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    #46
    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Originally posted by Serada View Post
    Pythagoras (6th century B.C.) is generally credited with having first suggested a round Earth. Aristotle (4th century B.C.) agreed and supported the theory with observations such as that the southern constellations rise higher in the sky when a person travels south. He also noted that during a lunar eclipse, the Earth’s shadow is round.

    Roman Ptolemy added to the collected wisdom. He observed that as a man approached a far off mountain, it appeared to grow out of the ground – a clear indication of a curved surface. He later devised the forerunner of modern-day longitude and latitude, including measuring what we now call latitude from the equator.

    Eratosthenes (276-194BC) was the one that figured it out as he was the first to have recorded the approximate circumference of the earth and was only off by 1 %.
    You would be knowing that the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth on which Galileo objected to the Church and was imprisoned by the Vatican on heresy charges.

    Surprised you praise Ptolemy
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      #47
      Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

      Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
      You would be knowing that the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth on which Galileo objected to the Church and was imprisoned by the Vatican on heresy charges.
      talibilm09

      That is wrong. The Bible doesn't say what you just wrote. You might mislead those who is not familiar with Bible, but those who knows Bible will smile on your comments as you wrote a joke. : )
      Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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        #48
        Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

        Originally posted by Causative View Post
        talibilm09

        That is wrong. The Bible doesn't say what you just wrote. You might mislead those who is not familiar with Bible, but those who knows Bible will smile on your comments as you wrote a joke. : )
        Causative

        Ok , then Why was Galilieo was imprisoned on heresy charges by the Vatican ?
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          #49
          Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

          Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
          Causative

          Ok , then Why was Galilieo was imprisoned on heresy charges by the Vatican ?
          Causative

          So No answer,, let me give an answer by wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

          ''In the Catholic world prior to Galileo's conflict with the Church, the majority of educated people subscribed to the Aristotelian geocentric view that the earth was the center of the universe and that all heavenly bodies revolved around the Earth,[11] though Copernican theories were used to reform the calendar in 1582.[12]

          Geostaticism agreed with a literal interpretation of Scripture in several places, such as 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5 (in contrast with Job 26:7). Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet, which along with all the others revolved around the Sun, contradicted both geocentrism and the prevailing theological support of the theory.[citation needed]

          One of the first suggestions of heresy that Galileo had to deal with came in 1613 from a professor of philosophy, poet and specialist in Greek literature, Cosimo Boscaglia.[13][14] In conversation with Galileo's patron Cosimo II de' Medici and Cosimo's mother Christina of Lorraine, Boscaglia said that the telescopic discoveries were valid, but that the motion of the Earth was obviously contrary to Scripture......................................... ....''

          So You had unintentionally lied , Causative or you are ignorant of your ex religion ?
          , but now I am smiling mate ;)
          My sect - No Sect

          My Aqeedah - http://legacy.quran.com/112 ( The Aqeedah of Sahabas)

          Just a Muslim

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            #50
            Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

            Originally posted by Qlaic View Post
            In short, no.
            im just curious have you read the quran? and im talking cover to cover sit down and read it not grab a few verses off some orientalist website
            It may not be easy, you may not understand it, but you need to have the Imaan to trust Allah when life doesn't make sense.
            "Whoever intends eternal happiness, then let him hold tight to the threshold of servitude.” ibn Taymiyyah.

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              #51
              Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

              Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
              the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth
              talibilm09

              I thought you would jump up as you do all the time and would say something. I was right, you have jumped up but you could NOT quote from the Bible where it says "that the Earth was the centre of the universe". Looks like you are confused. In not, you copied someone's lie. I suggest you to do proper research when you make false allegations about the God's word. If you believe in God then be humble. If you attac God's word and make false allegations about it God will punish your activities. So you have a choice. Choose one or other. I would like to see you choyto be humble, although I doubt you will accept my suggestion. Anyway, your comments only proof that you don't have sufficient knowledge in Bible as in Qur'an. It is in a way sad to see some one jumping up all the time instead to do research humbly and let knowledge to give him wisdom.
              You also should recall yourself that by acting in behalf of Islam and Muslim, your activities in this forum doesn't bring any good to yourself and your beliefs. Brother, humble yourself. You are just a human, dust as everyone.
              Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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                #52
                Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/st...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by talibilm09 http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/st...post-right.png
                the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth



                talibilm09

                I thought/expected you would jump up as you do all the time and would say something. I was right, you have jumped up but you could NOT quote from the Bible where it says "that the Earth was the centre of the universe". Looks like you are confused. If not, you copied someone's lie. I suggest you to do proper research when you make false allegations about God's word. If you believe in God then be humble. If you attac God's word and make false allegations about it God will punish your activities. So you have a choice. Choose one or other. I would like to see you choose to be humble, although I doubt you will accept my suggestion. Anyway, your comments only prove that you don't have sufficient knowledge in Bible as in Qur'an. It is in a way sad to see some one jumping up all the time instead to do research humbly and let knowledge to give him direction and wisdom.
                You also should recall yourself that by acting in behalf of Islam and Muslim, your activities in this forum doesn't bring any good to yourself and your beliefs. Brother, humble yourself. You are just a human, dust as everyone.
                Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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                  #53
                  Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                  Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
                  Causative

                  So No answer,, let me give an answer by wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

                  ''In the Catholic world prior to Galileo's conflict with the Church, the majority of educated people subscribed to the Aristotelian geocentric view that the earth was the center of the universe and that all heavenly bodies revolved around the Earth,[11] though Copernican theories were used to reform the calendar in 1582.[12]

                  Geostaticism agreed with a literal interpretation of Scripture in several places, such as 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5 (in contrast with Job 26:7). Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet, which along with all the others revolved around the Sun, contradicted both geocentrism and the prevailing theological support of the theory.[citation needed]

                  One of the first suggestions of heresy that Galileo had to deal with came in 1613 from a professor of philosophy, poet and specialist in Greek literature, Cosimo Boscaglia.[13][14] In conversation with Galileo's patron Cosimo II de' Medici and Cosimo's mother Christina of Lorraine, Boscaglia said that the telescopic discoveries were valid, but that the motion of the Earth was obviously contrary to Scripture......................................... ....''

                  So You had unintentionally lied , Causative or you are ignorant of your ex religion ?
                  , but now I am smiling mate ;)
                  Catholic church was used as a political tool for ages. It became a political machine that used the Bible and religion to gain political influence, power, wealth any any view that endangered their power was itself in jeopardy. It is not the Bible's fault that reality differed from their interpretation of what the world should be and religion used as a political tool.

                  That is why you had the reformation.

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                    #54
                    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                    Originally posted by Serada View Post
                    Catholic church was used as a political tool for ages. It became a political machine that used the Bible and religion to gain political influence, power, wealth any any view that endangered their power was itself in jeopardy. It is not the Bible's fault that reality differed from their interpretation of what the world should be and religion used as a political tool.
                    Serada

                    You are right. But I doubt he will accept the fact you explained. Lets wait and see his reaction on your post.
                    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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                      #55
                      Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                      Originally posted by FAREED1952 View Post
                      I would like a clarification please. What do you mean by: "I suppose most of humanity are bigots then". Do you mean that Most of humanity are bigots? Do you mean to imply that "most of humanity" agree with your stance that there is no scientific support for the Qu'ran? What about the billion or so members fo humnanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)? To me to make statements such as you did is akin to making generalizations such as since most married men lie all married men are liars. Which is baseless as far as being factual goes.
                      Of course most of humanity agree there is no scientific support for the Quran, not even all Muslims believe there is scientific support for the Quran! The billion or so of these people who identify as Muslim don't all accept the scientific miracle mumbo jumbo and a billion people is about 1/7 of humanity.

                      This whole scientific miracle stuff was started by the Christians many years ago but the Muslims caught on with the bucaille book in the 1970s and it has really taken off.

                      At best, the 'scientific evidence' is vague and dubious and at worse absurd.
                      Last edited by Qlaic; 15-06-15, 11:56 AM.

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                        #56
                        Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                        Originally posted by Qlaic View Post
                        Of course most of humanity agree there is no scientific support for the Quran, not even all Muslims believe there is scientific support for the Quran! The billion or so of these people who identify as Muslim don't all accept the scientific miracle mumbo jumbo and a billion people is about 1/7 of humanity.

                        This whole scientific miracle stuff was started by the Christians many years ago but the Muslims caught on with the bucaille book in the 1970s and it has really taken off.

                        At best, the 'scientific evidence' is vague and dubious and at worse absurd.
                        Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.

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                          #57
                          Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                          Originally posted by FAREED1952 View Post
                          Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.
                          What do you want me to do? Go out and survey all of humanity? Are you seriously telling me that most of humanity think there is 'scientific evidence' for the Quran? Really?

                          "What about the billion or so members of humanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)?" isn't that another generalization according to you then?

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                            #58
                            Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                            Originally posted by FAREED1952 View Post
                            Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.
                            Oh BTW There is closer to 1.8 billion Muslims on the earth and rounded up to 1.9 or 2.0 billion makes that 1/7 of the earths population seem more like 2/7 or some thing like that.

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                              #59
                              Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                              Originally posted by Qlaic View Post
                              What do you want me to do? Go out and survey all of humanity? Are you seriously telling me that most of humanity think there is 'scientific evidence' for the Quran? Really?

                              "What about the billion or so members of humanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)?" isn't that another generalization according to you then?
                              The almost 1/4 of the earth's residents that claim loyalty and submission to Allah (SWT) qare required by the tenets of thier faith to accept the Qur'an as the final revelation to mankind from their creator to ALL of Mankind. :up: What I want you to see is that blanket staments in a discussion just don't work.

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                                #60
                                Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                                Originally posted by FAREED1952 View Post
                                The almost 1/4 of the earth's residents that claim loyalty and submission to Allah (SWT) qare required by the tenets of thier faith to accept the Qur'an as the final revelation to mankind from their creator to ALL of Mankind. :up: What I want you to see is that blanket staments in a discussion just don't work.
                                What's that got to do with scientific evidence?

                                Also the '1/4' (it's more like 1/5 last time i checked) simply identify themselves as Muslims, a good deal of them probably believe things which you would consider makes them disbelievers.

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