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  • "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

    Very interesting set of videos on the nature of the Syrian revolution and the rise of the so called Islamic State. The sheikh argues that they are khawaarij and draws many many parallels that I found to be remarkably uncanny. I've only watched the first hour, but I am interested so far. All the descriptions he has given of ISIS members are very true from what I have seen both in real life and on this forum, and from their own speech. And that's the other thing, he goes by their own speech from their spokesmen, not by what the news is saying.

    This is the first video:



    Playlist can be seen here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjZw...Tu1ABtKshEw2cT
    والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

    "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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    Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

    oh this is valuable,

    jzkAllahu khayran akhi ;)
    Sabr... is like swallowing something bitter without showing any-Imam Junaid

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    • #3
      Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

      Wa iyyakum bro.

      I just watched the third video, and tbh it's very detailed with lots of names and personalities inside ISIS mentioned, but since I don't follow the finer details of the drama inside, I don't really follow much of what he's saying though I get the main point of it. When I argue against ISIS and what it says, it's against the deeni aspect of it that is open and involves what they all themselves openly admit and believe. Whether or not they are infiltrated by ba`thists that take advantage of the situation is not something I'm informed about but clearly in the video he is stating they have been, and this I've also heard from many sources. He states they all openly admit these names are leading their armies and that this is known information, and he replies to those shabab who are fooled into the whole ISIS story that accept that these people have made tawbah by saying that they did not accept the same tawbah presented from factions like the FSA that have actual ba`thist army defectors in them.
      والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

      "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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      • #4
        Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

        yeah, they admit that many amongst their leaders were once ba'thists..

        but don't worry, they made taubah...

        and now they are the masters of the ummah, taking the oh so heavy burden of 'khilafa' and hoisting it on their shoulders

        lol what a joke,


        but seriously though, Ali to counter a lot of what ISIS supporters are saying I think we should delve more into the finer details of what's already happened in the group early on and what is currently happening, you know.. to add more legitimacy in the discrediting this group

        i know it's tedious.. but it's be beneficial
        Sabr... is like swallowing something bitter without showing any-Imam Junaid

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        • #5
          Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

          Originally posted by Abdullah Fatih View Post
          yeah, they admit that many amongst their leaders were once ba'thists..

          but don't worry, they made taubah...

          and now they are the masters of the ummah, taking the oh so heavy burden of 'khilafa' and hoisting it on their shoulders
          Of course bro, don't you know about Khalid Ibnul Waleed (r. a)? One day he was leading the armies of the mushrikeen against the Muslims, the very next day bro, poof! Saifullahil maslool!! Interesting thing is that a lot of the names listed were involved in some of the nastiest types of things and were renown for their loyalty to the ba`thist cause, and they have their own armed men and friendships amongst themselves.

          Originally posted by Abdullah Fatih View Post
          but seriously though, Ali to counter a lot of what ISIS supporters are saying I think we should delve more into the finer details of what's already happened in the group early on and what is currently happening, you know.. to add more legitimacy in the discrediting this group

          i know it's tedious.. but it's be beneficial
          The thing is that they rely on the religious front to attract the shabab, but even that is baatil, so it's easiest to concentrate on that I think wallahu a`lam. Tbh if all this is true about the ba`thist/khaariji mix, then that's just one nasty cocktail right there, two dead set enemies of Islam teaming up, one using the other to do the work it is too cowardly to do itself. This would explain though how shortly after their inception, the syrian ba`thist regime which was convulsing so close to death suddenly became revived as all its opponents were stabbed from behind, allowing it to remain for years when the estimates for its death at the time were a couple of months on average.
          والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

          "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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          • #6
            Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

            :salams:

            How does one discern the truth from falsehood? As we all know in the case of ISIS, the fog is too thick to be able to tell what's what.

            So of course the only sources we can derive from are Muslim sources. The question is how do we know who's credible and who's not?

            If we were to take the direct leaders of ISIS and take that as truth, they have denied everything others' have said against them. If they are all telling the truth, why isn't it clear?

            Brother Ali, how do you differentiate?

            I "support" (using the term very loosely) them because of their overall objectives and their internal shariah implementation is admirable. Some may see this foolish, but I also admire their indifference to what the world thinks of them and that they keep fighting no matter what is thrown at them. Maybe it is naivety of the youth, but I honestly have to say that I admire them. Though I can't quite say I support them. Can you really support something that is of no direct relevance to your life? It's not like I'd actively recruit or anything like that. The most I do is defend them from the obvious lies the kuffar and Muslims make about them.

            Also, how do you feel about Muslim countries waging war against them and allying with the kuffar? Do you think it's justified since they are/may be khawarij?

            If you have answered these already, then please redirect me.

            I am asking you because it's not easy finding Muslims who intellectually oppose them. I guess the same can be said about those who support.

            And Allah knows best.
            :jkk:
            If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
            (al-Bukhaari)

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            • #7
              Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

              :wswrwb:

              You differentiate by learning the religion correctly and listening to scholars with regards to the dangerous matters they play with. And if you can, by speaking to those who were there. But for almost all of this, I don't think someone without Arabic can easily learn about these matters from all sides of the story. But given the sheer brutality they have displayed with how they have even beheaded other Muslim Mujaahideen, I would have hoped at least some Muslims with a fitrah still in tact would have been alerted then.

              In any case, if you can't do these things or did not already, best remain silent on the matter and focus on the greater purposes of this religion. This is not the subject of this topic however.

              With regards to this series, I have just watched the fifth part and he is talking about how the Mujaahideen basically had the regime on-sight ready to go for the kill until the daa`ish entity originating from Iraq entered and basically stabbed all the factions in the back, completely massacred Ahfaadul Rasul group which dissolved shortly afterwards. The daa`ish military is led almost completely by supposed "ex"-ba`thists and in this episode official ISIS papers are shown signed, stamped and everything indicating that normal average Muslims have to admit they are kuffar and then "re-enter" the religion to be able to do things freely in some of their territories. Open quotes from their heads and leaders are shown making takfeer of populations en-masse. A paper stating that all fighting them are murtaddeen, period, even though many do so in self-defense.

              After their entry, all the momentum that was so quick against the syrian regime was basically lost. They are in every essence allies of al assad, even if the individuals fighting within are ignorant of this. But I didn't really need to watch this to know that, I have been saying this for months now that their actions have done everything to keep him in power. I used to believe that it was just their pure ignorance that allowed it to happen, but it appears though given almost all their generals are ba`thi, it could actually be something specifically controlled and intended.
              Last edited by علي; 18-02-15, 07:16 PM.
              والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

              "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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              • #8
                Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                Originally posted by علي View Post
                :wswrwb:
                In any case, if you can't do these things or did not already, best remain silent on the matter and focus on the greater purposes of this religion. This is not the subject of this topic however.
                That's been seeming the most appropriate response and it seems I'll have to do just that. I try not to speak on matter I don't know so there isn't much I can do.

                With regards to this series, I have just watched the fifth part and he is talking about how the Mujaahideen basically had the regime on-sight ready to go for the kill until the daa`ish entity originating from Iraq entered and basically stabbed all the factions in the back, completely massacred Ahfaadul Rasul group which dissolved shortly afterwards. The daa`ish military is led almost completely by supposed "ex"-ba`thists and in this episode official ISIS papers are shown signed, stamped and everything indicating that normal average Muslims have to admit they are kuffar and then "re-enter" the religion to be able to do things freely in some of their territories. Open quotes from their heads and leaders are shown making takfeer of populations en-masse. A paper stating that all fighting them are murtaddeen, period, even though many do so in self-defense.
                When I read such things of the internal details, I really do question them. The inside details isn't something an outsider can easily gain much information on. But it does seem that shady things go on on the inside.

                After their entry, all the momentum that was so quick against the syrian regime was basically lost. They are in every essence allies of al assad, even if the individuals fighting within are ignorant of this. But I didn't really need to watch this to know that, I have been saying this for months now that their actions have done everything to keep him in power. I used to believe that it was just their pure ignorance that allowed it to happen, but it appears though given almost all their generals are ba`thi, it could actually be something specifically controlled and intended.
                Can you expand on this?

                :jkk:
                If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
                (al-Bukhaari)

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                • #9
                  Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                  Their generals comprise of ex-leaders of saddam's army who were renown for being hardcore ba`thists, and ba`thists are sadist who torture Muslims in the most vile ways and openly revile Allah (swt). So it could be that these are controlling them, even though as I said, given their profound ignorance even if this were not the case they have already made takfeer of Mujaahideen and normal Syrians left and right and are taking pleasure in killing them. But back to discussing these videos.

                  I watched parts 6 to 8 and they are in general about atrocities committed, and I cannot imagine how anyone can watch this material and not be hit by a wall. In it we have pictures of them holding heads on spears, disrespecting the dead, allowing children to witness executions. In one picture a daa`ish member holds his toddler above a severed head having the child kick it. A video was shown of one of their teachers who is responsible for teaching their "mujaahideen" how to behead a person. He tells them one takes a dull blade, goes back and forth on the neck with it, and by Allah I heard him myself, he tells them "and he takes pleasure in it". Their discussions on beheadings are shown, which is not surprising since some of their more psychotic members on this forum used to have the same sort of material on their twitter accounts and talked about all the pleasure they would feel when they "saw all the blood", and how they would dream about it. They just laugh this stuff off, the behead the person then place his head between his legs then go to take pictures.

                  A clip is shown of them calling ALL other Mujahid fighters in Syria "murtaddeen" and telling them how they are coming for them to behead them. They mentioned everyone except the actual raafidi enemy, which further lends credence to the sheikh's statement that they are khawaarij because they kill ahlul Islam while they leave the disbelievers to do with Muslims as they please.

                  And the US, everything is just perfect for them. They have this group that has so admirably backed their stooge assad and they can use them to justify anything, now even operations in Libya. This is regardless of whether or not anyone in Libya even did what the US accused ISIS of doing.
                  والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

                  "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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                  • #10
                    Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                    :jkk:

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                    • #11
                      Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                      Wa iyyakum bro, I just watched the rest of the series.

                      The last parts talk about the crimes of the assad regime over the years, and it's the usual nasty material we all know. Would have been great if all the violence daa`ish inflicts upon the Mujaahideen and normal Sunni Muslims would have been directed his way because he and his men deserve whatever they get.
                      والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

                      "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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                      • #12
                        Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                        Wallah the situation is so saddening. I'm honestly lost for words.

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                        • #13
                          Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                          A mix of of Khawarij, so called ex Ba'thists and mukhabarat as the leadership of a so called Islamic state.

                          I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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                          • #14
                            Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                            Yeah, and the thing is, none of their members know about it. They just assume them to have made tawbah, even though all those guys got to where they did initially by intimidation, and then by gathering and being placed in those positions. Ba`thists from Iraq taking advantage of flaming mad khawaarij from Iraq. And those kids don't even care, just look at them practically laughing and dancing around blood and severed heads of MUSLIM SUNNIS. Every single one of the pictures of the people they are about to behead, the man's finger is raised taking shahaadah. It's all discussed in length from episodes 6 to 8 or 9, pictures and everything. Amazing how people think this scourge has anything to do with Islam, and they paint this picture of the Sahabah as if they were just like them, citing banu quraydah and similar, as if these are the only events in Islam's history.

                            The amazing thing is, the aayaat of Allah do not change. The khaariji who killed Uthmaan Bin `Affaan (r, a) stabbing him nine times said "I stabbed him 3 times for the sake of Allah, and six times for something inside me."

                            That "something inside him", is it not inside a group who's members behead a person slowly, advising each other how to take pleasure in it (they literally say "itlathath"), then take his head, arrange his hands a certain way, place his head so it looks like he's holding it between his legs, then skip along a few meters away from him to take pictures with his mobile phone while he giggles and giggles like a schoolgirl who was just awarded a bag of candy after getting straight A's right before the summer vacation.

                            قاتلهم الله
                            Last edited by علي; 19-02-15, 05:47 PM.
                            والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

                            "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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                            • #15
                              Re: "كواليس الثورة" (Arabic Videos) Regarding ISIS and the Syrian Revolution.

                              Originally posted by علي View Post
                              :wswrwb:

                              You differentiate by learning the religion correctly and listening to scholars with regards to the dangerous matters they play with. And if you can, by speaking to those who were there. But for almost all of this, I don't think someone without Arabic can easily learn about these matters from all sides of the story. But given the sheer brutality they have displayed with how they have even beheaded other Muslim Mujaahideen, I would have hoped at least some Muslims with a fitrah still in tact would have been alerted then.

                              In any case, if you can't do these things or did not already, best remain silent on the matter and focus on the greater purposes of this religion. This is not the subject of this topic however.

                              With regards to this series, I have just watched the fifth part and he is talking about how the Mujaahideen basically had the regime on-sight ready to go for the kill until the daa`ish entity originating from Iraq entered and basically stabbed all the factions in the back, completely massacred Ahfaadul Rasul group which dissolved shortly afterwards. The daa`ish military is led almost completely by supposed "ex"-ba`thists and in this episode official ISIS papers are shown signed, stamped and everything indicating that normal average Muslims have to admit they are kuffar and then "re-enter" the religion to be able to do things freely in some of their territories. Open quotes from their heads and leaders are shown making takfeer of populations en-masse. A paper stating that all fighting them are murtaddeen, period, even though many do so in self-defense.

                              After their entry, all the momentum that was so quick against the syrian regime was basically lost. They are in every essence allies of al assad, even if the individuals fighting within are ignorant of this. But I didn't really need to watch this to know that, I have been saying this for months now that their actions have done everything to keep him in power. I used to believe that it was just their pure ignorance that allowed it to happen, but it appears though given almost all their generals are ba`thi, it could actually be something specifically controlled and intended.
                              Same happened in our areas...but its not groups ...those were some individuals joining groups and then they brought with them destruction...I always say that there are spies that sniff like dogs and infilterate mujahideen ranks...but brother sincere mujahideen are there for sure ...we cant exclude them.Al sham ll have many righteous groups ...and even a khilafa b4 mehdi too but daif hadeeth.
                              ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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