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  • Sunni Ashrafi
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    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    Stop going overboard. Prayer behind Deos is fine.
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    المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


    Ashraf Ali Thanwi states in Hifzul Imaan, p.15:

    یہ کہ آپ کی ذات مقدسہ پر علم غیب کا حکم کیا جانا اگر بقول زید صحیح ہو تو دریافت طلب یہ امر ہےکہ اس غیب سے مراد بعض غیب ہے یا کل غیب اگر بعض علوم غیبیہ مراد ہیں تو اسمیں حضور کی ہی کیا تخصیص ہے ایسا علم غیب تو زید و عمر و بلکہ ہر صبی و مجنون بلکہ جمیع حیوانات و بہائم کے لئے بھی حاصل ہے

    "If, according to the questioner, the declaration that the Holy Prophet possesses unseen knowledge is correct, then the question put to this person is: by ‘Unseen Knowledge’ does he mean total knowledge or partial knowledge? If his intention were to refer to partial knowledge, then how is there anything unique about the Holy Prophet because of this? Such unseen knowledge is possessed by every ordinary person, every child and insane person, even all animals possess such knowledge."

    Khalil Ahmad Ambethwi states in Baraheen-e-Qati'ah, p.55:

    از علم و عقل ہے الحاص غور کرنا چاہئے کہ شیطان و ملک الموت کا حال دیکہکر علم محیط زمین کا فخرعالم کو خلاف نصوص قطعیہ کے دلائل محض قیاس فاسدہ سے ثابت کرنا شرک نہیں تو کونسا ایمان کا حصہ ہے شیطان اور ملک الموت کو یہ وسعت نص سے ثابت ہوئی فخر عالم کی وسعت علم کی کونسی نص قطعی ہے


    "Keeping knowledge and common sense in mind, one should consider the following: after seeing the condition of Shaytan and Malak-ul-Maut, if to then try to prove the Unseen Knowledge of the Holy Prophet from the Qur’an and Hadith isn’t Shirk, then what part of Imaan is it? The Unseen Knowledge of Shaytan and Malak-ul-Maut is supported by the Qur’an and Hadith, what evidence is there in the Qur’an and Hadith to prove the existence of the Unseen Knowledge of the Holy Prophet ?"

    Rashid Ahmad Gangohi states in Fatawa Rasheediya, vol. 2, p. 12:

    لفظ رحمة للعالمین صفت خاصہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم کی نہیں ہے بلکہ دیگر اولیاء و انبیا اور علماء ربانیین بھی موجب رحمت عالم ہوتے ہیں

    The title ‘Mercy to all the Worlds’ is not a unique attribute of the Holy Prophet , in fact Saints and Prophets and righteous ‘Ulama are also a cause of bringing mercy to the World (and can therefore also be referred to as 'Mercy to all the Worlds.’)

    Qasim Nanotwi states in Tahzeer-un-Nas, p.25:

    اگر بالفرض بعض زمانہ نبوی صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم میں کوئی نبی پیدا ہو تو پھر بھی خاتمیت محمدی میں کچھ فرق نہ آئیگا

    “If, for argument’s sake, after the time of the Holy Prophet , another Prophet is born, then no change will occur in the finality of Prophethood of the Holy Prophet .”

    Ismail Dehlwi states in Taqwiyatul Imaan, p. 59:

    یعنی انسان آپس میں سب بہائی ہیں جو بڑا بزرگ ہو وہ بڑا بہائی ہے سو اس کی بڑے بہائی کی سی تعظیم کیجئے اور مالک سب کا اللہ ہے بندگی اسی کو چاہیے اس حدیٹ سے معلوم ہوا کہ اولیاء و انبیاء امام اور امام زادے پیر اور شہید یعنی جتنے اللہ کے مقرب بندے ہیں وہ سب انسان ہی ہیں اور بندے عاجز اور ہمارے بہائی مگر اللہ نے ان کو بڑائی دی وہ بڑے بہائی ہوئے

    ” Therefore, all human beings are brothers to each other. A person with a higher status is like an elder brother, so he should me respected like an elder brother, and Allah is the owner of everything, He alone should be worshipped. From this hadith we come to know that Awliya and Prophets, Imams and their sons, Masha’ikh and martyrs, in other words, all those close to Allah, are all human and powerless and our brothers, But Allah has elevated their status, so they are our elder brothers.”

    You call the people with such disgusting beliefs 'Muslims', Allah's curse upon such a person.

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  • Sunni Ashrafi
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    Originally posted by Abrar190 View Post
    Salam. I use to pray at a Barelvi mosque however Alhamdulillah Allah guided me and I’ve come to study Islam myself and learnt that their beliefs involve shirk. So I then started to go to a mosque that’s across the road from it. I just recently came to know that the new mosque I started going to is a Deobandi mosque. And these are the only 2 mosques in my area.
    I heard that a Muslim can’t pray behind either of them groups as there beliefs are corrupt.
    what should I do concerning my Salah ? Do I pray at the Barelvi mosque or Deobandi mosque or do I pray at home ?
    JazakAllah
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    المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


    I’ve come to study Islam myself and learnt that their beliefs involve shirk
    You mean you went on a few Wahhabi websites and listened to a few Wahhabi lectures so now you think you're a Mufti. Name one Barelvi belief that involves Shirk, and quote it directly from the books of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan with the book name and page number, we'll see how good your research was.
    Last edited by Sunni Ashrafi; 05-12-20, 05:56 PM.

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  • Eyas Shah
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    Offer prayer in the nearest mosque whether they be brelwi, deobandi, tablighis, or ahle Hadith.

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  • i.badat
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    Just to add, this stereotyping/labelling is really not helpful when there is only one Masjid in the area, small communities, etc.

    Best thing would be to go to the Imaam of the Masjid, converse with him, ask him for clarification about his beliefs and if you are comfortable with them then pray Salaah behind him.

    (I have met many Imaams in Barelvi Masjids who themselves do not hold beliefs that border on shirk, and in fact are only there to sincerely correct the beliefs of that community, MashaAllah)

    Communication with the right people resolves many differences, whilst labelling and stereotyping causes divisions amongst the Mu'mineen.

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  • i.carrim
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    Seeking advice is not like a bomb to defuse : it is not time-bound.

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  • Kas1m
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    Pray behind deos or barelvis are totally fine. Unless you have proof that a certain imam has crooked beliefs or he has been indulging himself in wrong acts and stuff then it'll be wrong to real salah behind him knowing that. Other than that, they both read the same salah to the same God. Read it and get the good deeds.

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  • Linkdeutscher
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    Stop going overboard. Prayer behind Deos is fine.

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  • Bolt
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    Originally posted by i.carrim View Post
    The masjid first and foremost and then Barelvi or Deobandi.Read in each masjid in turn ,forge your brotherhood with the Ummah and leave the clerics to argue endlessly between themselves.
    Why are you bumping a month-old post

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  • i.carrim
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    The masjid first and foremost and then Barelvi or Deobandi.Read in each masjid in turn ,forge your brotherhood with the Ummah and leave the clerics to argue endlessly between themselves.

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  • Bolt
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    Originally posted by Abrar190 View Post
    Salam. I use to pray at a Barelvi mosque however Alhamdulillah Allah guided me and I’ve come to study Islam myself and learnt that their beliefs involve shirk. So I then started to go to a mosque that’s across the road from it. I just recently came to know that the new mosque I started going to is a Deobandi mosque. And these are the only 2 mosques in my area.
    I heard that a Muslim can’t pray behind either of them groups as there beliefs are corrupt.
    what should I do concerning my Salah ? Do I pray at the Barelvi mosque or Deobandi mosque or do I pray at home ?
    JazakAllah
    This type of question would be better asked to scholars. You can ask it online on sites like islamQA, islamweb etc.

    What I think is that you should probably pray at the mosque of whichever of the two beliefs is less corrupt, because congregational prayer has quite the significance.

    “If three men in a village or in the desert, make no arrangement for Solah in congregation, Satan must have certainly overcome them. So observe Solah in congregation, for the wolf eats up a solitary sheep that stays far from the flock.” (Abu Dawud)
    ​​​​​This hadith comes to my mind.


    This is only what I think however, like I said it would be better to ask a scholar. There is also the website of Assimalhakeem you could try contacting.
    Last edited by Bolt; 13-07-20, 02:03 PM.

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  • Abrar190
    started a topic Need advice.

    Need advice.

    Salam. I use to pray at a Barelvi mosque however Alhamdulillah Allah guided me and I’ve come to study Islam myself and learnt that their beliefs involve shirk. So I then started to go to a mosque that’s across the road from it. I just recently came to know that the new mosque I started going to is a Deobandi mosque. And these are the only 2 mosques in my area.
    I heard that a Muslim can’t pray behind either of them groups as there beliefs are corrupt.
    what should I do concerning my Salah ? Do I pray at the Barelvi mosque or Deobandi mosque or do I pray at home ?
    JazakAllah

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