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  • #91
    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post

    Don't think you know what trolling means.



    'Prohibitively disliked' is a Hanafi thing, don't conflate it with other things. There are opinions that it is mubah as well, and makrooh is a category of halal. Makrooh is halal.

    Get that.

    Not haraam, like you're trying to falsely portray it as such with your shock words 'prohibitively disliked'.

    Makrooh isn't something explicitly defined in Islam and is more of a later day fiqhi division.

    You either sin, or you don't.



    Maybe stop making retarded assumptions. 'Desires', 'attention', yeah I could make plenty of assumptions about you too but I'll refrain because I don't like making a joke of myself.



    Lol, you don't own this thread. This isn't how public forums work.
    Well looking at many of your posts in this forum then many can be deemed as trolling, but maybe that's just your personality and the way you are. Fair enough, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Well Mr Wahabi, Salafi Scholars are unanimous that Masterbation is Haraam, so I'm not sure which Scholars you are hand picking and choosing in accordance with your desires? Just because one may indulge in a particular act in one's privacy then it doesn't mean one should also get on a defensive and try to justify it. It maybe that in doing so one may mislead others and will therefore as a consequence become responsible for their misdeeds too. Surely not worth the risk staunchly justifying, encouraging and supporting such an issue for such consequences!

    Many other great Scholars of the past and present also deemed it as Haraam. Hanafi Scholars state that it is either Haraam or prohibitively disliked. Meaning a Mukruh which is close to Haraam. Well you may say "Hanafi thing" but Imaan Abu Hanifa was a Salaf. So it's a "Salaf" thing.

    Even Mukruh on its own means "disliked" which means that it is not encouraged. However you and one or two others seem to be staunchly justifying and even encouraging others to continue indulging in this abhorrent habit. Surely we should be re-evaluating our priorities?

    That's fine I can't stop you from posting in this thread, but surely you should respect the title and purpose of this thread which is to offer help, advice and counsel to those who wish to stop this detrimental habit. However If you want to encourage, discuss or debate this topic further then feel free to open another thread. I for one will not be responding to any further discussion or debates surrounding this topic in this thread.
    Last edited by hamza81; 11-09-21, 11:55 PM.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post

      Well looking at many of your posts in this forum then many can be deemed as trolling, but maybe that's just your personality and the way you are. Fair enough, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
      Poor logic, even if I do troll in some or a lot of my posts, this is an Islamic issue and you should know better than to accuse me of trolling merely because I may troll regarding other things.


      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post
      Well Mr Wahabi, Salafi Scholars are unanimous that Masterbation is Haraam, so I'm not sure which Scholars you are hand picking and choosing in accordance with your desires? Just because one may indulge in a particular act in one's privacy then it doesn't mean one should also get on a defensive and try to justify it. It maybe that in doing so one may mislead others and will therefore as a consequence become responsible for their misdeeds too. Surely not worth the risk staunchly justifying, encouraging and supporting such an issue for such consequences!
      I am not a Wahabi nor a Salafi. Don't care about what Salafi scholars say, only evidences. And there are plenty of Salafi scholars who say it's not haraam.

      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post
      choosing in accordance with your desires? Just because one may indulge in a particular act in one's privacy then it doesn't mean one should also get on a defensive and try to justify it.
      Did I hit a nerve? Why are you getting personal now? So I follow my evil desires to masturbate and hence am trying to justify it? Fear Allah. Can't you remain academic during a discussion?

      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post
      Many other great Scholars of the past and present also deemed it as Haraam. Hanafi Scholars state that it is either Haraam or prohibitively disliked. Meaning a Mukruh which is close to Haraam. Well you may say "Hanafi thing" but Imaan Abu Hanifa was a Salaf. So it's a "Salaf" thing.
      And plenty deemed it not haraam.

      Prohibitively disliked is a made up thing. You may follow it because 'Hunfi' but don't mix it with the default meaning of makrooh.

      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post
      Well you may say "Hanafi thing" but Imaan Abu Hanifa was a Salaf. So it's a "Salaf" thing.
      Is this supposed to be an attempt at trolling? Because it's a pathetic one.


      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post
      Even Mukruh on its own means "disliked" which means that it is not encouraged. However you and one or two others seem to be staunchly justifying and even encouraging others to continue indulging in this abhorrent habit. Surely we should be re-evaluating our priorities?
      Show me the precise definition of makrooh from the Quran and Sunnah.

      And then show me why masturbation is makrooh. It's either haram, or halal. And even if you do prove it's makrooh, makrooh as I already clearly said falls under halaal. Makrooh is a subcategory of halaal actions at best. Trying to associate makrooh with haram is pure deception.

      I don't know where I 'encouraged' anyone to masturbate. My contention is simple, it's not conclusively proven from the Quran and Sunnah that masturbation is haram.

      And if someone does masturbate to relieve their desires and save themselves from zina, it's no big deal.


      Originally posted by hamza81 View Post
      That's fine I can't stop you from posting in this thread, but surely you should respect the title and purpose of this thread which is to offer help, advice and counsel to those who wish to stop this detrimental habit. However If you want to encourage, discuss or debate this topic further then feel free to open another thread. I for one will not be responding to any further discussion or debates surrounding this topic in this thread.
      Your thread is about masturbation being indisputably haram and is making a claim about the deen of Allah. I am challenging that claim, it's fully relevant to the thread.

      You don't have to reply further, you can only rant and throw sly remarks and trying to deceptively mix up some Hanafi exclusive terminology with general terminology. You have shown zero evidence that masturbation is haram.
      Last edited by Linkdeutscher; 15-09-21, 10:20 PM.
      You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

      You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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      • #93
        Imagine taking the words of scholars over the words of our Prophet peace be upon him. That's the measuring stick along with the Qu'ran. Does Allah allow masturbation in the Qu'ran? NOPE. Prophet Mohammed said in various narrations of a hadith in Bukhari, Muslim and others where he tells the people to fast to stop sexual urges. Why didn't he tell them to masturbate instead? Even when a sahaba asked to castrate himself he didn't tell him to masturbate but said to fast. Therefore, following some scholarly opinion on this matter is pure ignorance and can not be used as evidence that superimposes a ruling on the muslims above the words of Allah and his messenger. Watch sheikh Uthman Farooq's video on this topic where he replies to Dr Zakir Naik. Completely destroys the "masturbation is makrooh and not haram" garbage people say nowadays.

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        • #94


          in our deen,
          It is clearly haram and shamefull to watch more than animalistic and shamefull acts of zinna.
          Just ask yourself how can you get an erected state to such shameful haram great sinn acts?

          Please install a porn blocker, write a large say number password, and destroy the paper afterwards.

          You do not need such great sinns in your life.

          Ask a lot of estegfar.

          Get into gym every day, for at least 20 mins cardio and 20 mins weights.
          Start to spend time in library.
          Maybe you will find there a good potential wife to offer marriage inshaAllah.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post

            Sadly OP can't accept a difference on the issue and will just keep on ranting.
            He's probably frustrated that he didn't masturbate/struggled when he was younger and now can't accept that others believe that it is halal.

            I don't blame him, but that just doesn't make it haram. I need explicit proof where the prophet is clearly talking about this act of masturbation being haram, if not, then it's makrooh worst case and trying to blackmail someone by mentioning "the scholars" is so childish, it's not gonna work because I can bring so many that say it's halal including my local imam.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by hamza81 View Post

              Do you actually follow your local Scholars on the issue of Masterbation? Or is this something that you did your own research on and handpicked opinions according to your desires, making your own "Lay man Ijtihad" on? This is because the stance of Salafi Scholars is clear and unanimously in favour of it being totally Haraam or at least prohibitively disliked.

              Your the one that has made a huge deal of it, staunchly going against the vast majority of Scholars on this issue, including your own Scholars, and trying to justify a filthy, detrimental habit as well as downplaying the destructive consequences it is having on our society. However If you cannot see that then I cannot make the blind see.
              I do, the imam admitted that it's not clear and didn't say haram either.

              So is it suddenly makrooh/halal for me now?

              Ok, let's end the discussion then, khalaas.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Amuslim123 View Post
                Imagine taking the words of scholars over the words of our Prophet peace be upon him. That's the measuring stick along with the Qu'ran. Does Allah allow masturbation in the Qu'ran? NOPE. Prophet Mohammed said in various narrations of a hadith in Bukhari, Muslim and others where he tells the people to fast to stop sexual urges. Why didn't he tell them to masturbate instead? Even when a sahaba asked to castrate himself he didn't tell him to masturbate but said to fast. Therefore, following some scholarly opinion on this matter is pure ignorance and can not be used as evidence that superimposes a ruling on the muslims above the words of Allah and his messenger. Watch sheikh Uthman Farooq's video on this topic where he replies to Dr Zakir Naik. Completely destroys the "masturbation is makrooh and not haram" garbage people say nowadays.
                The asl is halal for worldly issues, so if not made haraam explicitly, it remains halal

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                • #98
                  This is a sticky topic indeed..

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