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  • Transgenders: Lowering Your Gaze and Avoiding Physical Contact

    Assalamu alaykum

    Can anyone tell me or find out for me, as to whether or not you have to lower your gaze at transgender women?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFpdPpwcNOI

    I know this individual is not Sunni, but I'm just curious about what he was saying and doing. Is he allowed to embrace 'it' like that? He called 'it' buff, so in that case, isn't it obligatory for him to lower his gaze regardless of what gender 'it' classifies as?

    No homo.

    Jazak Allahu Khayr

  • #2
    Wow, part 2 is even crazier.

    https://youtu.be/9v8O-HQK-ro

    What are your thoughts on this? Is this individual gay? He obviously got a thing for 'it'.

    Disclaimer: 18+

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    • #3
      This guy is embarassing...If you're giving dawah to a non muslim you're not supposed to humiliate and mock them. He could have handled it differently. He kept shaking 'her' hand and touching 'her' and saying I can do this because you're a man. He wanted to get a laugh from the crowd. WE all know trans is a mental disorder, these people have psychological issues and it felt a bit mean spiritied to embarass 'her' in front of others. Later he goes ' listen darling, listen babes, Iwas gna chirpse her, goign to get her number'. Now he wants to kiss her and is hitting on her.

      Is this guy a shia?he has tattoos.

      No homo.
      Actually its worrying because some of them look 100% female.
      Women lost their modesty when men lost their gheerah..” .

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      • #4
        Originally posted by shay5 View Post
        This guy is embarassing...If you're giving dawah to a non muslim you're not supposed to humiliate and mock them. He could have handled it differently. He kept shaking 'her' hand and touching 'her' and saying I can do this because you're a man. He wanted to get a laugh from the crowd. WE all know trans is a mental disorder, these people have psychological issues and it felt a bit mean spiritied to embarass 'her' in front of others. Later he goes ' listen darling, listen babes, Iwas gna chirpse her, goign to get her number'. Now he wants to kiss her and is hitting on her.
        No doubt. As far as Da'wah was concerned, that was terrible.


        Originally posted by shay5 View Post

        Is this guy a shia?he has tattoos.

        Yes, he's Shia.

        Originally posted by shay5 View Post

        Actually its worrying because some of them look 100% female.

        That's the basis of my inquiry. Is it halal for a man to touch or look at this person? It looks and talks like a female, but originally, it was a man.

        Also, would you consider someone gay for having sexual feelings for this person? For example, do you consider Mo Deen gay after watching these videos?

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        • #5
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          • #6
            Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
            Assalamu alaykum

            Can anyone tell me or find out for me, as to whether or not you have to lower your gaze at transgender women?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFpdPpwcNOI

            I know this individual is not Sunni, but I'm just curious about what he was saying and doing. Is he allowed to embrace 'it' like that? He called 'it' buff, so in that case, isn't it obligatory for him to lower his gaze regardless of what gender 'it' classifies as?

            No homo.

            Jazak Allahu Khayr
            I just watched that for 80 seconds. (Sorry).

            The whole "touching" aspect made me cringe.

            She looked/dressed/behaved like a woman.

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            • #7
              The transgender community confuse me.

              Are they changing their gender because they one day wake up and decide they want a change, or is it more a physiological thing?

              Kaitlyn Jenner (the most obvious example) - was a man, who had a wife, kids - then decided he felt more "comfortable" as a woman. Now he looks, dresses like a woman. (With a female partner?)

              I'm not sure what to make of all this.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Indefinable View Post
                The transgender community confuse me.


                Well, this person mentioned that it removed it's male organ. Excuse me if this is too vulgar, but I'm curious, did it replace/transform the male organ with female properties? Can it have vaginal intercourse? And most importantly, does it receive pleasure from vaginal intercourse?

                I'm curious to know how the Shari'ah deals with these people. Are they now considered women? Is it Halal to marry them?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post



                  Well, this person mentioned that it removed it's male organ. Excuse me if this is too vulgar, but I'm curious, did it replace/transform the male organ with female properties? Can it have vaginal intercourse? And most importantly, does it receive pleasure from vaginal intercourse?

                  I'm curious to know how the Shari'ah deals with these people. Are they now considered women? Is it Halal to marry them?
                  I think those questions should be sent to a Shaykh.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post



                    Well, this person mentioned that it removed it's male organ. Excuse me if this is too vulgar, but I'm curious, did it replace/transform the male organ with female properties? Can it have vaginal intercourse? And most importantly, does it receive pleasure from vaginal intercourse?

                    I'm curious to know how the Shari'ah deals with these people. Are they now considered women? Is it Halal to marry them?
                    Isn't the answer glaringly obvious?

                    And with all due respect call me old fashioned but I don't find the first half of your post appropriate and nor do I find this forum an appropriate place to discuss such questions.
                    It seems vulgar and unnecessary ...its not like anyone will be experienced in order to answer anyway.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MyUsernameIs... View Post
                      Isn't the answer glaringly obvious?

                      I wouldn't say it's glaringly obvious. I mean, look at it. It talks like a woman, looks like a woman, and doesn't possess male body parts.


                      Originally posted by MyUsernameIs... View Post
                      And with all due respect call me old fashioned but I don't find the first half of your post appropriate and nor do I find this forum an appropriate place to discuss such questions.
                      It seems vulgar and unnecessary ...its not like anyone will be experienced in order to answer anyway.

                      That's fair. I apologize if I've crossed the line.
                      Last edited by AmantuBillahi; 08-10-18, 06:04 PM. Reason: Spelling: woman, women.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post


                        I'm curious to know how the Shari'ah deals with these people. Are they now considered women? Is it Halal to marry them?
                        If its haram to change your sex/gender then why would it be halal to marry these people?

                        He had an operation to turn him from a man into a woman (“sex-change”). Can he be alone with women?


                        A man in a non-Muslim country was suffering psychologically because he believed that he was a woman. In an attempt to treat himself he got married and had a son, but that did not solve the problem. In the end, he had an operation to remove the male genitalia and after that he lived as a woman. Ten years later, he become Muslim after getting to know a Muslim woman over the internet, who spoke to him on the basis that he was a woman and not a man. When she found out that this woman had once been a man, she got confused. Now she does not know whether she should deal with her as a woman (in all senses) or what?
                        If this “man-woman” wants to come and visit her in Saudi, should she offer her hospitality as a man or as a woman… or should she not bother offering him hospitality?
                        Please note that he/she needs someone to support him/her in Islam, because he/she is still comes under the heading of those whose hearts have recently been reconciled to the truth. Islam is not yet firmly established in his heart, and we are afraid that not showing hospitality towards her in her house will be an impediment or may even cause him/her to leave Islam. No one wants to bear the responsibility for that.
                        Published Date: 2004-06-25

                        Praise be to Allaah.
                        These people who hate the sex with which they were created and wish that they were of the other sex, are in fact mentally ill. It may be caused by a bad upbringing in some cases, and by the nature of the society in which they live in other cases, which makes them hate the way they are. So they object to the decree of Allaah and they want to change their sex from one to the other.
                        There may be some (acceptable) reasons for having a sex-change operation that turns one from a male into a female. But what is mentioned in the question is no more than a wish or a desire, although the male genitalia were complete. It is not a case of what the fuqaha’ call al-khuntha (hermaphrodite). Rather this person is naturally male, with all the attributes of masculinity, but he wants to turn into a female, so he has surgery to remove the penis and testicles, then the doctors construct a vagina and increase the size of the breasts, and administer hormone injections over a lengthy period until the voice becomes softer and the distribution of fat on the body changes, and the person appears outwardly to be female, but in fact he is a male.
                        This operation is haraam in Islam, according to all the reputable contemporary scholars. The earlier scholars did not discuss it because it was not known and was not possible during their time. The fact that it is forbidden is indicated by a number of things, including the following:
                        Firstly: the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
                        ‘They (all those who worship others than Allaah) invoke nothing but female deities besides Him (Allaah), and they invoke nothing but Shaytaan (Satan), a persistent rebel!
                        118. Allaah cursed him. And he [Shaytaan (Satan)] said: “I will take an appointed portion of your slaves.
                        119. “Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allaah.” And whoever takes Shaytaan (Satan) as a Wali (protector or helper) instead of Allaah, has surely, suffered a manifest loss.
                        120. He [Shaytaan (Satan)] makes promises to them, and arouses in them false desires; and Shaytaan’s (Satan) promises are nothing but deceptions.
                        121. The dwelling of such (people) is Hell, and they will find no way of escape from it’
                        [al-Nisa’ 4:117-121]
                        Undoubtedly doing such operations is a kind of toying with and changing the creation of Allaah.
                        Secondly: It is proven in al-Saheeh that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5546.
                        Ibn Hajar said: For men to imitate women and women to imitate men, deliberately and by choice, is haraam according to scholarly consensus.
                        Thirdly: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade hermaphrodites to enter upon women, if they pay attention to women and their charms, and he ordered that they be banned from living among people so as to guard against their evil.
                        Imam al-Bukhaari included this hadeeth in two chapters: (1) under the heading: “It is forbidden for men who resemble women to enter upon women” and (2) under the heading: “Expelling men who resemble women from people’s houses.”
                        Ibn Hajar said: What we learn from this is that women should observe hijab before those hermaphrodites who pay attention to women's charms, and that they should be banned from living among people, as a means to deter them. And it seems that doing this is obligatory.
                        Fourthly: According to specialist doctors, this kind of operation is not indicated by any kind of sound medical evidence, and it is no more than the matter of personal whims and desires.
                        And there is other evidence which indicates that it is haraam. For more information, please see the book Ahkaam al-Jaraahah al-Tibbiyyah, p. 199
                        Dr Muhammad ‘Ali al-Barr said: Although the outward appearance of such a person may deceive you into thinking that he is female, in fact his biological structure remains male, even if it has been obliterated completely. Moreover, there is no ovary or uterus and such a person cannot menstruate or get pregnant at all.
                        Based on the above, it is not permissible under any circumstances for a woman to be alone with him, or to uncover or take off her hijab in front of him, because he is in fact male, even though he may now feel attracted towards males, because of the many female hormones in his system. Undoubtedly these people are worse than the hermaphrodites whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade to enter upon men, and ordered that they be banned from living among the people.
                        Hence it may be more appropriate for more than one person to meet with him, and to take him to a trustworthy psychologist who can treat his illness. We ask Allaah to guide him and set his affairs straight.
                        You could speak to a trustworthy Shaykh or seeker of knowledge, and ask him to receive this person and teach him about his religion and its rulings, and strengthen his ties with Islam and help him to grow steadfast in his faith. This should be done in the presence of more than one person. You should also understand that after doing as much as you can for this person, guidance is in the hand of Allaah; He guides whomsoever He will of His slaves. And Allaah knows best.


                        https://islamqa.info/en/34553
                        Women lost their modesty when men lost their gheerah..” .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Indefinable View Post
                          The transgender community confuse me.

                          Are they changing their gender because they one day wake up and decide they want a change, or is it more a physiological thing?

                          Kaitlyn Jenner (the most obvious example) - was a man, who had a wife, kids - then decided he felt more "comfortable" as a woman. Now he looks, dresses like a woman. (With a female partner?)

                          I'm not sure what to make of all this.

                          i heard it wanted to go back and change gender again

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post



                            Well, this person mentioned that it removed it's male organ. Excuse me if this is too vulgar, but I'm curious, did it replace/transform the male organ with female properties? Can it have vaginal intercourse? And most importantly, does it receive pleasure from vaginal intercourse?

                            I'm curious to know how the Shari'ah deals with these people. Are they now considered women? Is it Halal to marry them?
                            your curious lol
                            usually they cut the organ and try to make them like a women using surgery and additional hormone therapy which will cause physical changes to upper body
                            pleasure is connected to nervous system stimulation
                            so im not sure about that as hormones cannot create nerves from what i know
                            but im sure u can research and find out

                            u can ask abu musab on qna

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                            • #15
                              alot of the time with these batty boys
                              and the rest of lgbt they arent 100% in what they think they are

                              thats why many go back to their fitra and fornicate in 'the normal heterosexual' relationships as well and end up having kids even though they are gay or lesbian

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