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  • UmmAbdullah86
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    Originally posted by aelmo View Post
    I should iterate that the things that ummabdullah86 is mentioning is not something that you see everywhere in Arab countries. Some places are worse then others but obviously if you live in a better area you won't see stuff like that but I think that goes for every country muslim and none muslim. You see different behaviours and mentalities depending on what area you are in. This isn't something that is exclusive to muslim countries.


    However this is actually a topic that I do want to hear peoples opinions on so just to stay on track, do those of you who live in the west feel safe being a muslim and practicing islam while living there?
    Yes this is something that I have to reiterate that isn't typical either. This is why wherever you are you should strive to live in a good area where crime is as minimum as possible.

    Back to the topic....

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  • aelmo
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    I should iterate that the things that ummabdullah86 is mentioning is not something that you see everywhere in Arab countries. Some places are worse then others but obviously if you live in a better area you won't see stuff like that but I think that goes for every country muslim and none muslim. You see different behaviours and mentalities depending on what area you are in. This isn't something that is exclusive to muslim countries.


    However this is actually a topic that I do want to hear peoples opinions on so just to stay on track, do those of you who live in the west feel safe being a muslim and practicing islam while living there?

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  • Eorlingas
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    Originally posted by RuthlessSoftie View Post
    That same crowd of boys outside the girls school is a real deal in Muslim countries it seems. My cousin was telling me about how he and others had to clear out some weirdos who did the exact same thing outside a girl's college in pakistan. My friend got into a fight with some pervert at the airport in Pakistan because he was so obviously staring at his mum or sisters and so my friends punched him.

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  • UmmAbdullah86
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    Originally posted by Eorlingas View Post

    No wonder most Arab countries are buggered..if you'll pardon the pun.

    But seriously this seems ingrained in the culture..disgusting. Is this because they don't have access to women? I'm aware this goes on in western all boys boarding schools which explains why the upper classes are messed up, but if your average Arab kid is having to go through that, then no wonder they are a nation of deviants.
    Yes I think most abuse that goes on is due to sexual frustration. I was highly shocked at how sexualized society was to be honest, and how young children had knowledge. I think this is because big families live in very over crowded houses and it's easy for children to pick up on these things. I wouldn't say this is normal all over BTW, but in poorer areas definitely it is more visible.

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  • RuthlessSoftie
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    That same crowd of boys outside the girls school is a real deal in Muslim countries it seems. My cousin was telling me about how he and others had to clear out some weirdos who did the exact same thing outside a girl's college in pakistan. My friend got into a fight with some pervert at the airport in Pakistan because he was so obviously staring at his mum or sisters and so my friends punched him.

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  • aelmo
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    Originally posted by UmmAbdullah86 View Post

    Not attacked, no, but leered at in the street. When people realized I'm from the west unfortunately many felt that was synonymous with me being a 'loose woman' subhanAllah. A good friend of mine (who is very practising) said men used to put their hands around the bus seat to feel up her rear end when they heard her speaking English to her children.

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    A coworker I had from Egypt said that that has happened to her there too. I'm sure it happens in Lebenon too but I didn't particularly have any experiences like that when I lived there.

    Here in the UAE its kind of like if you don't look for trouble then trouble won't look for you. I personally feel very safe here to live and be a muslim even though yes I know there are also alot of things that are very unfair here. In Canada I always felt so much stress about everything. Going out, buying food, buying clothes, people. Literally everything. I would never ever go out at night in Canada even if someone was with me. But also the constant fear I had of being discriminated against because of my religion never made me accept living in Canada. In general it was fine but every now and then you would get some weirdo saying something about my hijab and that would break the illusion I would have when things were good and it made me see that I will always be an outsider to them and I cannot accept to live in a place that doesn't accept the most important thing in my life.

    I'm glad you are happier in the UK though. I think I am just too stubborn to be able to look past the comments I would hear from time to time to be able to live in a none muslim country lol.

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  • Eorlingas
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    Originally posted by UmmAbdullah86 View Post

    Yes, and as I say I admit that reluctantly. I should add though that when we lived in Arab countries generally speaking we didn't live in the equivalent nice areas that we do in the West. I was very scared for my children, there was always talk about children being sexually abused by other children in the streets and boys in the school being sodomized by other boys. My family spoke about these things as if it was something to be expected. I remember picking my daughters up from primary school and there were always the same crowd of boys standing at the walls eyeing up the girls. You can't be complacent anywhere obviously, but generally I don't think much about these things here. I do have other concerns though obviously.
    I have to say as an adult although I've felt wary after certain World events I've never felt unsafe per se.
    No wonder most Arab countries are buggered..if you'll pardon the pun.

    But seriously this seems ingrained in the culture..disgusting. Is this because they don't have access to women? I'm aware this goes on in western all boys boarding schools which explains why the upper classes are messed up, but if your average Arab kid is having to go through that, then no wonder they are a nation of deviants.

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  • Eorlingas
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    Originally posted by Fakhri-bin-Ali View Post

    Lay down your routes.
    Such a powerful expression.
    Use Google maps for this?

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  • UmmAbdullah86
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    Not attacked, no, but leered at in the street. When people realized I'm from the west unfortunately many felt that was synonymous with me being a 'loose woman' subhanAllah. A good friend of mine (who is very practising) said men used to put their hands around the bus seat to feel up her rear end when they heard her speaking English to her children.

    ​​​​​ETA: in some ways I feel practising the Deen is more respected in the UK than in some countries I've been to. Eg in Jordan I remember going to the school to ask for a place for my daughters to pray in at lunch time. The headteacher was very angry, saying this is a school, not a mosque and to pray at home. I came away feeling like I was some sort of extremist or something. In the UK I've found schools to be so accommodating alhamdulillah in this respect.

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  • UmmAbdullah86
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    Originally posted by aelmo View Post

    A lot of Arab countries in general aren’t very safe. I feel safe here to live and practice Islam though.

    So has anyone in an Arab country ever attacked or harassed you for being Muslim when you lived there?
    Not attacked, no, but leered at in the street. When people realized I'm from the west unfortunately many felt that was synonymous with me being a 'loose woman' subhanAllah. A good friend of mine (who is very practising) said men used to put their hands around the bus seat to feel up her rear end when they heard her speaking English to her children.

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  • aelmo
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    Originally posted by UmmAbdullah86 View Post

    Yes, and as I say I admit that reluctantly. I should add though that when we lived in Arab countries generally speaking we didn't live in the equivalent nice areas that we do in the West. I was very scared for my children, there was always talk about children being sexually abused by other children in the streets and boys in the school being sodomized by other boys. My family spoke about these things as if it was something to be expected. I remember picking my daughters up from primary school and there were always the same crowd of boys standing at the walls eyeing up the girls. You can't be complacent anywhere obviously, but generally I don't think much about these things here. I do have other concerns though obviously.
    I have to say as an adult although I've felt wary after certain World events I've never felt unsafe per se.
    A lot of Arab countries in general aren’t very safe. I feel safe here to live and practice Islam though.

    So has anyone in an Arab country ever attacked or harassed you for being Muslim when you lived there?

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  • UmmAbdullah86
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    Originally posted by aelmo View Post

    You feel safer being a Muslim in the west then an actual Muslim country? Thats very interesting.
    Yes, and as I say I admit that reluctantly. I should add though that when we lived in Arab countries generally speaking we didn't live in the equivalent nice areas that we do in the West. I was very scared for my children, there was always talk about children being sexually abused by other children in the streets and boys in the school being sodomized by other boys. My family spoke about these things as if it was something to be expected. I remember picking my daughters up from primary school and there were always the same crowd of boys standing at the walls eyeing up the girls. You can't be complacent anywhere obviously, but generally I don't think much about these things here. I do have other concerns though obviously.
    I have to say as an adult although I've felt wary after certain World events I've never felt unsafe per se.

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  • aelmo
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    I’m more so talking about how safe you feel being a Muslim

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  • aelmo
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    Originally posted by UmmAbdullah86 View Post
    Honestly I hate to admit this but I feel safer in the West than I did in Arab countries. Yes like an above poster said there's always an underlying feeling of you not being the same like the kuffar, but I don't really have an issue with that. In saying that we pick our areas very carefully, we tend to choose very middle class areas as the crime, overt racism and anti social behaviour is much lower. We've lived briefly in a few cities with Muslim areas and sadly it was grim.
    You feel safer being a Muslim in the west then an actual Muslim country? Thats very interesting.

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  • Kiro
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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    hmmmmmmmm

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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