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    Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

    Assalam Alicom

    Misconception 1

    They say
    The Prophet peace be upon Him
    "Jihad is going until the day of judgment"

    And the response to that is.
    Jihad is going as long as the conditions are met and we are able does it
    Like praying, fasting and the rest of obligations
    And we all know that we must do them
    Until the Day of Judgment
    As long as we are able to
    And whenever we are not
    They fall and we are not obligated to do them.
    Example
    You don't have to fast when you are traveling

    So is it possible that all these obligations are restricted to the rule which says
    Do it as long as you can

    And some people come and say
    Jihad is going and has no conditions and no restrictions
    And going until the Day of Judgment whether we can do it or not????

    And the evidence on all of that is

    The Hadith which is mentioned in Sahih Muslim
    Where the Prophet peace be upon Him tells us about 'Eisa
    that He (Eisa) is about to fight some people
    and Allah says to Him that He is unable to fight them
    so take my slaves and don't fight.

    Add to that evidence
    One of the main evidences which is
    We all know that the Prophet peace be upon Him
    didn't fight the Mushrikeen in Mecca
    and the first clash between Muslims and Mushrikeen
    was more than 10 years after the beginning or Islam

    and the list of evidences go on and on

    so the question is
    did the Prophets Muhammed and Eisa peace be upon both of them
    leave Jihad when they were unable to do it
    because they don't like it, believe in it or want to stop it????

    We leave the reader to answer.

    Misconception 2
    They say that the Jihad which we are doing
    Is defensive Jihad
    (called in Shariah, Jihad Dafe' )
    (refers to the Jihad when the enemy attacks the Muslims)
    and this type of Jihad has no conditions whatsoever
    and needs no ability

    and the response to that is

    this is just weak

    we can just ask those people
    is this Jihad recommended or obligatory ???

    if the answer is recommended
    we say you can't obligate people with what's recommended
    and we all know that there is no sins or anything wrong
    with leaving a recommended act whatsoever

    if the answer is obligatory
    we all know that all obligations in Islam
    without any exception
    fall and can be left and never done if we are unable to do them
    and the biggest evidence on that is
    the Hadith by the Prophet peace be upon Him which says
    " whatever I command you to do, do what your able to do from it "

    and also the verse
    " fear Allah as much as you can "
    and also

    " On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear "

    and again
    the situation of Muslims in Mecca before migrating to Madenah

    and the ability which we are talking about
    is not the ability to carry a gun and stand in front of the enemy
    nor the ability to use a gun and shoot few bullets on the enemy
    nor the ability to hide in caves and between trees

    the ability in defensive Jihad is
    to be able to protect the Muslims
    and stop the attack on the Muslims
    and their lands
    and more importantly
    to be able to take the enemy out of the land of the Muslims

    otherwise what's the point of hiding in caves and shooting at the enemy
    if the enemy is killing our children in the cities
    and shedding our blood and raping our women

    and what kind of defense is that ?????

    Misconception 3

    they say that
    we don't need a lot of ability to go for Jihad
    and we don't need to have all the numbers and weapons
    and the evidence on that is when the Prophet peace be upon Him
    fought the Mushrikeen in many occasions
    where the Muslims were much less in numbers than the non Muslims
    and also the verse
    " didn't you see how many times a small group won a big group "

    and the response to that is

    at those days
    the wars were simple
    and the weapons were simple

    soldiers, swords, horse, camels, armors, arrows and so on
    and all done by hand

    and those weapons were in both sides
    with the Muslims and the non Muslims
    they both had the same type of weapons

    while now

    the weapons are much much advanced

    where we have airplanes, rockets, machineguns
    and weapons which we didn't even imagine that it's possible to manufacture

    and not only that

    those weapons are owned by the enemy and all that we have on us is
    knives, hand guns, and small rockets
    which don't even damage a small tank
    which the enemy use as a toy

    not only that
    but also

    the Muslims at that time even though they were less in numbers
    their faith and religion
    was correct and much higher than our situation today
    where you see
    the Sufi, the Shi'ee, the Khariji, the Ba'thi and much more.
    And people even don't know how to pray properly
    Nor how to fast

    So how can you compare us today
    With the companions at those times

    And the biggest evidence on that is
    In Uhud the Muslims lost the fight because few Sahabis
    disobeyed the Prophet peace be upon Him
    and went to get their share or money

    and another example is
    in Hunain
    when the Muslims lost faith in Allah
    because they thought their number will cause them to win the fight
    and they almost lost the fight but Allah helped them

    Misconception 4
    they say
    you guys have this big nightmare about non Muslims
    and their ability
    and the response to that is

    in religion we have to separate our emotions
    and look at the facts and the situation around us
    and take logic and the circumstances around us into consideration


    Misconception 5

    they say
    so what do you want us to do with the people of Palestine and Iraq and the rest
    do we just sit down ????

    and the response to that is

    we have to go back to Quran and Sunnah and learn our religion
    we have to forget about our emotions and focus on following the evidence
    we have to increase our faith and go back to the path of Assalaf Assaleh

    so what those people who claim to be on the path of Jihad nowadays
    to stop the blood shed of Muslims
    listen and obey to the rulers whom Allah chose for them
    and stick to their Islamically lawful commands
    follow what Olama' and scholars say and gather around them
    stop spreading the Fitnah around the Muslims
    And wake up from their dreams and illusions
    And leave their emotions behind them
    And more importantly to learn from the 50 years of bloodshed
    In Palestine which brought nothing but destruction death to Muslims
    And learn from what's happened in Lebanon few months ago
    What happened and still happening in Iraq and Afghanistan

    Do we need another 50 years in Iraq?
    And another 50 in Afghanistan to wake up?????

    May Allah preserve our blood and our lands?

    Assalam Alicom
    MXXXXM


    #2
    Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

    whats is all this defeatist talk, useless. complete joke


    [QUOTE=MXXXXM;1837557][CENTER]Assalam Alicom

    Misconception 1

    They say
    The Prophet peace be upon Him
    "Jihad is going until the day of judgment"

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      #3
      Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

      this is Jihad based on Quran and Sunnah
      and this is the path of Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'aa

      brother/sister

      if you think that i made a mistake in any part of what's mentioned above please qoute and respond to it properly.

      may guide me on your hands and so you get all the reward.

      and i'm sure you know the great reward behind that.

      as for labelling all this useless and complete joke.

      may Allah skip that for you.

      and please remember that there are many Hadiths and verses up there.

      Assalam Alicom
      MXXXXM

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        #4
        Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

        you just wrote some defeatist comments, the neo salafi way, read these and learn:

        Is jihad invalid if there is no khaleefah? http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...=eng&txt=jihad

        Ruling on Jihad and kinds of Jihad: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...=eng&txt=jihad

        ruling on physical Jihad: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...=eng&txt=jihad

        punishment for neglecting Jihad for the sake of Allah: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...=eng&txt=jihad

        The conditions of Jihad in Iraq/Afghanistan/Palestine etc today is fard ayn, individual obligation, so dont beat around the bush and mislead muslims


        Originally posted by MXXXXM View Post
        this is Jihad based on Quran and Sunnah
        and this is the path of Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'aa

        brother/sister

        if you think that i made a mistake in any part of what's mentioned above please qoute and respond to it properly.

        may guide me on your hands and so you get all the reward.

        and i'm sure you know the great reward behind that.

        as for labelling all this useless and complete joke.

        may Allah skip that for you.

        and please remember that there are many Hadiths and verses up there.

        Assalam Alicom
        MXXXXM

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          #5
          Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

          Akhi.....

          it's one of two.....
          you either didn't read what i wrote.
          or you didn't read the links which you posted.

          anyway.....
          AlHamdullilah that you take from Islam qa because that will make it much easier to disscuss the issue
          now....

          the first one......
          Is jihad invalid if there is no khaleefah?
          that's a rule in Islam and no one disagrees on it.

          in attacking Jihad you need an Imam.
          in defenseive Jihad you don't need a one, you don't need a one if the enemy is close.

          and this approved in the second link if you read it all.

          anyway......
          in my whole thread i never talked about this topic....
          the topic of having a leader for Jihad.
          please qoute me if you think i did.

          so i don't know what's the point of posting the first link.

          the second link is a very good one so please read it if you didn't.

          the third and the last......
          i don't know how did you conclude from what i said that Jihad doesn't exist or that i'm against it.

          all that i'm saying is......
          there are misconceptions about Jihad nowaday and i mentioned some of them and the response to them.

          again.... if you think that i said something wrong
          please qoute this part and respond to it.
          it's as simple as that.

          The conditions of Jihad in Iraq/Afghanistan/Palestine etc today is fard ayn,
          i never said there is no Jihad in those places and i don't give a Fatwa on that since i don't have enough knowledge and even if i do i don't know the situation there.

          all that i said there is most if not all of the groups who claim to be doing Jihad are doing it wrong and the evidence on that is the hundreds of Muslims who get killed on a daily basis which no one can deny.
          so what kind of Jihad are they doing if we still see Muslims dying ?????
          and how could this be Jihad if nothing is achieved.
          remember we are not playing soccer here.....
          we are missing with souls.

          and one last thing......
          if you really think that it's an individual obligation.....
          why are you sitting behind your computer disscussing the topic with me. why don't you go for it. also remember that leaving Jihad when it's an obligation is a very great sin.

          so are you a great sinner???????

          so dont beat around the bush and mislead muslims
          Akhi prove it and correct me.....
          please qoute and respond by evidence.

          i'll be waiting for your response Akhi.

          may Allah guide us and you.

          Assalam Alicom
          MXXXXM

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            #6
            Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

            yes i was waiting for a foolish talafi response, you hear news from hear and there, bbc,cnn and you think you know everything happening on the ground there. people get killed in war, get that through your head

            Originally posted by MXXXXM View Post
            Akhi.....


            all that i said there is most if not all of the groups who claim to be doing Jihad are doing it wrong and the evidence on that is the hundreds of Muslims who get killed on a daily basis which no one can deny.
            so what kind of Jihad are they doing if we still see Muslims dying ?????
            and how could this be Jihad if nothing is achieved.
            remember we are not playing soccer here.....
            we are missing with souls.

            and one last thing......
            if you really think that it's an individual obligation.....
            why are you sitting behind your computer disscussing the topic with me. why don't you go for it. also remember that leaving Jihad when it's an obligation is a very great sin.

            so are you a great sinner???????



            Akhi prove it and correct me.....
            please qoute and respond by evidence.

            i'll be waiting for your response Akhi.

            may Allah guide us and you.

            Assalam Alicom
            MXXXXM

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              #7
              Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

              What a fool... spokeperson for the tawghoot regimes.
              Financial freedom is a matter of choice. We came into this world sustenance-guaranteed from our creator. However, it is our choice to be enslaved by money.

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                #8
                Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                Originally posted by Le Croyant View Post
                What a fool... spokeperson for the tawghoot regimes.
                Innit?


                This is a load of BS.

                Wa La Howla Wa La Quwataa Illah Billah!!!
                Allah the Almighty has laid down religious duties, so do not neglect them. He has set boundaries, so do not over step them. He has prohibited some things, so do not violate them; about some things He was silent-out of compassion for you, not forgetfulness, so seek not after them
                :love:

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                  #9
                  Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                  hahaha, glad im not the only one who feels this way, thanks people:up:

                  Originally posted by Umm Talhah View Post
                  Innit?


                  This is a load of BS.

                  Wa La Howla Wa La Quwataa Illah Billah!!!

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                    #10
                    Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                    You should read Thawaabit Ala Darb Al Jihad by Sheikh Uyayri or listen to Imam Anwar Al Awlaki's talks on it or both InshaALLAH.
                    "Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes"

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                      #11
                      Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                      Same people that follow Ibn Baz fatwah on leaving Filisteen to the jews

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                        #12
                        Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                        I'd simply like to point out that the OP has not brought any daleel. Not a single verse of Qurah nor any hadith.

                        :lailah:
                        Al-Hasan Al-Basree said: people are the same in health but when hardship befalls they show distinction. Ibn al Qayyim :love:

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                          #13
                          Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                          Originally posted by UPS View Post
                          Same people that follow Ibn Baz fatwah on leaving Filisteen to the jews
                          When did he say that?
                          "Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes"

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                            #14
                            Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                            Assalam Alicom

                            yes i was waiting for a foolish talafi response, you hear news from hear and there, bbc,cnn and you think you know everything happening on the ground there. people get killed in war, get that through your head
                            brother/sister.....

                            1- i never take from the channels you are takling about because english is not my mother tongue so i won't understand it all and i know that they tell lies.

                            2- i take from arabic and Islamic channels and websites.

                            3- i live in the middle east and i know what's happening around and i have relates who live in some of those areas.

                            4- the same arguement can be used against you by saying that, how do you know that we are not dying and that we are doing well, even though you live in the US or UK ?????

                            What a fool... spokeperson for the tawghoot regimes.
                            may Allah skip that for you Akhi/Ukhti and forgive you for the insult

                            as for the issue of rulers and goverments i have another thread which talks about it. and here is the link.
                            and i don't really know what's the link between Jihad and governers.

                            and here is a little gift for my brother/sister

                            the Prophet peace be upon Him
                            " whomever believes in the day of judgment, let Him say good or keep silent "

                            Innit?


                            This is a load of BS.
                            sister......
                            this is an Islamic forum and we all know what you meant by the two letters and i reported it to the mods and it's up to them to decide.

                            anyway......
                            if you really think so....
                            please qoute and response by evidence.

                            if not keep those words for yourself. i'm here to learn and teach if possible not to learn how to swear.

                            may Allah skip that for you and preserve your son Talha, if you have a one.

                            hahaha, glad im not the only one who feels this way, thanks people
                            Subhan Allah.....
                            so if the majority thinks something....
                            does that make it right ?????

                            Akhi here is a little gift for you.
                            didn't you read the Prophet peace be upon Him saying
                            " Islam started as a strange thing and will come back as a strange thing, so give glad tidings to the strangers "

                            Subhan Allah.....
                            today people take by majority and neglect the evidence

                            You should read Thawaabit Ala Darb Al Jihad by Sheikh Uyayri or listen to Imam Anwar Al Awlaki's talks on it or both InshaALLAH.
                            masha'Allah Akhi......
                            i really thank you for your politeness.
                            i wish the rest would learn from you Akhi.

                            i ask Allah to reward you for that.
                            as for the Shiekhs....
                            with all due respect
                            i only heard about Al Awlaki but never heard anything for him
                            because as i said earlier i prefer arabic over english because it's much easier
                            so if you have any arabic resources that would be great.

                            but anyway i'll try to listen to what you recommended.
                            may Allah cover my souls and yours with mercy.

                            Same people that follow Ibn Baz fatwah on leaving Filisteen to the jews
                            this is a lie which the Shia use against whom they call Wahhabi's

                            the Shiekh never issued such a Fatwa and i guess you know that there is a lot of lies going around.

                            but something similar was said by Him and Shiekh Al Albani....
                            and this is very well known in Islam which is.
                            if your enemy is occupying your land and prohibits you from performing your obligations like prayer and so......
                            then it becomes an obligation to migrate. and it's one of the greatest sins if you don't do so, and this is well proven in the Quran before Sunnah.

                            I'd simply like to point out that the OP has not brought any daleel. Not a single verse of Qurah nor any hadith.
                            first i don't know what you mean by OP and i hope it's a good thing
                            so can you please tell me or anyone else if possible

                            as for what you said about evidence. at the end you'll find a repeated post of the original with the evidence written in Red insha'Allah

                            When did he say that?
                            he never said that Akhi and i talked about it up there.

                            anyway......
                            Subhan Allah.
                            from all the response i didn't see a single academic response.
                            not even polite except for brother Rashid's may Allah reward Him

                            so please......
                            if you guys think that there is an error in the thread.
                            please qoute and response to it. if you keep going like that we'll keep going in circles and we'll learn nothing.

                            so i'll be waiting for your responses to the topic using the qoute function.

                            Assalam Alicom
                            MXXXXM

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                              #15
                              Re: Allahu Akbar.....The Response To Five Misconceptions About Jihad

                              Assalam Alicom

                              Misconception 1
                              They say
                              The Prophet peace be upon Him
                              "Jihad is going until the day of judgment"

                              And the response to that is.
                              Jihad is going as long as the conditions are met and we are able does it
                              Like praying, fasting and the rest of obligations
                              And we all know that we must do them
                              Until the Day of Judgment
                              As long as we are able to
                              And whenever we are not
                              They fall and we are not obligated to do them.
                              Example
                              You don't have to fast when you are traveling

                              So is it possible that all these obligations are restricted to the rule which says
                              Do it as long as you can

                              And some people come and say
                              Jihad is going and has no conditions and no restrictions
                              And going until the Day of Judgment whether we can do it or not????

                              And the evidence on all of that is

                              The Hadith which is mentioned in Sahih Muslim
                              Where the Prophet peace be upon Him tells us about 'Eisa
                              that He (Eisa) is about to fight some people
                              and Allah says to Him that He is unable to fight them
                              so take my slaves and don't fight.


                              Add to that evidence
                              One of the main evidences which is
                              We all know that the Prophet peace be upon Him
                              didn't fight the Mushrikeen in Mecca
                              and the first clash between Muslims and Mushrikeen
                              was more than 10 years after the beginning or Islam


                              and the list of evidences go on and on

                              so the question is
                              did the Prophets Muhammed and Eisa peace be upon both of them
                              leave Jihad when they were unable to do it
                              because they don't like it, believe in it or want to stop it????

                              We leave the reader to answer.

                              Misconception 2
                              They say that the Jihad which we are doing
                              Is defensive Jihad
                              (called in Shariah, Jihad Dafe' )
                              (refers to the Jihad when the enemy attacks the Muslims)
                              and this type of Jihad has no conditions whatsoever
                              and needs no ability

                              and the response to that is

                              this is just weak

                              we can just ask those people
                              is this Jihad recommended or obligatory ???

                              if the answer is recommended
                              we say you can't obligate people with what's recommended
                              and we all know that there is no sins or anything wrong
                              with leaving a recommended act whatsoever

                              if the answer is obligatory
                              we all know that all obligations in Islam
                              without any exception
                              fall and can be left and never done if we are unable to do them
                              and the biggest evidence on that is
                              the Hadith by the Prophet peace be upon Him which says
                              " whatever I command you to do, do what your able to do from it "

                              and also the verse
                              " fear Allah as much as you can "
                              and also

                              " On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear "


                              and again
                              the situation of Muslims in Mecca before migrating to Madenah

                              and the ability which we are talking about
                              is not the ability to carry a gun and stand in front of the enemy
                              nor the ability to use a gun and shoot few bullets on the enemy
                              nor the ability to hide in caves and between trees

                              the ability in defensive Jihad is
                              to be able to protect the Muslims
                              and stop the attack on the Muslims
                              and their lands
                              and more importantly
                              to be able to take the enemy out of the land of the Muslims

                              otherwise what's the point of hiding in caves and shooting at the enemy
                              if the enemy is killing our children in the cities
                              and shedding our blood and raping our women

                              and what kind of defense is that ?????

                              Misconception 3

                              they say that
                              we don't need a lot of ability to go for Jihad
                              and we don't need to have all the numbers and weapons
                              and the evidence on that is when the Prophet peace be upon Him
                              fought the Mushrikeen in many occasions
                              where the Muslims were much less in numbers than the non Muslims
                              and also the verse
                              " didn't you see how many times a small group won a big group "

                              and the response to that is

                              at those days
                              the wars were simple
                              and the weapons were simple

                              soldiers, swords, horse, camels, armors, arrows and so on
                              and all done by hand

                              and those weapons were in both sides
                              with the Muslims and the non Muslims
                              they both had the same type of weapons

                              while now

                              the weapons are much much advanced

                              where we have airplanes, rockets, machineguns
                              and weapons which we didn't even imagine that it's possible to manufacture

                              and not only that

                              those weapons are owned by the enemy and all that we have on us is
                              knives, hand guns, and small rockets
                              which don't even damage a small tank
                              which the enemy use as a toy

                              not only that
                              but also

                              the Muslims at that time even though they were less in numbers
                              their faith and religion
                              was correct and much higher than our situation today
                              where you see
                              the Sufi, the Shi'ee, the Khariji, the Ba'thi and much more.
                              And people even don't know how to pray properly
                              Nor how to fast

                              So how can you compare us today
                              With the companions at those times

                              And the biggest evidence on that is
                              In Uhud the Muslims lost the fight because few Sahabis
                              disobeyed the Prophet peace be upon Him
                              and went to get their share or money


                              and another example is
                              in Hunain
                              when the Muslims lost faith in Allah
                              because they thought their number will cause them to win the fight
                              and they almost lost the fight but Allah helped them


                              Misconception 4
                              they say
                              you guys have this big nightmare about non Muslims
                              and their ability
                              and the response to that is

                              in religion we have to separate our emotions
                              and look at the facts and the situation around us
                              and take logic and the circumstances around us into consideration


                              Misconception 5

                              they say
                              so what do you want us to do with the people of Palestine and Iraq and the rest
                              do we just sit down ????

                              and the response to that is

                              we have to go back to Quran and Sunnah and learn our religion
                              we have to forget about our emotions and focus on following the evidence
                              we have to increase our faith and go back to the path of Assalaf Assaleh

                              so what those people who claim to be on the path of Jihad nowadays
                              to stop the blood shed of Muslims
                              listen and obey to the rulers whom Allah chose for them
                              and stick to their Islamically lawful commands
                              follow what Olama' and scholars say and gather around them
                              stop spreading the Fitnah around the Muslims
                              And wake up from their dreams and illusions
                              And leave their emotions behind them
                              And more importantly to learn from the 50 years of bloodshed
                              In Palestine which brought nothing but destruction death to Muslims
                              And learn from what's happened in Lebanon few months ago
                              What happened and still happening in Iraq and Afghanistan

                              Do we need another 50 years in Iraq?
                              And another 50 in Afghanistan to wake up?????

                              May Allah preserve our blood and our lands?

                              Assalam Alicom
                              MXXXXM

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