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Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

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  • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

    Originally posted by ;7179962
    How are they extinct when the Messenger of Allah :saw: has stated in authentic hadith they will continue to rise and fall until the dajjal arrives?
    The only Khawarij left are the Ibadis from Oman and they are quite different from the original movement.

    TBH the Madkhalis are more in common with the original Khawarij than anyone else.

    Khawarij are kind to Mushriks.

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    • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

      Originally posted by Abu Jarir View Post
      The only Khawarij left are the Ibadis from Oman and they are quite different from the original movement.

      TBH the Madkhalis are more in common with the original Khawarij than anyone else.

      Khawarij are kind to Mushriks.
      Okay. I can see we're not really going to get anywhere since you're clearly not interested in even learning why the label was used in the first place and what evidences scholars have. Btw, scholars who are neither government affiliated, from Saudi, or madkhali, have indicated that the views of groups like ISIS and their actions are in line with those of the khawarij of old. If you do not wish to learn at all and are more interested in repeating yourself or just saying the first thing that comes to mind (now we have madkhalis are khawarij, next up the rawaafid are khawarij), then it's good to indicate this at the beginning so that we both don't waste our time.
      والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

      "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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      • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

        Originally posted by Abu Jarir View Post
        Ah yes so worried about labeling Khawarij when barrel bombs are falling and Communism is expanding :up: typical of the rage filled. The Khawarij are extinct.
        :rofl1:
        "The organisation that is called as "the state" puts effort to destroy jihad in Sham as they destroyed it in Iraq because of their obvious transgressions against Quran and Sunnah." Abu Khalid as-Suri (Rahimahullah)

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        • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

          Originally posted by Abdalla94' View Post
          Bro, one discussion at a time Insha'Allah.



          Sorry bro, just to be 100% clear without any misunderstanding, are you saying drinking alcohol is minor kufr or major kufr? :jkk:



          Which ulama have said this?



          Where did Abu Hurayrah say this?
          Brother its clear is not that if the act is kufr but you cant call the person kaafir then it is minor kufr?

          The next 2 questions can be answered by the narration from Abu Hurraira in both Bukhari and muslim and quoted in islam qa

          In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (2295) and Saheeh Muslim (86) it is narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one who commits zina is a believer at the moment when he is committing zina, and no one who drinks wine is a believer at the moment when he is drinking it, and no thief is a believer at the moment when he is stealing, and no robber is a believer at the moment when he is robbing and the people are looking on.” This means that such a person is not a believer in the sense of having complete faith, rather his faith is greatly lacking because of this evil action.

          But lets expand further to show why it is not kufr akbar based on what we as muslims follow, it also shows the gravity of the sin for those who treat it as nothing (just a general observation)

          we have reported in Ibn Majah 2720 Muhammad (saw) said, “The one who is addicted to alcohol is like the one who worships idols.”

          now we knw that to worship idols is kufr akbar as we know Allah swt says he will forgive everything except shirk and idol worship is shirk right?

          however we also have in Bukhari, where Umar bin Khattab said, “In the time of Muhammad (saw) there was a man nicknamed a donkey but he was called Abdullah…one day he (saw) lashed him for drinking alcohol, and he drank again and came to Muhammad (saw) and a man cursed him and Muhammad (saw) said, “Do not curse him, for he is someone who loves Allah and his messenger.”

          So this is evidence that it is kufr asghar.

          The basic message is that everything that is said to be kufr is kufr Akbar unless we have an indication that it is less

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          • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

            Originally posted by Poster View Post
            :salams

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr9z...ature=youtu.be

            The shaykh is in Syria and goes through the characteristics of the khawarij (and how they apply to ISIS), the primary two being :

            1) Takfeer on Muslims

            2) Shedding the blood of Muslims

            (First 5 minutes shows graphic footage)
            The video has been removed.
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            • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

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              • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

                Originally posted by |Abdur Raheem| View Post
                The video has been removed.
                New link :

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                • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

                  Originally posted by Abu Jarir View Post
                  No JAN has a legitimate reason to fight ISIS as ISIS split from JAN and has split Muslims in Iraq and Sham but they are not Khawarij because of it it's a political feud or in Islamic context Fitnah and they should stop fighting and focus on Assad. ISIS isn't a Khilafa our descussion was about whether fighting a Khilafa is Kufar or not, not about if fighting ISIS is Kufar or not.
                  No, I think JAN split from ISIS. They were originally one and the same it's just that the former was sent by the latter to accomplish a task in Syria.
                  ~‘And He will provide him from (sources) he could never imagine. And whoever puts their trust in Allah, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allah will accomplish His purpose. Indeed, Allah has set a measure for all things.’~ - سورة الطلاق : 3

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                  • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

                    Originally posted by Poster View Post
                    New link :

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5p82snwhs

                    Have you seen this video?
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                    • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

                      Originally posted by |Abdur Raheem| View Post
                      So, how he appeared in a tv show?

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                      • Re: Why do we call them khawarij? - Sh Abdullah al Mohaisany

                        Originally posted by |Abdur Raheem| View Post
                        Yeah, listened to the interview a while ago.

                        It's real shocking stuff

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