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    #16
    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
    [B][COLOR="#000000"][B]Walikum salam wrwb

    I have not brought any guesses here , I am proving my 3 points

    1) Sun sets in Murky water is just in the sense of ''a Figurative speech '' Told by the King Dhul Qarnain (NOT ALLAH )clear from both adjacent verses 18:86 & 18:90 helping to prove it was said in a figurative speech style
    can you clarify one thing. in Quran, Dhull Qarnain used the figurative speech and said that he saw the sun setting in a spring of murky water.

    But there are two hadith narrations in your opening posts where Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has explicitly said that the sun sets in "a spring of warm water (Hamiyah)". why?

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      #17
      Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

      Originally posted by mickyc View Post
      can you clarify one thing. in Quran, Dhull Qarnain used the figurative speech and said that he saw the sun setting in a spring of murky water.

      But there are two hadith narrations in your opening posts where Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has explicitly said that the sun sets in "a spring of warm water (Hamiyah)". why?
      I had clearly explained in My O post that they can't speak against the Noble Quran , If they did it OR iow IF Prophet(pbuh) said that the Earth was a sphere the CONSEQUENCES they would have suffered could not have been solved untill the 20th century untill first sattelie to space. , kindly read my explanation which is clear enough & logic '' appropriate Dosage of knowledge '' in the OP

      Allahul aalam.
      Last edited by talibilm09; 01-12-14, 01:40 PM.
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        #18
        Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

        Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
        Walikum salam wrwb

        I have not brought any guesses here , I am proving my 3 points

        1) Sun sets in Murky water is just in the sense of ''a Figurative speech '' Told by the King Dhul Qarnain (NOT ALLAH )clear from both adjacent verses 18:86 & 18:90 helping to prove it was said in a figurative speech style

        2) Scientic proof ' Brain functions' Which i heard from a Doctor itself first and just found the supporting evidence on the Web just yesterday

        3) air pressure is Clear scientific when we go up in Flight its warned to the passengers about OXYGEN masks in flights in case of Emergency .


        I have spoken about this THREE POINTS but ELABORATELY with Parable for My first point, So what else should I prove ?


        I need not calm down because I am not Angry at all but I know this Torkont is a Troll and he is the same guy who excreted a lot with the previous name ' Heislam ', The troll with influence like a dajjal here spewing All lies and blaspheming Islam and the Forum has become an Orphan. And Heislam is the MISCHEIF MAKER visit comparative relgious Section
        Excellent post!

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          #19
          Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

          Originally posted by Mujahid4ever View Post
          Excellent post!
          Jazakallah so lets continue to refute the Allegations of the apologetics who use the verse 86:6-7 of the Noble Quran to ridicule without sense,

          86:6-7 "He was created from a fluid, ejected,Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."

          This Link clears the Doubt from Medical doctors the Origin of Sperm from its roots. Quoted in the link as the follows

          http://www.understanding-islam.com/q...iq-86-6-7-4836

          ''".........asked a few of my doctor friends about the making of the male sperm and the supply of its ingredients to the ultimate place of its making. In response, among a few other things, I was told that although the male sperm is formed in the testes, yet the blood supply which, obviously, is integral to the making of the sperm comes from between the ribs and the back. I was also told by one of my doctor friends that the cells that form the sperm originate from between the ribs and the back. If this is true, then the words of the Qur'an are not scientifically incorrect, as the words "emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs", do not necessarily imply "emanating in its final shape" only, but can also cover "initial emanation".

          I believe in the Miracle of Quran (when Hadith says Prophet's (pbuh) words are simple with a deep meaning) Then How deep should Quran be ? while Science is still changing Now And will change later (see links below) But Quran did not change at all even a letter for 1430 years , So Subhanallah
          Quran as the last Testament from THE CREATOR of this Globe & Galaxies requires its Miracles had to be Continuous and immortal, and its verses contains expandable & Multiple meanings understandable or applicable then before 1430 years in the Desert among the Pagan Arabs, where just ordinary reading was a Privilege and now TODAY in this scientific era UNDERSTANDABLE enough to everyone, even a layman to a student or to a scientist in the manner they will understand and the Quran will continue its mission untill the last days of the world by its miraculous nature of accommodating even the most recent scientific discoveries like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BPeVRqBRM


          http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0932440.html .............. Science is changing continuosly and is fallible unlike the Noble Quran for the past 100 years
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            #20
            Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

            Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post


            ''".........asked a few of my doctor friends about the making of the male sperm and the supply of its ingredients to the ultimate place of its making. In response, among a few other things, I was told that although the male sperm is formed in the testes, yet the blood supply which, obviously, is integral to the making of the sperm comes from between the ribs and the back. I was also told by one of my doctor friends that the cells that form the sperm originate from between the ribs and the back. If this is true, then the words of the Qur'an are not scientifically incorrect, as the words "emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs", do not necessarily imply "emanating in its final shape" only, but can also cover "initial emanation".
            I want to believe your doctor friends but can you or anyone direct me to a scientific source where it says that the cells that form the sperm originate from between the ribs and the back ?

            Moreover what is that place between the ribs and the back called in medical science?

            I need it for my eeman.

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              #21
              Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

              Originally posted by abutarekh View Post
              I want to believe your doctor friends but can you or anyone direct me to a scientific source where it says that the cells that form the sperm originate from between the ribs and the back ?

              Moreover what is that place between the ribs and the back called in medical science?

              I need it for my eeman.
              Yes , I did another doctor to substantiate on this issue who emailed these two explanations which I could hardly understand, Are You A Doctor abuTarekh ?
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                #22
                Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
                Yes , I did another doctor to substantiate on this issue who emailed these two explanations which I could hardly understand, Are You A Doctor abuTarekh ?
                I'm not a doctor but my wife is. I don't have to be a doctor to understand anatomy. If needed I can get help. Please don't assume that if you don't understand something, nobody will.

                Please post those explanations. It might benefit others who understand it. Perhaps some of them will rephrase it in simple english for everyone to understand.

                Jazakallah

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                  #23
                  Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                  Originally posted by abutarekh View Post
                  I'm not a doctor but my wife is. I don't have to be a doctor to understand anatomy. If needed I can get help. Please don't assume that if you don't understand something, nobody will.

                  Please post those explanations. It might benefit others who understand it. Perhaps some of them will rephrase it in simple english for everyone to understand.

                  Jazakallah
                  There are well wishers of islam always vigil here to twist or do everything by which they can mislead muslims . The trolls are going unabated inspite of our repeated requests to check them but we scream in vain at the helpdesk, makes me doubt is this really a muslim forum really ?

                  Even your last post about Pharaoh added to my doubt without Pm ing me you are derailing thread that am trying to fight against the kuffar :( (now your comments are too kind: '' don't assume that if you don't understand something, nobody will.)
                  I did not think so because am not a stupid. Thanks Smartee.
                  . So when your wife is a doctor why don t you ask her to substantiate on it like in the post . I will PM you the starting details or tips of it and lets see you are telling the truth as you claim. And also on my part i want to compare both our reports and see how correct they are.

                  Sorry for it, cos we really dont know & not sure who is behind the key board here .on the forum because except a few of people some seems like they deserve our suspicion, they even do not converse like muslims but they claim they are
                  .
                  Last edited by talibilm09; 06-12-14, 05:14 PM.
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                    #24
                    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                    Originally posted by talibilm09 View Post
                    There are well wishers of islam always vigil here to twist or do everything by which they can mislead muslims . The trolls are going unabated inspite of our repeated requests to check them but we scream in vain at the helpdesk, makes me doubt is this really a muslim forum really ?

                    Even your last post about Pharaoh added to my doubt without Pm ing me you are derailing thread that am trying to fight against the kuffar :( (now your comments are too kind: '' don't assume that if you don't understand something, nobody will.)
                    I did not think so because am not a stupid. Thanks Smartee.
                    . So when your wife is a doctor why don t you ask her to substantiate on it like in the post . I will PM you the starting details or tips of it and lets see you are telling the truth as you claim. And also on my part i want to compare both our reports and see how correct they are.

                    Sorry for it, cos we really dont know who is behind the key board here on the forum because except a couple of people all seems like they deserve our suspicion, they even do not converse like muslims but they claim they are.
                    .
                    Hmm.. now I'm beginning to think that you lied about the doctors email.

                    I'm a muslim with doubts and I'm always looking for the refutations of my doubts to save my faith. Regardless of who I am, If you were convinced of the truth you would have posted it in one of your lengthy colourful posts.

                    Yes I have asked my wife before and she was clueless. In your one liner PM, you mentioned Paraaortic lymph nodes. Do you know that these lymph nodes receive drainage from the upper gastrointestinal tract and the abdominal organs. I didn't even need to ask her for that. I'm still unsure what does paraaortic nodes have to do with the verse in discussion..

                    It's sad that first you declared me christian and now you are implying that I'm a troll behind the keyboard. only because I questioned your statements and claims (not islam).

                    Now I don't understand why you gave me positive rep if you doubt my identity, you don't like my questioning and you have called me christian and troll etc.

                    I'm not going to participate in this discussion anymore unless you post what you claimed.

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                      #25
                      Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                      Originally posted by abutarekh View Post
                      Hmm.. now I'm beginning to think that you lied about the doctors email.

                      I'm a muslim with doubts and I'm always looking for the refutations of my doubts to save my faith. Regardless of who I am, If you were convinced of the truth you would have posted it in one of your lengthy colourful posts.

                      Yes I have asked my wife before and she was clueless. In your one liner PM, you mentioned Paraaortic lymph nodes. Do you know that these lymph nodes receive drainage from the upper gastrointestinal tract and the abdominal organs. I didn't even need to ask her for that. I'm still unsure what does paraaortic nodes have to do with the verse in discussion..

                      It's sad that first you declared me christian and now you are implying that I'm a troll behind the keyboard. only because I questioned your statements and claims (not islam).

                      Now I don't understand why you gave me positive rep if you doubt my identity, you don't like my questioning and you have called me christian and troll etc.

                      I'm not going to participate in this discussion anymore unless you post what you claimed.
                      thanks
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                        #26
                        Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                        in the articles ive read about this the sperm or testes coming from the back bone is during the foetus development. the parts originally form there then decend after a couple of months to where they are after birth.

                        and talib, calling anyone who either doesnt understand your posts or dont agree witht hem a troll only makes people think your a troll also. i understand your passionate about what you post but you need to inderstand not agreeing/understanding doesnt equal enemy.

                        There are two kinds of pride, both good and bad. 'Good pride' represents our dignity and self-respect. 'Bad pride' is the deadly sin of superiority that reeks of conceit and arrogance.


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                          #27
                          Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                          Originally posted by SILURES View Post
                          in the articles ive read about this the sperm or testes coming from the back bone is during the foetus development. the parts originally form there then decend after a couple of months to where they are after birth.

                          and talib, calling anyone who either doesnt understand your posts or dont agree witht hem a troll only makes people think your a troll also. i understand your passionate about what you post but you need to inderstand not agreeing/understanding doesnt equal enemy.
                          To be fair, it seems like he's been at it for quite a while. A number of his posts cross reference previous posts, I know how frustrating it is to have people completely ignore what you say, to say something ridiculous, or have to repeat yourself over and over (or simply have someone repeat the same points he made before in response to a rebuttal, or a few posts later).
                          At least that's the impression I've received.

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                            #28
                            Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                            Originally posted by abutarekh View Post
                            Hmm.. now I'm beginning to think that you lied about the doctors email.

                            I'm a muslim with doubts and I'm always looking for the refutations of my doubts to save my faith. Regardless of who I am, If you were convinced of the truth you would have posted it in one of your lengthy colourful posts.

                            Yes I have asked my wife before and she was clueless. In your one liner PM, you mentioned Paraaortic lymph nodes. Do you know that these lymph nodes receive drainage from the upper gastrointestinal tract and the abdominal organs. I didn't even need to ask her for that. I'm still unsure what does paraaortic nodes have to do with the verse in discussion..

                            It's sad that first you declared me christian and now you are implying that I'm a troll behind the keyboard. only because I questioned your statements and claims (not islam).

                            Now I don't understand why you gave me positive rep if you doubt my identity, you don't like my questioning and you have called me christian and troll etc.

                            I'm not going to participate in this discussion anymore unless you post what you claimed.
                            It's not nice to question your muslim brother. Even if he makes unintentional mistakes, he deserves the benefit of doubt.

                            Brother talibilm09 is one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum. His profile name should be muallim instead of talibilm09. May Allah swt guide us all!

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                              #29
                              Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                              Oceanology in the Noble Quran:

                              The following article was sent to me by brother/sister [email protected]; may Allah Almighty be pleased with him/her.



                              OCEANOLOGY


                              BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS


                              Consider the following Qur'anic verses:


                              "HE has let free The two bodies Of flowing water, Meeting together: Between them is a Barrier Which they do not transgress."

                              [AL-QUR'AN 55:19:20]
                              In the Arabic text the word 'barzakh' means a barrier or a partition. The Arabic word 'maraja' literally means 'they both meet and mix with each other.' Early commentators of the QUR'AN were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

                              The QUR'AN mentions this phenomenon also in the following verse:


                              "And made a separating bar Between the two bodies Of flowing water?"

                              [AL-QUR'AN 27:61]
                              This phenomenon occurs in several places, including the divider between the Mediteranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. But when the QUR'AN speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the exisence of ' a forbidding partition' with the barrier.


                              "It is HE WHO has Let free the two bodies Of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, And the other salty and bitter; Yet has HE Made a barrier between them, And a partition that is forbidden To be passed.

                              [AL-QUR'AN 25:53]
                              Modern Science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh(sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from that found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuarie is a "pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers." {Oceanography, Gross, p.242. Also see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301 ; Oceanography, Gross, p. 244 and Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp.300-301} This phenomenon occurs in several places, including Egypt, where the river Nile flows into the Medierranean Sea.


                              DARKNESS IN THE DEPTHS OF THE OCEAN


                              Prof. Durga Rao is an expert in the field of Marine Geology and was a professor at King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah. He was asked to comment on the following verse:


                              "Or (the Unbelievers' state) Is like the depths of darkness In a vast deep ocean, Overwhelmed with billow Topped by billow, Topped by (dark) clouds: Depths of darkness, one Above another: if a man Stretches out his hand, He can hardly see it! For any to whom ALLAH Giveth not light, There is no light!"

                              [AL-QUR'AN 21:40]
                              Prof. Rao said that scientists have only now been able to confirm, with the help of modern equipment that there is darkness in the depths of the ocean. Humans are unable to dive unaided underwater for more than 20 to 30 metres, and cannot survive in the deep oceanic regions at a depth of more than 200 metres. This verse does not refer to all seas because not every sea can be described as having accumulated darkness layered one over another. It refers especially to a deep sea or deep ocean, as the QUR'AN says, 'darkness in a vast deep ocean.' This layered darkness in a deep ocean is the result of two causes:


                              1. A light ray is composed of seven colours. These seven colours are Violet, Indigo, Blue. Green, Yellow, Orange and Red(VIBGYOR). The light ray undergoes refraction when it hits water. The upper 10 to 15 metres of water absorb the red colour. Therefore if a diver is 25 metres under water and gets wounded, he would not be able to see the red colour of his blood, because the red colour does not reach this depth. Similarly orange rays are absorbed at 30 to 50 metres, yellow at 50 to 100 metres, green at 100 to 200 metres, and finally, blue beyond 200 metres and violet and indigo above 200 metres. Due to successive disapperance of colour, one layer after another, the ocean progressively becomes darker, i.e. darkness takes place in layers of light. Below a depth of 1000 metres there is complete darkness.{Oceans, Elder and Pernetta, p.27}


                              2.The sun's rays are absorbed by clouds which in turn scatter light rays thus causing a layer of darkness under the clouds. This is the first layer of darkness. When light rays reach the surface of the ocean they are reflected by the wave surface giving it a shiny appearance. Therefore it is the waves which reflect light and cause darkness.The unreflected light penetrates into the depths of the ocean. Therefore the ocean has two parts. The surface characterized by light and warmth and the depth characterized by darkness. The surface is further separated from the deep part of the ocean by waves. The internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because the deep waters have a higher density than the waters above them. The darkness begins below the internal waves. Even the fish in the depths of the ocean cannot see; their only source of light is from their own bodies.The QUR'AN rightly mentions:


                              "Darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with waves topped by waves."
                              In other words, above these waves there are more types of waves, i.e. those found on the surface of the ocean. The Qur'anic verse continues,


                              "topped by (dark) clouds; depths of darkness, one above another."


                              These clouds as explained are barriers one over the other that further cause darkness by absorption of colours at different levels. Prof. Durga Rao concluded by saying, "1400 years ago a normal human being could not explain this phenomenon in so much detail. Thus the information must have come from a supernatural source."

                              To be continued ...


                              http://www.answering-christianity.com/oceanology.htm
                              Last edited by talibilm09; 06-12-14, 05:15 PM.
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                                #30
                                Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

                                Originally posted by SILURES View Post
                                in the articles ive read about this the sperm or testes coming from the back bone is during the foetus development. the parts originally form there then decend after a couple of months to where they are after birth.

                                and talib, calling anyone who either doesnt understand your posts or dont agree witht hem a troll only makes people think your a troll also. i understand your passionate about what you post but you need to inderstand not agreeing/understanding doesnt equal enemy.
                                Brother talibilm is not a troll..rather he is one of those posters that regularly pushes off the trolls with their repeated non sense.Alhamdulillah he works hard in bringing out the best of debating posts from muslims perspective.Its just that trolls each time with new way of insulting and not learning tbh.
                                ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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