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    #16
    Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

    Originally posted by WolfandBear123 View Post
    Racism has always bugged me for as long as I can remeber and more recently finding out that the two sheiks I held dear most in ibn Taymiyah and Albani support the belief that Arabs are superior...It is the last straw.

    When people are racist its fine, cause hey its imperfect creations. But now that I have learned that your geographical location birthplace and ethnic background can make you superior to others I have given up.

    It is hypocracy at its best. Muslims always talk about how can men be responsible for the sins of the past when trying to counter christianity...

    How can Arabs today be any superior when many of them are incompetent, kabsa eating lazy people. Not to mention they are in an absoulte humiliation.


    let these sink in, I as a Minority have been less racially judged in a non-muslim environment. Before Islam, I was with women off different ethnicities and i even met their families.

    Fact is, racism in islam is so subtle yet to engrained. While Non muslims have a lot of extreme racist, the numbers of non-racist individuals fare great in number.

    Tldr?

    - Many Muslims are racist
    - Scholars support Ethnic superiority.
    As far as I am aware , the only reasons why Arabs are said to be superior is because they speak the language of the Quran.
    In the Quran there are multiple verses which say no one is better than anyone except in piety .So if this is true is the Quran wrong then?
    What eaxctly did they say ?
    Ya Allah,
    Make me a stronger person today. Make me a better person out of all these. It is no longer bearable for me for my heart is aching and You are the only One who knows how I feel. Nothing is making sense to myself and for anyone else for that matter especially to the one person I wish to understand me better than anybody else.
    "Don't use the sharpness of your tongue on the mother who taught you how to speak

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      #17
      Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

      Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
      You anonymously accuse two righteous and pious scholars of hypocrisy and deficiency in character, and then say you want to leave Islam.

      And you add at the bottom, perhaps by mistake, your, talking points.

      I don't believe you. Rather, I suspect you are a liar, a false propagandist seeking to attack Islam, especially " salafi dawah" as part of the kufar's imperial domination over the MUSLIM world.

      You don't show any sign of being a Muslim.

      Where have these scholars shown "racism"? Where is the evidence?
      Where is the evidence against all Muslims? And wh are t circumstances surrounding Muslim societies?

      Rather, your post on this forum appears to be that of a disbelieving troll.

      Both of the pious shuyukh are free of your slanderous lies.
      Relax brother , believe it or not some people do have doubts and some people are not as knowledgeable as you or others. You don't have any evidence to accuse of being a troll so , take it easy.
      Ya Allah,
      Make me a stronger person today. Make me a better person out of all these. It is no longer bearable for me for my heart is aching and You are the only One who knows how I feel. Nothing is making sense to myself and for anyone else for that matter especially to the one person I wish to understand me better than anybody else.
      "Don't use the sharpness of your tongue on the mother who taught you how to speak

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        #18
        Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

        Unbelievable. is this your response to someone in a quandary whether it be real or perceived. It has been quoted that Ibn Taymiyyah said this. It is true that many Arabs are colourist and/or racist along with having other actions that even you yourself may find unsettling. In actual fact the Arab women in my family are not premitted to marry non- Arabs however this is less to do with race and more to do with suitable matches. That been said there is a purity in Islam and one would hope that was the thing that attracted you to the deen and nothing else.

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          #19
          Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

          Originally posted by fatooti View Post
          Unbelievable. is this your response to someone in a quandary whether it be real or perceived. It has been quoted that Ibn Taymiyyah said this. It is true that many Arabs are colourist and/or racist along with having other actions that even you yourself may find unsettling. In actual fact the Arab women in my family are not premitted to marry non- Arabs however this is less to do with race and more to do with suitable matches. That been said there is a purity in Islam and one would hope that was the thing that attracted you to the deen and nothing else.
          Believe it or not.

          The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Judges are of three types, one of whom will go to Paradise and two to Hell. The one who will go to Paradise is a man who knows what is right and gives judgment accordingly; but a man who knows what is right and acts tyrannically in his judgment will go to Hell; and a man who gives judgment for people when he is ignorant will go to Hell.
          [sahih Abu Dawud]

          The OP exposed his bigotry by judging Arabs and these pious scholars in ignorance.

          He showed he favored kufr ideas and kufar people or Islam and Muslims, especially Arab Muslims.

          Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah's words were discussed in depth here:

          http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...-sermon/page2&

          The context of the texts of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah are of the measure of the superiority of he individual in piety, not any other factor. Thus, the notion of racialism- that an individual is superior to another solely because of his tribe, or skin color, or lineage, is not from Islam And is repugnant in Islam.

          The context of the OP was he applied kafir ideology by which he judges. Kafir ideology of racialism is tied to the 18th and 19th century ce man made ideology of race such that "Aryaniism" and Caucasian or Indo Asian races are the most evolved and highest forms. And the lowest form closest to animals are Negroid and Jews. This evil ideology defined the colonial era and justified atrocities throughout the world by European imperial powers.

          None of this is related to what Ibn Taymiyah was addressing.

          And the real context of the OP appears to be to falsely connect Pious scholars who are favored by Salafi Dawah to atrocities committed by Western powers who corrupted the earth today in order to condemn and denigrate the Dawah to Islam and the Salaf was salih.
          Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
          " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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            #20
            Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

            Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
            Believe it or not.

            The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Judges are of three types, one of whom will go to Paradise and two to Hell. The one who will go to Paradise is a man who knows what is right and gives judgment accordingly; but a man who knows what is right and acts tyrannically in his judgment will go to Hell; and a man who gives judgment for people when he is ignorant will go to Hell.
            [sahih Abu Dawud]

            The OP exposed his bigotry by judging Arabs and these pious scholars in ignorance.

            He showed he favored kufr ideas and kufar people or Islam and Muslims, especially Arab Muslims.

            Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah's words were discussed in depth here:

            http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...-sermon/page2&

            The context of the texts of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah are of the measure of the superiority of he individual in piety, not any other factor. Thus, the notion of racialism- that an individual is superior to another solely because of his tribe, or skin color, or lineage, is not from Islam And is repugnant in Islam.

            The context of the OP was he applied kafir ideology by which he judges. Kafir ideology of racialism is tied to the 18th and 19th century ce man made ideology of race such that "Aryaniism" and Caucasian or Indo Asian races are the most evolved and highest forms. And the lowest form closest to animals are Negroid and Jews. This evil ideology defined the colonial era and justified atrocities throughout the world by European imperial powers.

            None of this is related to what Ibn Taymiyah was addressing.

            And the real context of the OP appears to be to falsely connect Pious scholars who are favored by Salafi Dawah to atrocities committed by Western powers who corrupted the earth today in order to condemn and denigrate the Dawah to Islam and the Salaf was salih.
            Settle down ya ahki, I don't think the OP is as smart as you claim

            He's probably just a minority that goes through a lot of discrimination within the Islamic community.

            You probably have never been racially profiled, judged etc to understand so I can understand your virtuous and genuine intention.

            But once you realize that minorities do get racially profiled and disadvantaged, you might start to understand why the OP was as confused as he was/is.

            Hopefully he's been able to fix himself.
            Stop being apologetic to Kuffars!

            If I don't engage with you or reply to any of your question, it's likely because I find you racist and a total waste of time.

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              #21
              Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

              Originally posted by WolfandBear123 View Post
              Racism has always bugged me for as long as I can remeber and more recently finding out that the two sheiks I held dear most in ibn Taymiyah and Albani support the belief that Arabs are superior...It is the last straw.

              When people are racist its fine, cause hey its imperfect creations. But now that I have learned that your geographical location birthplace and ethnic background can make you superior to others I have given up.

              It is hypocracy at its best. Muslims always talk about how can men be responsible for the sins of the past when trying to counter christianity...

              How can Arabs today be any superior when many of them are incompetent, kabsa eating lazy people. Not to mention they are in an absoulte humiliation.


              let these sink in, I as a Minority have been less racially judged in a non-muslim environment. Before Islam, I was with women off different ethnicities and i even met their families.

              Fact is, racism in islam is so subtle yet to engrained. While Non muslims have a lot of extreme racist, the numbers of non-racist individuals fare great in number.

              Tldr?

              - Many Muslims are racist
              - Scholars support Ethnic superiority.
              superiority that is mentioned is not how you think it is, you think its like how kkk view their superiority over black people,
              the two types are completely different, the arabs are honored because their tongue is arabic which the quran was revealedin thus chosen by Allah, and the messenger s.a.w. was arab chosen by Allah, hadith also mention that the best of the arabs are quraish and the best of quraish is banu hashim and the prophet s.a.w. is the best of banu hashim will you accuse the messenger s.a.w. and islam of tribalism?? if someone said non arabs are animals or smthing like that then its racist, but saying that a certain people are better because they have a natural advantage over others in deen matters is not racist, you have been afflicted with the ideas of the kufaar,
              The arabs have a degree over other muslims. but if the arab fails in the deen he is infact worse than the non arab who sin is the same.

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                #22
                Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

                Originally posted by WolfandBear123 View Post
                Racism has always bugged me for as long as I can remeber and more recently finding out that the two sheiks I held dear most in ibn Taymiyah and Albani support the belief that Arabs are superior...It is the last straw.

                When people are racist its fine, cause hey its imperfect creations. But now that I have learned that your geographical location birthplace and ethnic background can make you superior to others I have given up.

                It is hypocracy at its best. Muslims always talk about how can men be responsible for the sins of the past when trying to counter christianity...

                How can Arabs today be any superior when many of them are incompetent, kabsa eating lazy people. Not to mention they are in an absoulte humiliation.


                let these sink in, I as a Minority have been less racially judged in a non-muslim environment. Before Islam, I was with women off different ethnicities and i even met their families.

                Fact is, racism in islam is so subtle yet to engrained. While Non muslims have a lot of extreme racist, the numbers of non-racist individuals fare great in number.

                Tldr?

                - Many Muslims are racist
                - Scholars support Ethnic superiority.
                This is the most Absurd reason to leave Islam,

                You know Islam condemns Racism, but your leaving Islam because of Racism,

                Talk about insanity

                As for superiority, a Believer is by definition superior to a Kaafir/Mushrik, so if you leave Islam, you will only be degrading yourself.
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                "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

                – Imam al-Shafi’i (Rahimahullah)

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                  #23
                  Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

                  Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
                  This is the most Absurd reason to leave Islam,

                  You know Islam condemns Racism, but your leaving Islam because of Racism,

                  Talk about insanity

                  As for superiority, a Believer is by definition superior to a Kaafir/Mushrik, so if you leave Islam, you will only be degrading yourself.
                  superb point, he only lowers himself, also he should know he can be superior to maanny arabs if he stuck to the haqq

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                    #24
                    Re: Considering leaving Islam due to Racial heirchy in Islamic communities..

                    Originally posted by Dontknowname View Post
                    superb point, he only lowers himself, also he should know he can be superior to maanny arabs if he stuck to the haqq
                    Akhi this all boils down to why the op accepted Islam in the first place,

                    If he did it because he believed it is the Haqq, then regardless of what others do, he would remain steadfast.

                    If he did it to join a community, or get along with others, then you end up with Absurd reasons like the ones posted by op to leave Islam.

                    :jkk:
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                    "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

                    – Imam al-Shafi’i (Rahimahullah)

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