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    #16
    Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

    Originally posted by Kobak View Post
    Most of the books of the Bible were not written by the persons whose name is attributed to them.
    How do you know that and what is your source?

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      #17
      Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

      Originally posted by AJ4u View Post
      How do you know that and what is your source?
      I know that because I've read about it in books, mostly in my language that probably you won't find. I've also read the Bible, and for example, Moses couldn't have written about his own death by logic. Based on analyses of the original texts, several parts of certain books were added later, and in any case, the books were compiled at different times, usually centuries after the time they were talking about.

      But you can look it up on wikipedia, it doesn't take much effort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

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        #18
        Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

        Originally posted by Kobak View Post
        I know that because I've read about it in books, mostly in my language that probably you won't find. I've also read the Bible, and for example, Moses couldn't have written about his own death by logic. Based on analyses of the original texts, several parts of certain books were added later, and in any case, the books were compiled at different times, usually centuries after the time they were talking about.

        But you can look it up on wikipedia, it doesn't take much effort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible
        Since we don't know who wrote parts of the Bible, should we be concerned about that or should we trust God gave us the good news in his time and way?

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          #19
          Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

          Originally posted by AJ4u View Post
          Since we don't know who wrote parts of the Bible, should we be concerned about that or should we trust God gave us the good news in his time and way?
          I didn't say I'm concerned about that.

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            #20
            Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

            Originally posted by Kobak View Post
            I didn't say I'm concerned about that.
            I didn't say you were concerned about it; so who do you think wrote Matthew if not Matthew? Matthew is the first and very significant book of the gospel

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              #21
              Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

              Originally posted by AJ4u View Post
              How do you know that and what is your source?
              Christians believe that the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) were written by those whose names appear in the title of the books. Most also believe that they were written in the same order as they appear in the Bible.

              The Truth is …

              Even though the Gospels go under the names of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they were, in fact, written anonymously. These names first appeared in the second century and were assigned to the anonymous writings to give the writings apostolic authority. The Gospel of Mark was written before any of the other canonical gospels and was written after the fall of the second temple which occurred in 70 CE.

              The Gospel of Mark is the most important of the synoptic gospels because it is the primary source for Matthew and Luke. Seventy six percent of Mark is reproduced almost word-for-word in both Matthew and Luke. An additional 18% of Mark is reproduced in Matthew but not in Luke, and an further 3% of Mark is in Luke but not in Matthew. This means that 97% of Mark is reproduced in Matthew and/or Luke.

              Matthew contains 606 of Mark’s 661 verses. Luke contains 320 of Mark’s 661 verses. Of the 55 verses of Mark which Matthew does not reproduce, Luke reproduces 31; therefore there are only 24 verses in all of Mark not reproduced somewhere in Matthew or Luke.

              http://thechurchoftruth.files.wordpr...pels.jpg?w=940

              So, Who Wrote Mark and What Were His Sources?

              Not even the Bible claims that Mark was an eye witness to Jesus’ ministry. Modern, non Christian biblical scholars believe that the gospel of Mark was written in Syria by an unknown Christian no earlier than AD 70, using various sources including a passion narrative (probably written), collections of miracles stories (oral or written), apocalyptic traditions (probably written), and disputations and didactic sayings (some possibly written). These stories were in circulation year after year, told in different languages and in different countries from that of Jesus.

              That’s it. The source for the gospel of Mark is other peoples’ stories and writings. In other words, all of Mark’s sources were at best, second hand, more likely fifth or sixth hand. What happens to stories that circulate orally for years? Obviously, they come to be changed in the retelling. Thus, the source for much of the synoptic gospels is no more than hearsay.

              Apologists dismiss the charge of “hearsay” by pointing to the strength of the “oral tradition”. The simple childhood game of “Telephone” is sufficient to illustrate the point that stories told mouth to mouth for 35 years or more can’t possibly retain their original content.

              Who Wrote Matthew and What Were The Sources?

              By the end of the 2nd century the tradition of Matthew the tax-collector had become widely accepted, and the line “The Gospel According to Matthew” began to be added to manuscripts. For many reasons scholars today believe otherwise—fifty five percent of the gospel is copied from Mark, and it seems unlikely that an eyewitness of Jesus’ ministry would need to rely on others for information about it. They believe instead that it was written between about 80–90 AD by a highly educated Jew, intimately familiar with the technical aspects of Jewish law, standing on the boundary between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values.

              A widespread theory holds that the author drew on three primary sources, each representing a distinct community: a hypothetical collection, or several collections, of sayings (called “Q“, and shared with Luke); the Gospel of Mark; and material unique to Matthew (called “M”, some of which may have originated with Matthew himself).

              He wrote for a Jewish audience: like “Q” and “M”, he stresses the continuing relevance of the Jewish law; unlike Mark he never bothers to explain Jewish customs; and unlike Luke, who traces Jesus’s ancestry back to Adam, father of the human race, he traces it only to Abraham, father of the Jews. The fact that his linage differs significantly from that of Luke is a real problem for those who claim that the Holy Spirit’s hand guided the writers of the gospels.

              The content of “M” suggests that the community for which this gospel was written, was stricter than the others in its attitude to keeping the Jewish law, holding that they must exceed the scribes and the Pharisees in “righteousness” (adherence to Jewish law); and of the three only “M” refers to a “church” (ecclesia), an organised group with rules for keeping order. Biblical scholars generally hold that Matthew was composed between the years c. 70 and 100.

              for more http://thechurchoftruth.wordpress.co...-luke-or-john/
              Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

              The Questions you Questioned will be Questioned in the day of judgement

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                #22
                Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                Originally posted by Hate Racism View Post
                http://time.com/118522/pope-corrects...-speak-hebrew/

                learn from Pope which language Jesus pbuh spoke

                “Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew,” Netanyahu said, discussing the strong connection between Judaism and Christianity.

                Pope Francis looked up and slightly pointed his finger. “Aramaic,” he corrected.

                Now you still failed to provide a book written by Jesus pbuh that says pray to him?
                You know greek?

                Matt 5,22
                egw de legw umin oti paV o orgizomenoV tw adelfw autou eikh enocoV estai th krisei oV d an eiph tw adelfw autou raka enocoV estai tw sunedriw oV d an eiph mwre enocoV estai eiV thn geennan tou puroV

                Luke 16 9-13

                kagw umin legw poihsate eautoiV filouV ek tou mamwna thV adikiaV ina otan ekliphte dexwntai umaV eiV taV aiwniouV skhnaV

                oudeiV oikethV dunatai dusi kurioiV douleuein h gar ton ena mishsei kai ton eteron agaphsei h enoV anqexetai kai tou eterou katafronhsei ou dunasqe qew douleuein kai mamwna

                (mammōnás) is probably an Aramaic term, related to the Hebrew term ̓aman ("to trust," J. Thayer).

                Go in peace and study more.

                PS: Pope's text without context is reason to heresy.
                For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths.

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                  #23
                  Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                  book written by Jesus? I failed to provide?

                  Man, don't make me laugh. Go and seek my posts.
                  For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths.

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                    #24
                    Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                    Originally posted by kepha View Post
                    You know greek?

                    Matt 5,22
                    egw de legw umin oti paV o orgizomenoV tw adelfw autou eikh enocoV estai th krisei oV d an eiph tw adelfw autou raka enocoV estai tw sunedriw oV d an eiph mwre enocoV estai eiV thn geennan tou puroV

                    Luke 16 9-13

                    kagw umin legw poihsate eautoiV filouV ek tou mamwna thV adikiaV ina otan ekliphte dexwntai umaV eiV taV aiwniouV skhnaV

                    oudeiV oikethV dunatai dusi kurioiV douleuein h gar ton ena mishsei kai ton eteron agaphsei h enoV anqexetai kai tou eterou katafronhsei ou dunasqe qew douleuein kai mamwna

                    (mammōnás) is probably an Aramaic term, related to the Hebrew term ̓aman ("to trust," J. Thayer).

                    Go in peace and study more.

                    PS: Pope's text without context is reason to heresy.
                    ???????????????
                    Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

                    The Questions you Questioned will be Questioned in the day of judgement

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                      #25
                      Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                      lol whats the big deal with the word raca? How many years after death of Jesus did Mathews book get written?
                      Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

                      The Questions you Questioned will be Questioned in the day of judgement

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                        #26
                        Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                        Gospels don't claim to be written by eye witnesses
                        the titles mathew etc were added by editors later not originally by authors
                        non of the gospels claims to be written by the person it bears, don't claim to be written by mathew etc
                        Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

                        The Questions you Questioned will be Questioned in the day of judgement

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                          #27
                          Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                          Originally posted by Hate Racism View Post
                          Gospels don't claim to be written by eye witnesses
                          the titles mathew etc were added by editors later not originally by authors
                          non of the gospels claims to be written by the person it bears, don't claim to be written by mathew etc
                          Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to draw up a narrative concerning those matters which have been fulfilled among us,
                          even as they delivered them unto us, who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word,
                          it seemed good to me also, having traced the course of all things accurately from the first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus;
                          that thou mightest know the certainty concerning the things wherein thou wast instructed.

                          John 19,35 And he that hath seen hath borne witness, and his witness is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye also may believe.
                          For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths.

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                            #28
                            Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                            ???????????????
                            lol whats the big deal with the word raca? How many years after death of Jesus did Mathews book get written?
                            This one reason because i feel sorry for you. Your knowledge is very poor.
                            Seems you are an ex-protestant that embraced islam recently
                            For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths.

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                              #29
                              Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                              Originally posted by kepha View Post
                              This one reason because i feel sorry for you. Your knowledge is very poor.
                              Seems you are an ex-protestant that embraced islam recently
                              :rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:: rofl1::rofl1:
                              Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

                              The Questions you Questioned will be Questioned in the day of judgement

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                                #30
                                Re: Who wrote Matthew ? Who wrote Luke ?

                                Originally posted by kepha View Post
                                Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to draw up a narrative concerning those matters which have been fulfilled among us,
                                even as they delivered them unto us, who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word,
                                it seemed good to me also, having traced the course of all things accurately from the first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus;
                                that thou mightest know the certainty concerning the things wherein thou wast instructed.

                                John 19,35 And he that hath seen hath borne witness, and his witness is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye also may believe.
                                omg, is this what you bring out to prove to me that the titles Mathew, Luke etc were not added later by editors

                                we expect a historical reference or a research article. not a childish out of context quoting

                                first time anybody refers to mathew or luke or john by name is iraneas in the year 180 which is about 100 years after these books were written
                                Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

                                The Questions you Questioned will be Questioned in the day of judgement

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