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  • #31
    Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

    As for the top dictionary its irrelevant because the argument is in the plural not singular.


    2nd Your giving me The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
    A Lexicon made by Christians. That is worthless. And the same with the link The New Testament Greek Lexicon. This are pro biased Christian dictionaries. Lets look at some other dictionaries. And im surprized you didnt post the calvinist dictionary Strong.

    Lets look at some real dictionaries.

    Noun
    μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos)
    human breast, mamma
    (rarely, of animals) udder
    any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill
    a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets
    among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC...84%CF%8C%CF%82

    Do you know what a mamma is?

    So how is the Noun Masculine as the christians portray it?

    More over masto in plural (Mastos/Mastois) always refers to female. And there doesnt exist 1 koine greek text that uses Mastos for a Male. If the author truely wanted to show a masculine Jesus with male breasts he would have used the word Stethos which he used in Rev 5:16.

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    • #32
      Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

      As for the first dictionary my argument is in the plural it refers to the female not singular as for the other dictionaries you post for the singular you posted Christian Bible Dictionaries made by Christians(NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon and
      The New Testament Greek Lexicon) ;) Ive already showed you Christians lie.

      Lets go to wikitionary

      Noun
      μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos)
      human breast, mamma
      (rarely, of animals) udder
      any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill
      a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets
      among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC...84%CF%8C%CF%82

      and let me give you exampel of a Mastos shaped object.



      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastos


      If the author of revelation wanted to show a masculine Jesus with male breasts he would have use the word Stethos as in John 13:25, John 21:20 and Rev 15:6.


      And there doesnt exist 1 text in koine greek that uses Mastos for a male. More over here a commentary by Christians on this passages from the Book Echoes of Eden part 29.

      Long millenniums after Abraham's encounter with God Almighty, El Shaddai, the "Breasted One", John the Revelator, in exile on the barren Isle of Patmos, heard behind him the voice of One who trumpeted into his ears this message: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY" (Rev. 1:8). As John turned to see the Voice that spoke to him, with astonished countenance he beheld the wonder of this One "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and GIRD ABOUT THE PAPS with a golden girdle" (Rev. 1:13). The word "paps" is the Greek word "mastos" used exclusively in Greek for the female breasts! "And it came to pass, as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare You, and the PAPS (mastos) which You have sucked!" (Lk. 11:27). On Patmos we have the woman's dress and the woman's breast while yet the speaker is THE ALMIGHTY! It would not be possible to describe more vividly the dual nature of our God who is both Male and Female, the Strong and Mighty One, our Father, who is also "El Shaddai", our Mother, the Pourer-forth who pours Himself out for His creatures; who gives them His lifeblood; who draws them in tenderness to His bosom; who satisfies them with milk from His own breast.
      As for the first dictionary my argument is in the plural it refers to the female not singular as for the other dictionaries you post for the singular you posted Christian Bible Dictionaries made by Christians(NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon and
      The New Testament Greek Lexicon) ;) Ive already showed you Christians lie.

      Lets go to wikitionary

      Noun
      μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos)
      human breast, mamma
      (rarely, of animals) udder
      any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill
      a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets
      among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC...84%CF%8C%CF%82

      and let me give you exampel of a Mastos shaped object.



      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastos


      If the author of revelation wanted to show a masculine Jesus with male breasts he would have use the word Stethos as in John 13:25, John 21:20 and Rev 15:6.


      And there doesnt exist 1 text in koine greek that uses Mastos for a male. More over here a commentary by Christians on this passages from the Book Echoes of Eden part 29.

      Long millenniums after Abraham's encounter with God Almighty, El Shaddai, the "Breasted One", John the Revelator, in exile on the barren Isle of Patmos, heard behind him the voice of One who trumpeted into his ears this message: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY" (Rev. 1:8). As John turned to see the Voice that spoke to him, with astonished countenance he beheld the wonder of this One "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and GIRD ABOUT THE PAPS with a golden girdle" (Rev. 1:13). The word "paps" is the Greek word "mastos" used exclusively in Greek for the female breasts! "And it came to pass, as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare You, and the PAPS (mastos) which You have sucked!" (Lk. 11:27). On Patmos we have the woman's dress and the woman's breast while yet the speaker is THE ALMIGHTY! It would not be possible to describe more vividly the dual nature of our God who is both Male and Female, the Strong and Mighty One, our Father, who is also "El Shaddai", our Mother, the Pourer-forth who pours Himself out for His creatures; who gives them His lifeblood; who draws them in tenderness to His bosom; who satisfies them with milk from His own breast.

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      • #33
        Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

        As for the first dictionary my argument is in the plural it refers to the female not singular as for the other dictionaries you post for the singular you posted Christian Bible Dictionaries made by Christians(NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon and
        The New Testament Greek Lexicon) ;) Ive already showed you Christians lie.

        Lets go to wikitionary

        Noun
        μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos)
        human breast, mamma
        (rarely, of animals) udder
        any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill
        a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets
        among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup
        http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC...84%CF%8C%CF%82

        and let me give you exampel of a Mastos shaped object.



        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastos


        If the author of revelation wanted to show a masculine Jesus with male breasts he would have use the word Stethos as in John 13:25, John 21:20 and Rev 15:6.


        And there doesnt exist 1 text in koine greek that uses Mastos for a male. More over here a commentary by Christians on this passages from the Book Echoes of Eden part 29.

        Long millenniums after Abraham's encounter with God Almighty, El Shaddai, the "Breasted One", John the Revelator, in exile on the barren Isle of Patmos, heard behind him the voice of One who trumpeted into his ears this message: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY" (Rev. 1:8). As John turned to see the Voice that spoke to him, with astonished countenance he beheld the wonder of this One "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and GIRD ABOUT THE PAPS with a golden girdle" (Rev. 1:13). The word "paps" is the Greek word "mastos" used exclusively in Greek for the female breasts! "And it came to pass, as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare You, and the PAPS (mastos) which You have sucked!" (Lk. 11:27). On Patmos we have the woman's dress and the woman's breast while yet the speaker is THE ALMIGHTY! It would not be possible to describe more vividly the dual nature of our God who is both Male and Female, the Strong and Mighty One, our Father, who is also "El Shaddai", our Mother, the Pourer-forth who pours Himself out for His creatures; who gives them His lifeblood; who draws them in tenderness to His bosom; who satisfies them with milk from His own breast.

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        • #34
          Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

          As for the first dictionary my argument is in the plural it refers to the female not singular as for the other dictionaries you posted Christian Bible Dictionaries made by Christians(NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon and The New Testament Greek Lexicon) Im surprised you didnt post in the calvinist dictiory Strong aswell. ;) Ive already showed you Christians lie.

          Lets go to wikitionary

          Noun
          μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos)
          human breast, mamma
          (rarely, of animals) udder
          any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill
          a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets
          among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup
          http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC...84%CF%8C%CF%82
          Do you know what a mamma is?

          and let me give you exampel of a Mastos shaped object.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastos


          If the author of revelation wanted to show a masculine Jesus with male breasts he would have use the word Stethos as in John 13:25, John 21:20 and Rev 15:6.


          And there doesnt exist 1 text in koine greek that uses Mastos for a male. More over here a commentary by Christians on this passages from the Book Echoes of Eden part 29.

          Long millenniums after Abraham's encounter with God Almighty, El Shaddai, the "Breasted One", John the Revelator, in exile on the barren Isle of Patmos, heard behind him the voice of One who trumpeted into his ears this message: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY" (Rev. 1:8). As John turned to see the Voice that spoke to him, with astonished countenance he beheld the wonder of this One "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and GIRD ABOUT THE PAPS with a golden girdle" (Rev. 1:13). The word "paps" is the Greek word "mastos" used exclusively in Greek for the female breasts! "And it came to pass, as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare You, and the PAPS (mastos) which You have sucked!" (Lk. 11:27). On Patmos we have the woman's dress and the woman's breast while yet the speaker is THE ALMIGHTY! It would not be possible to describe more vividly the dual nature of our God who is both Male and Female, the Strong and Mighty One, our Father, who is also "El Shaddai", our Mother, the Pourer-forth who pours Himself out for His creatures; who gives them His lifeblood; who draws them in tenderness to His bosom; who satisfies them with milk from His own breast.
          Last edited by islamtruepath; 05-11-12, 09:09 PM.

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          • #35
            Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

            wikitionary Noun
            μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos) human breast, mamma (rarely, of animals) udder any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill
            a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC...84%CF%8C%CF%82

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            • #36
              Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

              wikitionary Noun μαστός (genitive μαστοῦ) m, second declension; (mastos) human breast, mamma (rarely, of animals) udder any round, breast shaped object, such as a hill a round piece of wool fastened to the edge of nets among the Paphians, a breast-shaped cup http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82

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              • #37
                Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                I appreciate the heads-up on this, but in the end what is the point? We already know the Bible is a hopelessly corrupted document and cannot be trusted as a factual reference. If other parts are added, subtracted, mistranslated, or misreported, what on earth makes this particular passage any more accurate or trustworthy?

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                • #38
                  Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                  It doesnt hurt to know more does it ;). The main point i be guessing is how Christians have mistranslated the new bibles to mislead guilble christians. And lets face it Christians are like sheep.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                    Originally posted by Umar Khattab View Post
                    I'm not even going to comment about Prophet Jesus at all as I don't really like the theme of this thread.

                    Anyways, have you ever seen a man with lots of Muscles; there muscles on there chest kind of look like breasts, but they are not womens breasts, it's just how the muscles on the chest form when someone has lots of muscle;

                    here is an image of a male bodybuilder;

                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]52713[/ATTACH]


                    I don't think you would dare say to a bodybuilder that he has breasts; but some people quite easily find the time to mock a messenger of Allah,


                    aren't we meant to neither confirm or deny what's in the bible of today as it's corrupted ?


                    What's the point of making a thread on a Muslim forum degrading Prophet Jesus by using the bible ?
                    delete that pic please thanks

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                    • #40
                      Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                      Is the point of this prove that the Bible indicates Jesus was at the very least transgendered? Is it leading up to the argument that Jesus was really a woman? Or a hermaphrodite?

                      Even assuming (astagfirullah) Jesus was transgendered or a hermaphrodite, theologically that makes sense in the Christian view as Jesus was part of the Trinity and as God possesses all the qualities of male and female genders does it not make sense that Jesus- as a part of the Trinity- would possess those same qualities in the flesh? Jesus as a part of the Trinity makes no sense if he was exclusively male or female, from a Christian viewpoint.

                      In the end, though, does it really MATTER if Jesus had breasts or not? Would it change his status as a prophet? Would it have changed his purpose or his message?

                      All this issue does is point to even more confusion regarding the accuracy and authenticity of the Bible, nothing more.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                        Originally posted by islamtruepath View Post
                        How you guys acctually fail to understand the argument is amazing :).

                        Man do have breasts and when we talk of the breasts of man in plural in Greek we use the word Stethos not Mastois. Mastois is exlusive for female's in koine greek when its in the plural form. When its singular its for males and females. If you take the time to look at koine greek text you would not find Mastois used 1 time for a male(in the plural Mastois not Masto Maston Mazon etc).And he wore the girlde around is mastos there is no such dresscode. And i even posted commentary on this christians themself belive this. [/SIZE]
                        μαστοῖς (mastois) is dative plural. Why do you mention the dative instead of the nominative (μαστοὶ) ?

                        do you actually understand koine Greek ?

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                        • #42
                          Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                          Originally posted by John Muhammad View Post
                          Is the point of this prove that the Bible indicates Jesus was at the very least transgendered? Is it leading up to the argument that Jesus was really a woman? Or a hermaphrodite?

                          Even assuming (astagfirullah) Jesus was transgendered or a hermaphrodite, theologically that makes sense in the Christian view as Jesus was part of the Trinity and as God possesses all the qualities of male and female genders does it not make sense that Jesus- as a part of the Trinity- would possess those same qualities in the flesh? Jesus as a part of the Trinity makes no sense if he was exclusively male or female, from a Christian viewpoint.

                          In the end, though, does it really MATTER if Jesus had breasts or not? Would it change his status as a prophet? Would it have changed his purpose or his message?

                          All this issue does is point to even more confusion regarding the accuracy and authenticity of the Bible, nothing more.
                          The trinity was invented in 200ad by Tertullian and didnt become Orthodox before Council of Nicea 325 and people still had doubts untill Council of chalcedon 451 Ad when it was decided every one who was against the trinity would be killed. In this period 100-400 some might have viewed Jesus as a androgynous god. There are a lot of problems with the book of revelation thats why it wasnt found in the original Pe****ta. Many christians today belive Revelation is a book of heresy and reject it.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                            Originally posted by John Muhammad View Post
                            Is the point of this prove that the Bible indicates Jesus was at the very least transgendered? Is it leading up to the argument that Jesus was really a woman? Or a hermaphrodite?

                            Even assuming (astagfirullah) Jesus was transgendered or a hermaphrodite, theologically that makes sense in the Christian view as Jesus was part of the Trinity and as God possesses all the qualities of male and female genders does it not make sense that Jesus- as a part of the Trinity- would possess those same qualities in the flesh? Jesus as a part of the Trinity makes no sense if he was exclusively male or female, from a Christian viewpoint.

                            In the end, though, does it really MATTER if Jesus had breasts or not? Would it change his status as a prophet? Would it have changed his purpose or his message?

                            All this issue does is point to even more confusion regarding the accuracy and authenticity of the Bible, nothing more.
                            thats taking it to some whole other level audu billah.

                            seriously this discussion serves no purpose what so ever.
                            "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                            The Prophet :saw: said:

                            "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                            muslim

                            Narrated 'Abdullah:

                            The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                            "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                            By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                            [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                            • #44
                              Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                              Originally posted by islamtruepath View Post
                              The greek word "mastois" always refers to female's in the plural form.

                              UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT FIRST lol ;)

                              Jesus was wearing a bra around his Mastois(female breasts).

                              Go read it koine greek and come back.
                              you clearly don't know koine Greek, or you wouldn't always mention mastois (μαστοῖς - dative plural) instead of mastoi (μαστοὶ - nominative plural) which actually means "the breasts"

                              mastois (dative) does not mean "the breasts" but "by means of the breasts", or "at the breasts" etc etc)

                              so, you are just repeating what some site like answering-christianity posted

                              in any case, Revelation speaks about "one like the Son of Man" , not about Jesus

                              so, it simply sounds as just one more cheap swipe at Christian texts
                              Last edited by monti; 06-11-12, 11:13 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Bible says jesus has female breasts(azubillaha ).

                                Originally posted by monti View Post
                                μαστοῖς (mastois) is dative plural. Why do you mention the dative instead of the nominative (μαστοὶ) ?

                                do you actually understand koine Greek ?
                                I took it out exactly how its written in rev 1:13 ignoring Koine grammar because its relevant to explain my case.

                                καὶ ἐν μέσῳ τῶν λυχνιῶν ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου, ἐνδεδυμένον ποδήρη καὶ περιεζωσμένον πρὸς τοῖς μαστοῖς ζώνην χρυσᾶν:

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