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    #16
    Re: Importance of the Quraish

    Originally posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
    The issue here is that the Quraysh are not prone to being traitor, incompetent or competent just because they are Quraysh. The issue here is Quraysh are people, people just like you and me. There is nothing divine in them for one characteristic or the other. Therefore, I do not really see any reason why a Quraysh must be appointed or given preference for the Khilafah. As such I find it hard to believe the Prophet SAW would order something as illogical as this.
    I am NOT AT ALL suggesting they are prone to being traitors.

    What I said was that the West politicians will probably know about this "condition" of Quraysh having the only legitimate claim for caliphate. So if there's a new genuone islamic power, the west can make and support a puppet Quraysh caliphate which will then declare a Jihad on the new islamic power.

    And since that new power will mostly likely be sufi turks, the pro-western Quraysh caliphate will be very attractive to Arab salafis.

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      #17
      Re: Importance of the Quraish

      Were the Ottomans caliphs like the ‘Abbasids and Umayyads? Because some people say that they were not caliphs because they were not from Quraysh.

      Praise be to Allah
      Firstly:

      The majority of scholars are of the view – and it was narrated that there was consensus – that it is stipulated that the caliph of the Muslims should be a Qurashi (i.e., from Quraysh), because of the report narrated by Ahmad (12307) from Anas ibn Maalik, according to which the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The imams (rulers) are to be from Quraysh.”

      Conclusion:

      The Ottoman caliphate was a legitimate and valid caliphate, under whom the ummah was united.

      The Ottoman caliphate carried the banner of Islam and raised the flag of jihad for several centuries, and crusader Europe used to fear it and look for an opportunity to put an end to it, until they were able to achieve that at the beginning of the last century.

      The Ottoman sultans varied in terms of their adherence to the faith and the soundness of the ‘aqeedah (beliefs). But we do not cast aspersions upon the validity of their caliphate, especially during the times when they were strong and the Muslims were united behind them. Whatever happened of shortcomings or deviations among them in later eras, it is for Allah to judge.

      Please see also the answer to question no. 11747

      And Allah knows best.

      https://islamqa.info/en/227620
      Last edited by imran1976; 04-09-17, 05:33 AM.
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        #18
        Re: Importance of the Quraish

        Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
        Where is the Quraish tribe today? Is it even around?
        all the saudi's claim to be quraysh , khalifa cheezeburger claimed he was from the quraysh.

        what i've heard is , the quraysh of that time were the most educated and smart ones



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          #19
          Re: Importance of the Quraish

          Originally posted by imran1976 View Post
          Were the Ottomans caliphs like the ‘Abbasids and Umayyads? Because some people say that they were not caliphs because they were not from Quraysh.

          Praise be to Allah
          Firstly:

          The majority of scholars are of the view – and it was narrated that there was consensus – that it is stipulated that the caliph of the Muslims should be a Qurashi (i.e., from Quraysh), because of the report narrated by Ahmad (12307) from Anas ibn Maalik, according to which the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The imams (rulers) are to be from Quraysh.”

          Conclusion:

          The Ottoman caliphate was a legitimate and valid caliphate, under whom the ummah was united.

          The Ottoman caliphate carried the banner of Islam and raised the flag of jihad for several centuries, and crusader Europe used to fear it and look for an opportunity to put an end to it, until they were able to achieve that at the beginning of the last century.

          The Ottoman sultans varied in terms of their adherence to the faith and the soundness of the ‘aqeedah (beliefs). But we do not cast aspersions upon the validity of their caliphate, especially during the times when they were strong and the Muslims were united behind them. Whatever happened of shortcomings or deviations among them in later eras, it is for Allah to judge.

          Please see also the answer to question no. 11747

          And Allah knows best.

          https://islamqa.info/en/227620
          i heard the reason for that in that time was because the Quraysh were the people with influence , education and more advanced compared to the other tribes.

          secondly in todays time, finding leaders based on that they were quraysh is proly one of the reasons why the saud family still clings to power despite whatever haraam they do.

          there should be a more deep analysis into this looking at the context and time.



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            #20
            Re: Importance of the Quraish

            Originally posted by Spicen View Post
            I am NOT AT ALL suggesting they are prone to being traitors.

            What I said was that the West politicians will probably know about this "condition" of Quraysh having the only legitimate claim for caliphate. So if there's a new genuone islamic power, the west can make and support a puppet Quraysh caliphate which will then declare a Jihad on the new islamic power.

            And since that new power will mostly likely be sufi turks, the pro-western Quraysh caliphate will be very attractive to Arab salafis.
            one of the reasons propagated to fight the ottomons by the arabs was that they weren't quraysh if i remember correctly.

            Abu jarir even boasted how the arabs were in the right for the rebellion cause only they deserve to be leaders and all others deserved to be rebelled against even if it means allying with the british.



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              #21
              Re: Importance of the Quraish

              Originally posted by imran1976 View Post
              Were the Ottomans caliphs like the ‘Abbasids and Umayyads? Because some people say that they were not caliphs because they were not from Quraysh.

              Praise be to Allah
              Firstly:

              The majority of scholars are of the view – and it was narrated that there was consensus – that it is stipulated that the caliph of the Muslims should be a Qurashi (i.e., from Quraysh), because of the report narrated by Ahmad (12307) from Anas ibn Maalik, according to which the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The imams (rulers) are to be from Quraysh.”

              Conclusion:

              The Ottoman caliphate was a legitimate and valid caliphate, under whom the ummah was united.

              The Ottoman caliphate carried the banner of Islam and raised the flag of jihad for several centuries, and crusader Europe used to fear it and look for an opportunity to put an end to it, until they were able to achieve that at the beginning of the last century.

              The Ottoman sultans varied in terms of their adherence to the faith and the soundness of the ‘aqeedah (beliefs). But we do not cast aspersions upon the validity of their caliphate, especially during the times when they were strong and the Muslims were united behind them. Whatever happened of shortcomings or deviations among them in later eras, it is for Allah to judge.

              Please see also the answer to question no. 11747

              And Allah knows best.

              https://islamqa.info/en/227620
              This is a face-save fatwa. I'm 90% sure, the shaykh doesn't actually believe in his own fatwa.

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                #22
                Re: Importance of the Quraish

                Originally posted by noobz View Post
                one of the reasons propagated to fight the ottomons by the arabs was that they weren't quraysh if i remember correctly.

                Abu jarir even boasted how the arabs were in the right for the rebellion cause only they deserve to be leaders and all others deserved to be rebelled against even if it means allying with the british.
                Yes, as I mentioned Sharif Hussein believed Ottomans were an invalid caliphate because of this and other reasons.

                That's why he planned with British in 1915 to form what he called Arab Caliphate of Islam.

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                  #23
                  Re: Importance of the Quraish

                  Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                  This is a face-save fatwa. I'm 90% sure, the shaykh doesn't actually believe in his own fatwa.
                  I don't understand how the alim went from the first paragraph posting hadith about quraish and then went straight into the first three lines of the conclusion paragraph. Says it all.

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                    #24
                    Re: Importance of the Quraish

                    Because of their position as the leading Arab tribe, most classical scholars made it a condition that the Caliph be a member of the Quraish. However, some scholars did not require such a condition when the political context had changed.

                    Ibn Khaldun writes:

                    ومن القائلين بنفي اشتراط القرشية القاضي أبو بكر الباقلاني لما أدرك عليه عصبية قريش من التلاشي والاضمحلال واستبداد ملوك العجم من الخلفاء فأسقط شرط القرشية وإن كان موافقا لرأي الخوارج لما رأى عليه حال الخلفاء

                    Among those who did not require the condition of being from the Quraish tribe was the judge Abu Bakr Al-Baqillani when he realized that in his time the solidarity in favor of the Quraish had vanished and that foreign kings possessed power over the Caliphs, so he no longer saw a need for this condition, despite agreeing with the Khawarij on this matter, since he could observe the state of the Caliphs.

                    Source: Al-Muqaddimah 1/99

                    Abu Bakr Al-Baqillani (d. 402AH/1013CE) was a Maliki scholar who held the position of chief judge outside the capital city of Baghdad. He considered that the office of Caliph did not require the condition of descent from the Quraish tribe due to the fact that the Quraish had lost their reputation as the leading tribe in Arabia and the Muslim world.

                    Sheikh Walid ibn Ali Al-Husayyin, professor at Al-Qasim University, summarizes this view:

                    It would seem that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said that the leader should be from Quraish because a head of state needs to be able to command respect and have the power to mobilize people to action. He needs to possess this ability in order to work towards the welfare of the nation. This will not be possible for a leader regarded in his society as being a person of ignoble status. In Arabia at the Prophet’s time, only Quraish had the necessary political clout… This is the reason why a good number of Islamic scholars throughout the ages have ruled that the condition of being from Quraish does not apply except in the first era of Islam. In later times, there is no benefit to be had from upholding such a condition. The necessity of the leader being from Quraish was a political reality at the Prophet’s time, but it did not remain so.

                    Source: Islamtoday.net

                    We should not understand from the Prophet’s statement that there is an inherent virtue in the lineage of the Quraish apart from righteousness. The quality that makes someone virtuous is their righteousness and Godfearing piety (taqwa) and not their ethnicity or tribe.

                    Allah said:

                    إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ

                    Verily, the most noble of you to Allah are the most righteous.

                    Surat Al-Hujurat 49:13

                    Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

                    وَمَنْ بَطَّأَ بِهِ عَمَلُهُ لَمْ يُسْرِعْ بِهِ نَسَبُهُ

                    Whoever is slow to good deeds will not be hastened by his lineage.

                    Source: Sahih Muslim 2699, Grade: Sahih

                    Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

                    إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَذْهَبَ عَنْكُمْ عُبِّيَّةَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ وَفَخْرَهَا بِالْآبَاءِ إِنَّمَا هُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ تَقِيٌّ وَفَاجِرٌ شَقِيٌّ النَّاسُ كُلُّهُمْ بَنُو آدَمَ وَآدَمُ خُلِقَ مِنْ تُرَابٍ

                    Verily, Allah has removed from you the pride of the time of ignorance with its boasting about ancestors. Verily, either one is a believer who fears Allah or a miserable sinner. The people are all the children of Adam, and Adam was created from dust.

                    Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi 3955, Grade: Hasan

                    Despite contextual preference given to the Quraish, this does not exclude other righteous Muslims from taking positions of leadership in Islam.

                    Anas bin Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

                    اسْمَعُوا وَأَطِيعُوا وَإِنْ اسْتُعْمِلَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَبْدٌ حَبَشِيٌّ كَأَنَّ رَأْسَهُ زَبِيبَةٌ

                    Listen and obey your ruler even if he were an Abyssinian slave whose head looks like a raisin.

                    Source: Sahih Bukhari 6723, Grade: Sahih
                    it was actually a political thing taking in view the situation in that time , quraysh have literally no hold of respect or favour from others in todays time , infact people don't even know who quraysh are nowadays and not to mention there are no tribes anymore.



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                      #25
                      Re: Importance of the Quraish

                      Originally posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
                      I don't understand how the alim went from the first paragraph posting hadith about quraish and then went straight into the first three lines of the conclusion paragraph. Says it all.
                      There's a link provided, click that link and read the whole fatwa ---- instead of copy/pasting whole fatwa, I just posted first paragraph and the conclusion.
                      "Europe died in Bosnia and was buried in Syria. Bodies of innocent children washing ashore are the
                      western civilization's tombstones"


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                        #26
                        Re: Importance of the Quraish

                        Shah Waliullah says in his work 'izalat al khafa'

                        "Khilafah is the leadership of people united in a commonwealth which comes into existence for the establishment of the Deen including revival of religious branches of learning, institution of Islamic ritual observances, organization of jihad… marshalling an army, remunerating the combatants, creating a judicial system and enforcing the laws, curbing of crimes… All these functions have to be performed by it as if it were deputising and representing the Prophet Muhammad :saw:.”
                        "Europe died in Bosnia and was buried in Syria. Bodies of innocent children washing ashore are the
                        western civilization's tombstones"


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                          #27
                          Re: Importance of the Quraish

                          Originally posted by noobz View Post
                          it was actually a political thing taking in view the situation in that time , quraysh have literally no hold of respect or favour from others in todays time , infact people don't even know who quraysh are nowadays and not to mention there are no tribes anymore.
                          Allah said:

                          إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ

                          Verily, the most noble of you to Allah are the most righteous.

                          Surat Al-Hujurat 49:13

                          Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

                          وَمَنْ بَطَّأَ بِهِ عَمَلُهُ لَمْ يُسْرِعْ بِهِ نَسَبُهُ

                          Whoever is slow to good deeds will not be hastened by his lineage.

                          Source: Sahih Muslim 2699, Grade: Sahih

                          Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

                          إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَذْهَبَ عَنْكُمْ عُبِّيَّةَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ وَفَخْرَهَا بِالْآبَاءِ إِنَّمَا هُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ تَقِيٌّ وَفَاجِرٌ شَقِيٌّ النَّاسُ كُلُّهُمْ بَنُو آدَمَ وَآدَمُ خُلِقَ مِنْ تُرَابٍ

                          Verily, Allah has removed from you the pride of the time of ignorance with its boasting about ancestors. Verily, either one is a believer who fears Allah or a miserable sinner. The people are all the children of Adam, and Adam was created from dust.

                          Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi 3955, Grade: Hasan

                          Despite contextual preference given to the Quraish, this does not exclude other righteous Muslims from taking positions of leadership in Islam.

                          Anas bin Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

                          اسْمَعُوا وَأَطِيعُوا وَإِنْ اسْتُعْمِلَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَبْدٌ حَبَشِيٌّ كَأَنَّ رَأْسَهُ زَبِيبَةٌ

                          Listen and obey your ruler even if he were an Abyssinian slave whose head looks like a raisin.

                          Source: Sahih Bukhari 6723, Grade: Sahih
                          Ofcourse these ayat and hadith that agree with the Quran and the general doctrine of equality in Islam does not apply. What applies? All the hadith that are in contradiction with the Quran. If it's too far fetched or too difficult to reconcile the conflicting hadith, we must all go on a verbal gymnastic to make Quran agree with those. So quraishi khalifa it is. Obey you slave!
                          Last edited by Bidrohi Ronoklanto; 04-09-17, 08:55 AM.

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                            #28
                            Re: Importance of the Quraish

                            Originally posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
                            When are you getting a quraish to untie your arab lands a establish a khilafah? Posting hadith and ruling is the last to do to bring about a khilafah.
                            Knew Bidrohi would be here sprouting his filth, hate against the Quraysh,

                            Mods should just ban this Dirty individual outright permanently

                            Bidrohi and the Dirty Nationalists worst nightmare is this Mutawattir hadith which says Khalifa should be from the Quraysh...

                            narrated by Ahmad (12307) from Anas ibn Maalik, according to which the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The imams (rulers) are to be from Quraysh.”

                            This is a mutwaatir, saheeh hadith, as al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said, as is stated in Sharh Nakhbat al-Fikr by al-Qaari (p. 190)

                            https://islamqa.info/en/227620
                            Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 04-09-17, 12:29 PM.
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                              #29
                              Re: Importance of the Quraish

                              Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
                              If the hadith is sahih khalaas

                              Those rejecting hadith due to nationalistic arrogance should remember who exactly it is whose words they are rejecting (sallaho alayhi wa sallam)

                              Sometimes a person's tounge give you a taste of what's in their heart
                              Akhi the Hadith is not only Sahih, it's Mutawattir,

                              And the likes of Bidrohi and co don't accept it, if I recall correctly Bidrohi claimed he'll never accept an Arab khalifa,

                              True they are displaying the disease in their hearts,

                              Nauzibillah
                              Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 04-09-17, 03:29 PM.
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                                #30
                                Re: Importance of the Quraish

                                Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                                This is a face-save fatwa. I'm 90% sure, the shaykh doesn't actually believe in his own fatwa.
                                You can't argue against Mutawattir Sahih hadith based on your assumptions,
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