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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by Musbah View Post

    Problem is that most of the jews today are a converted peoples, a.k.a. Askenazi, who are descended from Khazaria in Southern Russia in the 10th century which means they are illegitimate jews not having any rightful claim in Palestine since they are not a Semitic people from the blood of Abraham a.s.
    Akhi I'm not surprised at all,
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    According to their book "God" gave Abraham the Nile to the Euphrates, but unfortunately for Abraham he had to buy the place of his burial, according to the Bible

    Just one of the failed prophecies

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك

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  • eesa the kiwi
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    Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
    Jesus was the awaited Messiah, who fulfilled various prophecies, and performed miracles by Allah's permission on a consistent basis. This can not be explained except by the assistance of the God he's claiming to represent. Jesus called to monotheism, belief in the previous Revelations, sincere worship, and repentance. He, as a Prophet, did not however agree with the Rabbinic tradition, which cancels the decrees of God. Rejection of the Messiah, and even Muhammad(as), is done through the excess authority given to non-prophetic traditions, and self-affirmative doctrines.

    The question which the truth seeking Jew should ask is: If Jesus was the Messiah, and our ancestors did unjustly 'murder' him, then would God retaliate with vengeance for having disbelieved in Judaisms most anticipated figure? Or would he just let it slide, and forgive us as He did innumerable times in the past?

    I would say that the Abrahamic God does not present himself as a naive God. You can not cheat or rob God. Covenants are not unbreakable oaths by which a hypocrite can oppress God. Covenants are conditioned by the sincerity, and righteous application of the pledger. God is not a slave, that He should fulfill His promises of granting victory and spiritual blessings, to a nation which has neglected their own duties towards Him. Rather, God replaces the wicked, with those who are righteous and sincere.

    Isaiah 42 mentions that God will produce a Prophet(as) that will "Sing a new song", "a light for the Gentiles", and mentions both Kedar (Arabs) and Sella (Madina); along with other qualities and traits that match Muhammads(saws) biography. God promises Ishmael a great nation--Muhammad was an Ishmaelite. The Book of Malachi mentions Gods curse upon the spiritually corrupted Jews, and mentions that his name will be great among the Nations(Gentiles). The Prophet Muhammad(saws) is also the Prophet(as) most like Moses(as) in [Deut:18:18].


    To conclude: I believe the Jewish understanding insults the Intelligence and the Divine Control God has over His creation. If Muhammad(saws) and Jesus(as) are false Prophets, then why did God allow these figures to exist with such religiously persuasive influence? If Jesus and Muhammad(as) are not the fulfillment of the alleged prophecies, then who has fulfilled them? If no one has fulfilled them, then what's taking so long? Isaiah 42 can never be re-fulfilled, because Islam will never seize to be relevant in those lands, and among those people. Why did God allow them to preach Abrahamic Monotheism, and why did they perform consistent miracles? Why is there a book called the 'Quran', with all the persuasive qualities it possesses--if the book is a slander upon God? There are over 2-3 Billion gentiles who believe in Abraham, and ascribe to the One God, due to the efforts of these men. Why would God honour false Prophets in such a manner--could he not aid His own religion through authentic Prophets whom He is pleased with?

    Allahu alam
    Could You adress the claim the Hebrew Torah is unchanged

    in Islam we know this is false for a number of reasons but how would you explain it to a jew

    my area of expertise is more dealing with christianity I haven't had much exposure to Judaism

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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Jesus was the awaited Messiah, who fulfilled various prophecies, and performed miracles by Allah's permission on a consistent basis. This can not be explained except by the assistance of God. Jesus preached monotheism, belief in the previous Revelations, sincere worship, and repentance. He, as a Prophet, did not however agree with the Rabbinic tradition, which cancels the decrees of God. Rejection of the Messiah, and even Muhammad(as), is done through the excess authority given to non-prophetic traditions, and self-affirmative doctrines.

    The question which the truth seeking Jew should ask is: If Jesus was the Messiah, and our ancestors did 'murder' him, then would God punish Israel for rejecting Judaisms most anticipated figure? Or would he just let it slide, and forgive us as He did innumerable times in the past?

    I would say that the Abrahamic God does not present himself as a naive God, who you can walk-over. You can not cheat God. Covenants are not unbreakable oaths by which a hypocrite can oppress God. Covenants are conditioned by the sincerity, and righteous application of the pledger. God is not our slave, that He should fulfill His promises of granting victory and spiritual blessings, to a nation which has neglected their own duties towards Him. Rather, God replaces the wicked, with those who are righteous and sincere.

    Isaiah 42 mentions that God will produce a Prophet(as) that will "Sing a new song", "a light for the Gentiles", and mentions both Kedar (Arabs) and Sella (Madina); along with other qualities and traits that match Muhammads(saws) biography. God promises Ishmael a great nation--Muhammad was an Ishmaelite. The Book of Malachi mentions Gods curse upon the spiritually corrupted Jews, and mentions that his name will be great among the Nations(Gentiles). The Prophet Muhammad(saws) is also the Prophet(as) most like Moses(as) in [Deut:18:18].


    To conclude: I believe the Jewish understanding insults the Intelligence and the Divine Control God has over His creation. If Muhammad(saws) and Jesus(as) are false Prophets, then why did God allow these figures to exist with such religiously persuasive influence? If Jesus and Muhammad(as) are not the fulfillment of the alleged prophecies, then who has fulfilled them? If no one has fulfilled them, then what's taking so long? Isaiah 42 can never be re-fulfilled, because Islam will never seize to be relevant in those lands, and among those people. Why did God allow them to preach Abrahamic Monotheism, and why did they perform consistent miracles? Why is there a book called the 'Quran', with all the persuasive qualities it possesses--if the book is a slander upon God? There are over 2-3 Billion gentiles who believe in Abraham, and ascribe to the One God, due to the efforts of these men. Why would God honour false Prophets in such a manner--could he not aid His own religion through authentic Prophets whom He is pleased with?

    Allahu alam
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  • AmantuBillahi
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    2) The Messiah will certainly establish the Kingdom of God. He will spread pure Abrahamic Monotheism throughout the entire Earth .. But this will take place during his second coming.

    The Jews often mock at the idea of a 'second coming', seeing that such a response could justify the 'failures' of any false claimant. That may be true in a sense, but Islam has a far more reasonable justification in contrast to the Christian narrative.

    The Islamic perspective is that God raised Jesus(as), but made it appear as if he was crucified as a means of punishing the disbelieving Jews. By saving Jesus, theology doesn't drastically change, nor can anyone say that Jesus failed. The Jews become disbelievers, and God establishes their Monotheistic successors; who unlike the Jews, have accepted the Messiah--while they welcome the Anti Christ, and eternal punishment.

    "The people of the Scripture ask of thee that thou shouldst cause an (actual) Book to descend upon them from heaven. They asked a greater thing of Moses aforetime, for they said: Show us Allah plainly. The storm of lightning seized them for their wickedness. Then (even) after that) they chose the calf (for worship) after clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty) had come unto them. And We forgave them that! And We bestowed on Moses evident authority."

    "And We caused the Mount to tower above them at (the taking of) their covenant: and We bade them: Enter the gate, prostrate! and We bode them: Transgress not the Sabbath! and We took from them a firm covenant.

    Then (We cursed them) because of their breaking of their covenant, and their disbelieving in the revelations of Allah, and their slaying of the prophets wrongfully, and their saying: Our hearts are hardened - Nay, but Allah set a seal upon them for their disbelief, so that they believe not save a few -

    And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny;


    And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this conjecture into a certainty; [4:153-157]

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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Assalamu alaykum

    The Jewish rejection of the Messiah is among their most unfortunate forms of blasphemies against Allah(swt). Jesus Christ was granted Prophethood and various signs to justify his claiming of the Messiah. He was also prophesied throughout the Jewish scriptures.

    The most common objections that modern Jews put forth in their rejection of Jesus (from my experience) are the following:

    1) Christianity teaches the doctrine of the Trinity, which is Idolatry. Therefore, Jesus is not the Messiah.

    2) Jesus(as) did not fulfill the Messianic expectations of restoring Israel's sovereignty like that of King Davids. He died, therefore he's not the Messiah.


    And if he’s not successful (restoring the Kingdom of David) with this, or if he is killed, it’s known that he is not the one that was promised by the Torah,” Maimonides wrote.
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    1) 'Orthodox' Christianity is a fundamentally flawed religion. The positions of the church do not accurately present the pure teachings of Jesus.


    Christians put forth that the Messiah was successful in his Prophetic-mission, because the Messiah had to suffer. Paul initiates/expands this belief to the utmost extreme, and makes it the core theme of his theology. From a Muslim perspective, what took place with Jesus Christ was a catastrophe which brought about the anger of Allah(swt), and His cursing of the Bani Israel.

    The Biblical Jesus is seen to go through two stages in the gospels. Jesus's did not begin his mission calling people to have faith in an upcoming crucifixion. There are contradictions in the Biblical narratives--theological insertions of the writers. One thing is certain, the contemporaries of Jesus were not at all expecting a crucified Messiah. Even the disciples themselves could not accept/understand Jesus when he foretold his crucifixion and resurrection. The Jews were, and still are, anticipating a successful political leader, who will establish God's Kingdom upon the earth.

    Jesus's miracles and exorcisms were becoming well known among the general people of his time. His criticism of the scribes and the pharisees is a consistent theme throughout the gospels. His growing popularity inevitablely threaten the integrity of the religious elite. Out of desperation they turned to the state to have him crucified; and they were successful, despite the weakness in the allegations they made against him. As previously mentioned, this was not what the Jews theologically believed would happen to the Messiah; which I believe is a significant point, in understanding why the early Christians were such a mess in their theology.

    The earlier synoptic gospels present Jesus as a human Messiah, and not God Himself. It's also possible to argue that Paul and John believed that Jesus was created by God, and was not fully God; although their beliefs on Jesus being 'Lord' may be deemed as heretical innovations by both Jews and Muslims. Unquestionably, both Paul and John had highly exalted views of Christ, but I personally don't think that they believed in Jesus's absolute Divinity. Even if they did believe that he was God, or a Person of God, not all of the gospels share that view. Such emphasises is only found in John's gospel and not in the 3 gospels preceding it, which has caused many to disregard John's narrative as being historically inaccurate.


    Islam doesn't share the problems Christianity was born into.The 'Islamic Jesus' is presented as a human Messenger, who, like all Prophets(as), is protected from polytheism.
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  • Musbah
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    Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

    It's not a case of opinions

    The Bible itself proves it cannot be a revelation from God,

    Surely you realised this by now, or should we start posting evidence from the Bible?

    You clearly have one idea what the Jewish Torah / Talmud says,

    If you did, you would otherwise deny the racist nature of it,

    Judaism is inherently racist, if one does not have a Jewish/Israeli mother, they are either not accepted to be from the "chosen people" or they are held as second class Jews,

    The Talmud is also very revealing in various blatant Racist teachings, we cited some of them previously and the Jews that saw it basically did a runner.

    Anyway to get to the original point, a Muslim believes in and follows the final revelation the Qur'an and his messenger صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم

    If they follow the books of the Jews, Christians, Hindus or any other religion then they are obviously not Muslim.

    Regards
    Problem is that most of the jews today are a converted peoples, a.k.a. Askenazi, who are descended from Khazaria in Southern Russia in the 10th century which means they are illegitimate jews not having any rightful claim in Palestine since they are not a Semitic people from the blood of Abraham a.s.

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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post

    I don't think anyone believes the Torah was corrupted a long time ago or that it had an expiration date, except Muslims. I also told the Jew I was talking to about our Prophet being mentioned in their Tanakh. For exemple Solomon 5:16. but he refuted my argument by saying that we Muslims take their verses out of context. When you read the previous verses, it doesn't make sense why Prophet Muhammad would be mentioned here.

    Also, he claims the Torah was never corrupted, because when you go to Yemen, or any part of the world with jewish people, it's the same Hebrew Torah. Word by word. This notion of the Torah being corrupted only exists within Islam. So to them, they automatically shut their ears when you say their book is corrupted, just like if a false prophet said the Qur'an was corrupted, and he's bringing a new book. We won't take that guy seriously.

    Based on what he said, he told me that it's not a racial religion as anyone can convert to it, But they don't have to. As long as you keep the 7 laws of Nuh (pbuh) you're saved from hellfire.
    It's not a case of opinions

    The Bible itself proves it cannot be a revelation from God,

    Surely you realised this by now, or should we start posting evidence from the Bible?

    You clearly have one idea what the Jewish Torah / Talmud says,

    If you did, you would otherwise deny the racist nature of it,

    Judaism is inherently racist, if one does not have a Jewish/Israeli mother, they are either not accepted to be from the "chosen people" or they are held as second class Jews,

    The Talmud is also very revealing in various blatant Racist teachings, we cited some of them previously and the Jews that saw it basically did a runner.

    Anyway to get to the original point, a Muslim believes in and follows the final revelation the Qur'an and his messenger صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم

    If they follow the books of the Jews, Christians, Hindus or any other religion then they are obviously not Muslim.

    Regards

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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post
    My question is, do jews have to keep the torah laws, such as the shabat, when converting to Islam.
    http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...sk=view&id=203

    "(...perfectly) means, in its entirety. This is the Tafsir of Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Abu Al-`Aliyah, `Ikrimah, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, As-Suddi, Muqatil bin Hayyan, Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak. Mujahid said that the Ayah means, `Perform all the good works and the various pious deeds, this is especially addressed to those from among the People of the Scripture who embraced the faith.'

    Ibn Abu Hatim reported that Ibn `Abbas said that:

    (O you who believe! Enter Silm perfectly) refers to the believers among the People of the Scripture. This is because they believed in Allah, some of them still followed some parts of the Tawrah and the previous revelations.


    (Enter Islam perfectly.) Allah thus commanded them to embrace the legislation of the religion of Muhammad in its entirety and to avoid abandoning any part of it. They should no longer adhere to the Tawrah.


    Allah knows best
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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post

    2- A prophet has to predict something that is about to happen in the near future and mention every detail. For exemple, if it's about to rain blood at 6:12pm tomorrow, it has to be at 6:12pm, not 5 min early or late. They claim prophet Muhammad predicted a war that is going to happen between 2 and 10 years. Because of that they reject him, because it's not detailed. Even if it came true, that doesn't mean he's a prophet. Magicians are able to do that.
    Similar to the above. If the religion is not clearly from God, then it has no say in front of something which can be proven to be from God. A Divine Product is superior to a created product. A created product has no authority over a Divine Product; that would be a backwards way of judging.

    This standard also invalidates their own Prophets. Beyond that, the Prophet Muhammad(saws) had more than one prophecy. The entire Seerah has events where people came to him, and he informed them of information which could only be known through revelation. Many of the Sahabah converted, and were re-affirmed due to his knowledge of the ghayb. Prior to the Prophetic revelations, the Prophet(saws) would see dreams which would come true with 100% accuracy the following day(s). I believe this went on for a period of 6 months, if I'm not mistaken, wa Allahu alam.
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  • AmantuBillahi
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    There is much more to be said on this topic. The Jews are a nation whose faults are apparent, and mentioned within their own texts. This is the nation that was defiant with Moses(as); they even worshipped the calf in his absence. There is the re-occurring theme of God's anger and forgiveness with them. They eventually denied Jesus even though Allah granted him miracles which could not be explained--along with knowledge in the scriptures; calling them to what they know to be true, as it is known in the Christian scriptures. Yet they denied him, because he was not conforming to the traditions of the Rabbi's--and indeed, he criticized the scribes and the pharisees heavily for leaving the teachings of God:

    "You abandon the commandments of God to follow human traditions.” [Mark 7:8] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...k+7&version=GW

    Allah admonishes them throughout the Quran, and exposes their false claims to righteousness. Read Quran 2:40 onwards: https://quran.com/2/40-50?translations=20
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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post
    He gave me 2 main reasons why they don't accept Jesus & Muhammad (pbut)

    1If a man claims he's a prophet and tells a Jew, they no longer have to keep the Torah laws, they automatically reject him. For exemple, not keeping the sabat , etc.

    Deuteronomy 4-2 : 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
    The problem here lies in that your opponent has assumed the validity of his religion, without having yet proved it.

    1) Prove that the Torah is the Word of God.

    Meaning: Provide positive proofs which suggest that man is not the author of the Torah. After bringing forth affirmative proofs which would satisfy the unbiased intellect, respond to the allegations of: False prophecies, numerical discrepancies, theological contradictions, scientific absurdities/impossibilities, unnecessary stories regarding previous Prophets(as) i.e. Lot(as) and his daughters.

    If the Jewish scriptures are not proven to be from God, then an objective truth seeker would not affirm them blindly, and then use them as a standard. The Quran validates the Jewish scriptures to a degree. Had the Quran not done this, then we would deny Judaism and it's Prophet's(as) as a whole. Islam validates what preceded it; what preceded Islam does not necessarily have to validate Islam. Why? Because Islam has proof making it worthy to follow in the first place. Previous religions have no proof, and therefore, a rational person would reject them as man made religions.

    2) Prove to me that your 'Torah' is preserved perfectly.

    The oldest manuscript dates back to 600BC, and Moses(as) 'allegedly' received the Torah in 1400BC. That leaves 800 years of uncertainty. On top of this, you have all the tribulations the Jewish people faced during the Diaspora—and the majority of scholars believe that the text are a product of Babylonian captivity. Orthodox Judaism runs off pure faith that their scriptures are preserved; not scientific/rational arguments.

    Furthermore, there are problems with the text itself. It is proposed that Moses(as) is the author of the current Torah. How could this be possible when there exists a passage such as this:

    "And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is" [Deuteronomy 34:5-6]

    3) Along with making the above clear to the individual there are many Prophecies, and Biblical references which can sway the individual. But it's extremely important that points 1) and 2) are drilled home.

    Isaiah 42 is a clear prophecy regarding the Prophet Muhammad(saws). Kedar are the Arabs: https://www.bible.com/bible/111/ISA.42.niv

    God has promised the offspring of Ishmael(as) a 'great nation':

    "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation." [Genesis 17:20]

    God curses/criticizes Israel, then makes mention that He will make his name known to the Gentiles. Read the Book of Malachi.
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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Assalamu alaykum

    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post
    Had a dialogue with a jewish guy last week. It was about why Jews Reject Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    He said Jews don't accept him, not because he was an arab. In fact there were many Non-Jewish prophets in their Tanakh (Hebrew Bible).
    Due to the paradox in the perspective of the Jews, I think it's worthwhile mentioning that the Jews do not entirely 'reject' Prophet Muhammad(saws)--yet neither do they 'accept' him. They differ among themselves as to whether or not he was a Prophet(as), but through my research on the matter: they accept Islam as a valid religion for the Gentiles. Meaning that the Gentile is validly approaching Hashem(God) through the teachings of Islam.

    This topic is rather deep, and quite interesting because there are many prophecies found in the Hebrew Scriptures of a Prophet and a Great Nation being granted to the Gentiles, and none but Muhammad(saws) could fit that criteria so perfectly; seeing that they do not view Christianity as a valid monotheistic religion. The affirmation of Islam's 'Gentile validity' is the position of Moses Maimonades (Rambam), who is among Judaisms most influential, and authoritative Rabbis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides
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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post
    Had a dialogue with a jewish guy last week. It was about why Jews Reject Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    He said Jews don't accept him, not because he was an arab. In fact there were many Non-Jewish prophets in their Tanakh (Hebrew Bible).

    He gave me 2 main reasons why they don't accept Jesus & Muhammad (pbut)

    1-If a man claims he's a prophet and tells a Jew, they no longer have to keep the Torah laws, they automatically reject him. For exemple, not keeping the sabat , etc.

    Deuteronomy 4-2 : 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

    2- A prophet has to predict something that is about to happen in the near future and mention every detail. For exemple, if it's about to rain blood at 6:12pm tomorrow, it has to be at 6:12pm, not 5 min early or late. They claim prophet Muhammad predicted a war that is going to happen between 2 and 10 years. Because of that they reject him, because it's not detailed. Even if it came true, that doesn't mean he's a prophet. Magicians are able to do that.

    My question is, do jews have to keep the torah laws, such as the shabat, when converting to Islam. Also how would you counter his second argument?
    Test. Sorry, I wrote a response to this post, but can't send it, because of an error I receive from the site. I'll try to send it piece by piece.

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  • ibrahim8k
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    Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

    Previous revelations are nullified, they don't apply after the Qur'an was revealed, and the advent of Rasul صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم

    In addition the Jewish scriptures are known be corrupted. They abused God all mighty, his prophets with numerous disgusting filth.

    Many of which was elaborated in various threads..

    Lastly the Toraat was never revealed as a revelation till judgement day, it was revealed for the children of Israel and for a specific time. Even their own scriptures prophecise about Rasul صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم

    The Jews unfortunately have made their religion into a racial one

    جزاك الله خيرا
    I don't think anyone believes the Torah was corrupted a long time ago or that it had an expiration date, except Muslims. I also told the Jew I was talking to about our Prophet being mentioned in their Tanakh. For exemple Solomon 5:16. but he refuted my argument by saying that we Muslims take their verses out of context. When you read the previous verses, it doesn't make sense why Prophet Muhammad would be mentioned here.

    Also, he claims the Torah was never corrupted, because when you go to Yemen, or any part of the world with jewish people, it's the same Hebrew Torah. Word by word. This notion of the Torah being corrupted only exists within Islam. So to them, they automatically shut their ears when you say their book is corrupted, just like if a false prophet said the Qur'an was corrupted, and he's bringing a new book. We won't take that guy seriously.

    Based on what he said, he told me that it's not a racial religion as anyone can convert to it, But they don't have to. As long as you keep the 7 laws of Nuh (pbuh) you're saved from hellfire.
    Last edited by ibrahim8k; 14-03-18, 03:37 AM.

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  • islamlife00
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    Originally posted by ibrahim8k View Post
    Had a dialogue with a jewish guy last week. It was about why Jews Reject Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    He said Jews don't accept him, not because he was an arab. In fact there were many Non-Jewish prophets in their Tanakh (Hebrew Bible).

    He gave me 2 main reasons why they don't accept Jesus & Muhammad (pbut)

    1-If a man claims he's a prophet and tells a Jew, they no longer have to keep the Torah laws, they automatically reject him. For exemple, not keeping the sabat , etc.

    Deuteronomy 4-2 : 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

    2- A prophet has to predict something that is about to happen in the near future and mention every detail. For exemple, if it's about to rain blood at 6:12pm tomorrow, it has to be at 6:12pm, not 5 min early or late. They claim prophet Muhammad predicted a war that is going to happen between 2 and 10 years. Because of that they reject him, because it's not detailed. Even if it came true, that doesn't mean he's a prophet. Magicians are able to do that.

    My question is, do jews have to keep the torah laws, such as the shabat, when converting to Islam. Also how would you counter his second argument?
    I remember a Christian told me Jesus (in the Quran, Isa 'alayhi salaam) told the Jews that he did not come to abolish the current law (so he never told the Jews to reject the Torah) yet you know what the Jews had done to Jesus

    Matthew 5:17 "Don't think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

    As to the second point, did all their prophets have this ability to predict in such accuracy, hence they were accepted as prophets by the Jews?

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