Originally posted by ilikepie
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There maybe also other interpretations and whatever can be genuinely understood in more than one way based upon context and language (meaning: no farfetched interpretations!) can NOT be used in order to declare people as "disbelievers in the hereafter, who deserve eternal punishment".
I think you know that we do NOT regard non-Prophets to be infallible and this necessitates that leadership will be in the hands of fallible people after the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam).
In fact this is even necessitated by the ideas of your own group, because after Imam al-'Askari (radhiallahu 'anhu) there is no "infallible leader" anymore (this with the knowledge that the Imam had not even any political leadership position in the first place).
If you say "then what about al-Mahdi", then the answer is: There is no way for you to claim that his son was indeed Imam al-Mahdi (radhiallahu 'anhu) with certainity and even if his son is al-Mahdi, then we're unable to contact him for more than 1000 years.
So in reality there is NO infallible leadership since MORE than 1000 years and this by agreement between us and you.
Originally posted by ilikepie
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Originally posted by ilikepie
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So if something is important to this degree then there should have existed clear cut and direct texts regarding this issue! But there are no such texts!
Why is it that we find so many texts regarding belief in angels for example or any other article from the Arkan al-Iman, yet we don't find the same for political leadership in the manner you understand it?
You only have texts, which can be either understood in more than one way (were you choose some farfetched meanings with no connection to context or language a lot of times) or are weak / severly weak / outright fabricated.
Originally posted by ilikepie
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As for "Qur`an and Ahl al-Bayt" and "Qur`an and Sunna", then BOTH is found in the authenic texts and the only thing that makes one deny the latter or the former is extremism.
And how could the Sunna of the Chosen One (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) not be an example and role model for us to follow!?! This should not be even be up to discussion among Muslims.
Originally posted by ilikepie
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In fact even if you were to show it, then it would be an absolutely minority view.
By the way: We do NOT trust a single word of that what Imamis have narrated and claim as the word of the A`imma (and I respect ALL of them), nor do I see any reason why one should regard you as trustworthy in that which you narrate from them.
I'm not intending any disrespect here, but all this Taqiyya has negative effects on your credibility.
I've seen Shi'a who claim that the A`imma would practice Taqiyya while speaking about creedal issues! Then how should we know what is Taqiyya and what not?
Originally posted by ilikepie
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'Uthman (radhiallahu 'anhu) was such a man that our noble Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) gave TWO of his DAUGHTERS (I've read that some Shi'a claim them to be step-daughters, but it doesn't change anything!) to him in marriage, so imagine and be aware and do not find fault in the judgment of the Chosen One (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam)! Would he (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) give these two flowers (radhiallahu' anhuma) to anyone regarding whose Islam and Iman he is not sure!? Does he (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) not get revelation and know who is a believer in reality and who not?
Yet, we do NOT make Takfir upon those who killed him.
Originally posted by ilikepie
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Originally posted by ilikepie
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Yes, many of the Umara` of the Bani Ummayya were involved in this issue of cursing and were [real] Nawasib and we disassociate ourselves from them.
This whole culture of cursing is that of the Nawasib and the Rawafidh and is a proof for the deviation of both groups.
Originally posted by ilikepie
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If you refer back to the Aya 49:9 which mentions the two groups of BELIEVERS fighting and it mentions FA IN BAGHAT IHDAHUMA 'ALA Al-UKHRA, so this means that this description in the Hadith does necessitate Takfir.
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