words of scholars who came after 600 years ARE NOTHING when compared to Proof From Our Roots. from sunnah hadith, & sahabas & tabeiin. so just dua to Allah to give you knowledge thats beneficial as Hadiths ordered us .

        Can you enlighten us with that dude ''basic islamic principle '' ? :D

        Eager to learn from you dear ;)
        The basic Islamic principle is offensive Jihad. This is how the Caliphate expanded.

        Without offensive Jihad, Islam would not have spread the way it did. People like you are thick and don't seem to understand that the religion can only be spread to certain people by force.

        Munafiqoon like you are so eager to cosy up to the kuffar, and go against what the Messenger of Allah and the rightly guided Caliphs did.

        Offensive Jihad not only converts people, it also liberates them. My people converted to Islam and we're freed from the disgusting system of Hinduism, which treated anyone who wasn't in the upper class as disposable. If offensive Jihad didn't exist, I'd likely still he the whipping boy of some upper class Hindu dog. I (like many) was freed from this backwards system through offensive Jihad.

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          #79
          Re: Kill All the Polytheists , Did the Verse 9:5 , say So ?

          Originally posted by dsr478 View Post
          The basic Islamic principle is offensive Jihad. This is how the Caliphate expanded.

          Without offensive Jihad, Islam would not have spread the way it did. People like you are thick and don't seem to understand that the religion can only be spread to certain people by force.

          Munafiqoon like you are so eager to cosy up to the kuffar, and go against what the Messenger of Allah and the rightly guided Caliphs did.

          Offensive Jihad not only converts people, it also liberates them. My people converted to Islam and we're freed from the disgusting system of Hinduism, which treated anyone who wasn't in the upper class as disposable. If offensive Jihad didn't exist, I'd likely still he the whipping boy of some upper class Hindu dog. I (like many) was freed from this backwards system through offensive Jihad.
          Dear let me go to fajar salah first inshallah and give you proofs how right you are and how wrong am I ?

          But proofs from ibn Kathir please ? ( If YOU ARE NOT A LIAR )

          No Muslim refuses the importance of Jihad that will stay in Islam untill the last days as in hadith see my threads i have quoted them many times . But what is Jihad you have to understand it first BY AT LEAST GOING this thread and see how Islam flourished (sura fath & PONDER ) . .and those Jihads what Muslims have done you should understand how they were derived and for what .? Islam was not spread by sword , refer top the old thread here.

          You have to decide first whether you like to listen Allah and :Prophet or your ego & understanding if you want to flourish in Akirah.

          Are you sure you will die as a Muslim or a kaffir ? when you call hypocrite a muslim bro that reverts back to you.

          So i know who you are and also who I am , but i will give you the benefit of doubt that every Muslim deserves (by hadith) and hope you had done you circumcission. by now as i already know you are just a boy who entered Islam by your rhetoric and ilm.
          Last edited by talibilm09; 08-10-17, 10:17 PM.
          My sect - No Sect

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            #80
            Re: Kill All the Polytheists , Did the Verse 9:5 , say So ?

            Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
            Dear let me go to fajar salah first inshallah and give you proofs how right you are and how wrong am I ?

            But proofs from ibn Kathir please ? ( If YOU ARE NOT A LIAR )

            No Muslim refuses the importance of Jihad that will stay in Islam untill the last days as in hadith see my threads i have quoted them many times . But what is Jihad you have to understand it first BY AT LEAST GOING this thread and see how Islam flourished (sura fath & PONDER ) . .and those Jihads what Muslims have done you should understand how they were derived and for what .? Islam was not spread by sword , refer top the old thread here.

            You have to decide first whether you like to listen Allah and :Prophet or your ego & understanding if you want to flourish in Akirah.

            Are you sure you will die as a Muslim or a kaffir ? when you call hypocrite a muslim bro that reverts back to you.

            So i know who you are and also who I am , but i will give you the benefit of doubt that every Muslim deserves (by hadith) and hope you had done you circumcission. by now as i already know you are just a boy who entered Islam by your rhetoric and ilm.
            http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=2581

            You understand Jihad is important. I was wrong to accuse you of not believing in it, and I apologise for doing so.

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              #81
              Re: Kill All the Polytheists , Did the Verse 9:5 , say So ?

              Originally posted by dsr478 View Post

              Offensive Jihad not only converts people, it also liberates them. My people converted to Islam and we're freed from the disgusting system of Hinduism, which treated anyone who wasn't in the upper class as disposable. If offensive Jihad didn't exist, I'd likely still he the whipping boy of some upper class Hindu dog. I (like many) was freed from this backwards system through offensive Jihad.
              So you have brought eeman because some one liberated you from oppressors . Its ok but bring the right eeman, Inshallah from our Glorious Quran and hadith

              Its like someone saying he picked me up from tsunami from being killed so I trust his religion. It s ok alhamdulilah , if its Islam but try to understand the real eeman and true Islam .

              Originally posted by dsr478 View Post
              http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=2581

              You understand Jihad is important. I was wrong to accuse you of not believing in it, and I apologise for doing so.
              I have been describing the CONTEXT of the same verse again and again so many times in this thread saying its the new law for the kuffar ONLY living in Mecca to vacate or face consequences. If Prophet :saw2: want to do ethnic cleaning like people with ideas like you and Abunajm do then there will not be a single kaffir there . but the fact is there were 14 million coptics (kaffirs ) in the ME, is a enough proof for the VALIDITY & GENUINITY of this thread.

              This is what Mufti Menk (who studied in Medina) reiterated that that particular Ayah 9:5 applies there only ( around kaaba) those times and it abrogated protection treaties with ONLY them in case they do not move out after 4 months grace time.

              Are you doing something against the greatest Khaifa of islam Umar :RA: did through whom Allah gave Islam dominance, who is the ever greatest Jihadist. watch about him here and his traits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3JRs9_jvB8


              When he did not opt ethnic cleansing and Even Allah and his Prophet were against it. Do you think Allah want to kill
              all kafirs or Allah did not want to have kafirs in this world ? of course not , Like Allah created darkness to distinguish from
              light and bad stink against good fragrance Allah created Kafirs too as he decreed as There are many verses of glorious Quran on it.


              But even according to you if you take 9:5 abrogates the earlier contracts do not forget the next verse of 9:6 of escorting themto their place of safety iow to their own community ( So this proves their pagan kaffir community was there existing in tact BUT OUTSIDE MECCA)How are you going to escort them if have killed ?

              But this life is test to the kaffirs, whether he searches his Lord Allah and come backs to him and similarly this life is a test to Muslimlike us from people like you and misguiders. Though people like you would like to kill us but given an option Muslims like us will never kill another Muslim EXCEPT where by the Had by a Sharia court in a 100 % Shari law country. Inshallah we will see who'son the Right path when we close our eyes for good sooner or later , as allah wills



              Protect yourselves being brain washed by Liars like [MENTION=3349]AbuNajm[/MENTION] i can point him to many lies here in this thread #27) and he claims that i am in his ignore liast but comes and quotes me in post # 15 here

              http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...t=#post7464536

              & post # 8 here

              http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...lar-Please-jzk

              I really doubtful who he is when he is trying to pull me back or pull my legs down when I am fighting a shia in the above thread who slanders our Mother Aysha :RA: about mutilating Al Hassan :RA: dead body with a fake hadith and am trying to defend in the ''CONTEXT'' of hadith prohibited us from mutilating dead bodies even on the battle field.

              is this abunajm a shia ?? we do not know who's writing behind the boards. But Inshallah Allah is enough to care of these trouble makers.


              And now he cant answer my questions regarding hadith when he claims I quote his claim from the thread of Albani

              ''
              I've studied Ulum al-Hadith extensively and I don't "just take the opinion" of anyone in Hadith.''


              He claims does not require any muhaddith since he's already studied Ulum al hadith. (I do not call him a hypocrite or a shia yet but some of his traits point to as) the glorious Quran did say something like its the trait of Hypocrites to enjoin bad and obstruct good when Abunajm tells me to stop my answering questions to the askers here who have no aalim here to reply them and I am doing which am sure about and its my Duty from my Nabi to do so. By the grace and help of Allah i started listening to tafsirs in my early teens from someone whom muslims then back bited his as a wahhabi Scholar. I was asking my doubts from aalimthen i was close to them and kept reading translations from then and hadith slowly but steadily and the sincerity and piety that Allah had bestowed me had propelled me in Islam with salah 5 times from then. I did dawah to islam to my class mates who 90% were hindu.

              is this liar, some knowledgeable shia trying to create problems in a sunni site ? Allah u aalam. an knowledgeable will never be arrogant and a liar. though he says he converted to islam when was 21 .
              Last edited by talibilm09; 09-10-17, 01:27 AM.
              My sect - No Sect

              My Aqeedah - http://legacy.quran.com/112 ( The Aqeedah of Sahabas)

              Just a Muslim

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