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  • #31
    Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

    Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
    why did you remove the halwa statement?
    because that would be immature

    sitting at the gates of king doughnut

    my scholars said crap flies when u open ur mouth
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    • #32
      Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

      Originally posted by muslimboy764 View Post
      You really don't know what the ulema have to say, do you? You just find a random fatwa and twist its meaning around.

      IslamQA

      "You must convince your heart that whatever Allah has decreed is most appropriate and most beneficial for you." ~ Imam Al Ghazali.

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      • #33
        Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

        Originally posted by muslimboy764 View Post
        based on whose understanding
        Al-Qurtubi in his Tafsir (2:364) on verse 111 of Surat al-Tawba cited the following words from Imam Muhammad ibn al-Hasan:
        "If a single man charged against a thousand mushriks alone, there is no harm in it if he hopes to escape with his life or to at least harm the enemy. Otherwise, it is abominable, because he exposed himself to destruction without benefit for the Muslims. However, if his intent was to embolden the Muslims against the enemy as an example for them to follow, then it would not be far-fetched to say it is permissible because, from certain perspectives, there is benefit in it for the Muslims. And if his intent is to terrorize the enemy (fa-in kana qasduhu irhaba al-`aduw) so that the latter understand that the Muslims are unyielding when it comes to Religion, then it is not far-fetched to say it is permissible. WHEN THERE IS BENEFIT IN IT FOR THE MUSLIMS AND HIS (THE MUSLIM'S) LIFE IS DESTROYED IN ORDER TO STRENGTHEN THE RELIGION OF ALLAH AND WEAKEN UNBELIEF, THIS IS THE TRULY NOBLE STATION WHICH ALLAH MOST HIGH PRAISED WHEN HE SAID, {Truly Allah has bought from the believers their lives and properties} (9:111) AMONG OTHER VERSES PRAISING WHOEVER SACRIFICES HIMSELF (man badhala nafsah). In such fashion alone is the ruling of commanding good and forbidding evil understood."

        Ibn Nujaym wrote:

        "In the Tajnis [=al-Marghinani's al-Tajnis wal-Mazid fil-Fatawa]: 'A man who pursued (qasada) the enemy to strike him but erred and struck himself then died is washed [as a non-shaheed deceased], because he did not become killed by an act attributed to the enemy; however, he is a shaheed in the reward he obtains in the hereafter, because he was pursuing the enemy, not himself.' The term 'killed' is unconditional and includes direct killing or killing through secondary causes, as [in either case] his killing is attributed to them [the disbelievers]:
        Don't depend too much on anyone in this world because even your own shadow leaves you when you are in the darkness

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        • #34
          Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

          Originally posted by Repentant View Post
          You really don't know what the ulema have to say, do you? You just find a random fatwa and twist its meaning around.

          IslamQA

          In Islam there is a law that states if a Muslim intends to single-handedly attack the enemy in battle and knows that he won’t come back alive but also has full confidence that such an attack will cause tremendous harm to the enemy and will crush their morale, then such a solo attack is permissible. Though outwardly it seems like suicide, but the outcome in this case justifies such an attack. In this case the Muslim is not doing anything to kill himself; instead he is launching an attack against the odds with the hope of inflicting severe harm on the enemy. This is allowed and in fact recommended. Imam Muhammad (Rahmatullaahi Alayh) of the Hanafi Scholars mentioned this in detail in his book As-Siyarul-Kabeer. Allama Qurtubi (Rahmatullaahi Alayh), a famous commentator of the Holy Qur’aan mentioned incidents of this nature among the Sahaabah and the former Mujaahideen.


          However, if the result will not be harmful to the enemy nor will such an attack inflict considerable or substantial harm on them then it is an exercise in futility and is not permissible, because this is contrary to the verse of the Holy Qur’aan where Allah Ta’aala declares:
          “And do not cast yourselves to destruction” (Surah 2, verse 195) “O Believers! …… Do not kill yourselves” (Surah 4, verse 29) These verses imply situations where there is no meaningful benefit or impact achieved while the attacker is actively taking his own life.
          In modern-day suicide bombings the attacker is not killed by the enemy, nor does he actively attack the enemy. Instead the bomber detonates an explosive that kills himself first, and then the enemy. So it is the bomber who absorbs the brunt of the explosion. This type of attack is clearly different to the former methods of attack where the fighter would launch himself at the enemy, kill a few before being killed. In today’s ‘suicide attacks’ the attacker kills himself and then the enemy. In most cases, the killing of the enemy is not guaranteed, as events have proven. At times these suicidal attacks did wreak major havoc among the enemy but these successes are few and far between.


          Based on this we would say that if the attacker is almost certain or has full confidence that he will be able to inflict heavy losses on the enemy then he will be allowed to resort to this mode of attack with the intention that the explosive is being detonated at the enemy or for the purpose of blowing up the enemy. There should never be the intention of killing oneself or blowing up oneself. If the chances of major damage are slim or almost nought, then this type of attack will not be permissible.




          Heavy losses mean such damage that will make it difficult for the enemy to continue normal aggression against Muslims, or will instil such fear in them that they will desist from causing further harm to Muslims. Just killing a handful or Kuffaar, and inviting further and heavier aggression from their side does not seem to be justification for the permissibility of such suicidal operations..



          Having said all the above, it must be noted that any Muslim who takes part in such suicidal bombings in war-torn and battle-ravaged areas will not be condemned for this action because in the final analysis outside observers will not know what the affected people are going through and the state of their personal and inner emotions. We would never realise what drove a man or a woman to the point where he or she will strap the body with explosives and go out there and die.

          And Allah Ta’aala knows best.

          Mufti Siraj Desai

          The Kuffar have been increasing in Afghanistan for the last 10 years and they are still there till this day and still killing Muslims


          and nothing was random from the fatwa in the first post. It pertained to suicide bombing and i post what it was word for word
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          • #35
            Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

            Originally posted by muslimboy764 View Post
            In modern-day suicide bombings the attacker is not killed by the enemy, nor does he actively attack the enemy. Instead the bomber detonates an explosive that kills himself first, and then the enemy. So it is the bomber who absorbs the brunt of the explosion. This type of attack is clearly different to the former methods of attack where the fighter would launch himself at the enemy, kill a few before being killed. In today’s ‘suicide attacks’ the attacker kills himself and then the enemy. In most cases, the killing of the enemy is not guaranteed, as events have proven. At times these suicidal attacks did wreak major havoc among the enemy but these successes are few and far between.


            Heavy losses mean such damage that will make it difficult for the enemy to continue normal aggression against Muslims, or will instil such fear in them that they will desist from causing further harm to Muslims. Just killing a handful or Kuffaar, and inviting further and heavier aggression from their side does not seem to be justification for the permissibility of such suicidal operations..



            Having said all the above, it must be noted that any Muslim who takes part in such suicidal bombings in war-torn and battle-ravaged areas will not be condemned for this action because in the final analysis outside observers will not know what the affected people are going through and the state of their personal and inner emotions. We would never realise what drove a man or a woman to the point where he or she will strap the body with explosives and go out there and die.

            And Allah Ta’aala knows best.

            Mufti Siraj Desai

            The Kuffar have been increasing in Afghanistan for the last 10 years and they are still there till this day and still killing Muslims


            and nothing was random from the fatwa in the first post. It pertained to suicide bombing and i post what it was word for word
            Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

            Correct. Suicide bombing is not like charging into battle, it is clearly different and a severe sin.
            Humiliating people in the name of religion is the practice of someone deprived of the first fruit of religion, humility.-Nouman Ali Khan

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            • #36
              Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

              Originally posted by Mustafa Mahmud View Post
              Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

              Correct. Suicide bombing is not like charging into battle, it is clearly different and a severe sin.
              Wrong

              Al-Qurtubi in his Tafsir (2:364) on verse 111 of Surat al-Tawba cited the following words from Imam Muhammad ibn al-Hasan:
              "If a single man charged against a thousand mushriks alone, there is no harm in it if he hopes to escape with his life or to at least harm the enemy. Otherwise, it is abominable, because he exposed himself to destruction without benefit for the Muslims. However, if his intent was to embolden the Muslims against the enemy as an example for them to follow, then it would not be far-fetched to say it is permissible because, from certain perspectives, there is benefit in it for the Muslims. And if his intent is to terrorize the enemy (fa-in kana qasduhu irhaba al-`aduw) so that the latter understand that the Muslims are unyielding when it comes to Religion, then it is not far-fetched to say it is permissible. WHEN THERE IS BENEFIT IN IT FOR THE MUSLIMS AND HIS (THE MUSLIM'S) LIFE IS DESTROYED IN ORDER TO STRENGTHEN THE RELIGION OF ALLAH AND WEAKEN UNBELIEF, THIS IS THE TRULY NOBLE STATION WHICH ALLAH MOST HIGH PRAISED WHEN HE SAID, {Truly Allah has bought from the believers their lives and properties} (9:111) AMONG OTHER VERSES PRAISING WHOEVER SACRIFICES HIMSELF (man badhala nafsah). In such fashion alone is the ruling of commanding good and forbidding evil understood."
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              • #37
                Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                Originally posted by Ariadne View Post
                Well well well, a Madkhali is coming to the town.

                Wait until Abu Mubarak, Ahaneefah, Saif-uddin, and Muslim First get this thread and eat you alive :1popcorn:
                Hold on a second brothers and sisters.....it is true that Madkhalee and his ilk and type are disgusting. However, suicide bombings are clearly a crime. There is no way out of that. How would you like it if some suicide bomber exploded at a funeral of a relative killing 100 people? That's not obscene?
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                • #38
                  Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                  From `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As: They asked: "Messenger of Allah! What jihad is the best?" He replied: "Whoever hamstrung his steed, and his blood was spilled."
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                  • #39
                    Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                    Originally posted by Mustafa Mahmud View Post
                    Hold on a second brothers and sisters.....it is true that Madkhalee and his ilk and type are disgusting. However, suicide bombings are clearly a crime. There is no way out of that. How would you like it if some suicide bomber exploded at a funeral of a relative killing 100 people? That's not obscene?
                    Wrong again. Sucicde bombing is a western term. This is Jihad
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                    • #40
                      Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                      Originally posted by FutureImam View Post
                      From `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As: They asked: "Messenger of Allah! What jihad is the best?" He replied: "Whoever hamstrung his steed, and his blood was spilled."
                      How is Suicide Bombing Considered Jihad?
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                      • #41
                        Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                        Originally posted by Mustafa Mahmud View Post
                        Hold on a second brothers and sisters.....it is true that Madkhalee and his ilk and type are disgusting. However, suicide bombings are clearly a crime. There is no way out of that. How would you like it if some suicide bomber exploded at a funeral of a relative killing 100 people? That's not obscene?
                        I already said im against Suicide Bombing
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                        • #42
                          Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                          Originally posted by muslimboy764 View Post
                          How is Suicide Bombing Considered Jihad?
                          This is not suicide but fighting in the cause of Allah.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                            Originally posted by FutureImam View Post
                            Wrong

                            Al-Qurtubi in his Tafsir (2:364) on verse 111 of Surat al-Tawba cited the following words from Imam Muhammad ibn al-Hasan:
                            "If a single man charged against a thousand mushriks alone, there is no harm in it if he hopes to escape with his life or to at least harm the enemy. Otherwise, it is abominable, because he exposed himself to destruction without benefit for the Muslims. However, if his intent was to embolden the Muslims against the enemy as an example for them to follow, then it would not be far-fetched to say it is permissible because, from certain perspectives, there is benefit in it for the Muslims. And if his intent is to terrorize the enemy (fa-in kana qasduhu irhaba al-`aduw) so that the latter understand that the Muslims are unyielding when it comes to Religion, then it is not far-fetched to say it is permissible. WHEN THERE IS BENEFIT IN IT FOR THE MUSLIMS AND HIS (THE MUSLIM'S) LIFE IS DESTROYED IN ORDER TO STRENGTHEN THE RELIGION OF ALLAH AND WEAKEN UNBELIEF, THIS IS THE TRULY NOBLE STATION WHICH ALLAH MOST HIGH PRAISED WHEN HE SAID, {Truly Allah has bought from the believers their lives and properties} (9:111) AMONG OTHER VERSES PRAISING WHOEVER SACRIFICES HIMSELF (man badhala nafsah). In such fashion alone is the ruling of commanding good and forbidding evil understood."
                            Heavy losses mean such damage that will make it difficult for the enemy to continue normal aggression against Muslims, or will instil such fear in them that they will desist from causing further harm to Muslims. Just killing a handful or Kuffaar, and inviting further and heavier aggression from their side does not seem to be justification for the permissibility of such suicidal operations..
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                            • #44
                              Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                              Originally posted by FutureImam View Post
                              This is not suicide but fighting in the cause of Allah.
                              In modern-day suicide bombings the attacker is not killed by the enemy, nor does he actively attack the enemy. Instead the bomber detonates an explosive that kills himself first, and then the enemy. So it is the bomber who absorbs the brunt of the explosion. This type of attack is clearly different to the former methods of attack where the fighter would launch himself at the enemy, kill a few before being killed. In today’s ‘suicide attacks’ the attacker kills himself and then the enemy. In most cases, the killing of the enemy is not guaranteed, as events have proven. At times these suicidal attacks did wreak major havoc among the enemy but these successes are few and far between.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Taliban Extremism Sickening Tatics

                                Originally posted by muslimboy764 View Post
                                Heavy losses mean such damage that will make it difficult for the enemy to continue normal aggression against Muslims, or will instil such fear in them that they will desist from causing further harm to Muslims. Just killing a handful or Kuffaar, and inviting further and heavier aggression from their side does not seem to be justification for the permissibility of such suicidal operations..
                                This according to you. But the more Mujahideen the better. You said to bring you something to support Jihad in this way (I will not call it suicide for that is a disgrace to the honorable Mujhaideen) I have no you are saying it does not matter because more Kuffar will come and help the Kuffar guess what they should tell you? More Muslims should go and help there Brothers.
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