The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than ISIS

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I honestly don't understand what your problem with the Hadith of Najd is. If you people stopped trying to distort Hadith and laughably claim Najd for the Prophet Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam is Iraq, you might actually have made stronger arguments against the Hadith like, "The Hadith is referring to Musaylimah al-Kadhdhab and the early Fitan". But no, you were so terrified of the Hadith identifying your scholars that you bogged yourself down into an argument that you can't win. All it takes is to quote a few Hadith and this issue is finished.

If you had actually admitted the location of Najd (known historically), you could have flipped the argument, but now if you attempt to go down this line of reasoning it is clear to outsiders that your firqah is not objective nor tries to be, you just want to save your own hide.

The pseudo-Salafis are victims of their own incompetance as a sect.

Salam alaykum,

They cannot flip the argument. I have had everything chucked at me here:

https://www.islamimehfil.com/forum/9...les-and-books/

One Salafi even said, OK, Najd is in central Arabia and Qarn ash-Shaytaan mentioned in Hadith, referrs to Najd, but not to MIAW but to first Khawarij, to Dhil Khawaisirah at-Tamimi and his companions which existed during the life time of Prophet.

I quoted the Ahadith, there are two [main] Qarn ash-Shaytan branches according to Hadith:

“And harshness and callousness of the hearts is found amongst the rude owners of the camels, who drive them behind their tails (to the direction), where emerge the two groups of Satan, they are [from] the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar.” [Ref: Muslim, B1, H83]

One is to appear from Iraq and it happened but its man power was from Banu Tamim which was in Najd. Second one was to appear from Najd. Its man power was from Najd and it appeared in Najd. In conclusion two groups of qarn ash-shaytan man power of both from Najd. One appears in Iraq and other appears in Najd. You can read the following articles on the subject:

https://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/2...comment-108204

https://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/2...comment-111499

I have responded to all known Salafi arguments on subject of Najd. Their excuses, Iraq is Najd because East is Iraq, linguistically it is Najd is applied to Iraq, ... list goes on. There are roughly 25 articles on this on following, some very very long, I am actively looking for content to refute. so please share a argument presented in defence of Salafi position which you think is novel ... I just might not have addressed it:

https://www.islamimehfil.com/forum/9...les-and-books/

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Stop bumping this thread already.

[TheHaqq]

Wahabis do takfir of mushriqeen. Whats wrong with that?

Read the thread

[Mohammad Ali]

Wahabis do takfir of mushriqeen. Whats wrong with that?

[salaam_7cgen]

Sheikh albani on sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul wahab الألباني: محمد بن عبدالوهاب فيه غلو وشده Albani considered Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab a reformer and praised his Da’wah, but he also criticized him for their excessive Takfir. Albani says about Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab: – He had exaggeration and harshness – His followers inherited that from his teachings – He could not differentiate between authentic [صحيح] and weak [ضعيف] Ahadith – He had no high level of care in following Salafi Fiqh – I am one of the harshest critics of the Wahabiyah 1- Albani said (“Silsilah huda wa Noor”, 297): الحقيقة محمد بن عبدالوهاب فضله كبير على الأمة الإسلامية ؛ لكن فيه شيء من الغلو والشدة الجماعة كان عندهم شيء من الشدة؛ أخذوها طبعاً من بعض نصوص محمد بن عبدالوهاب رحمه الله، واستمر الأتباع إلى هذا العهد موصومون بهذه الشدة، وكنا نسمع نحن قديماً أن هؤلاء النجديين يكفرون عامة المسلمين، أو يقولون عنهم خوارج “The truth regarding Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab is that he has done a great favour upon the Islamic nation, but he had some level of exaggeration and harshness. … This group has inherited some of this harshness, which they of course took from the writings of Mohammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab, may God be merciful to him. They are stigmatised with this harshness. And we used to hear from long time ago that these Najdis make Takfir on the general masses of the Muslims, and they used to be accused of being Khawarij.” 2- Albani said after he mentioned some good qualities of Ibn Taymiyah: , بخلاف الشيخ محمد بن عبد الوهاب, فلم تكن له هذه العناية, لا في الحديث ولا في الفقه السلفي, فهو من الناحية المذهبية حنبلي, ومن الناحية الحديثية كغيره, فليس له آثار في الفقه تدلنا على أنه كابن تيمية سلفي المنهج في التفقه في الدين, لعل له في ذلك عذرا كما ألمحنا إليه آنفا.وكذلك في الأحاديث فهو كغيره مع الأسف الشديد, لا معرفة عنده بالحديث الصحيح والضعيف “Contrary to Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab – who did not have this level of care in hadith nor in Salafi fiqh. He is a Hanbali from the side of the madhhab and in Hadith, he is like others. He has left no traces in Fiqh which would indicate to us that he was like Ibn Taymiyah a Salafi in manhaj in terms of his understanding of religion. Perhaps he has an excuse in this which we have already hinted at. And also in the hadith, he, like the others, unfortunately, has no knowledge of authentic or weak hadiths.” 3- Albani also said (“Silsilah huda wa Noor”, 713): أما الوهابية: فما لي ولها ؛ فأنا أنقضها ؛ ربما أشد من غيري ، وربما الحاضرون يعلمون ذلك “As for al-Wahabiyah – what have I got to do with it?! I criticise it – sometimes even more than others! Those who are present know this.”

[AbuMubarak]

Let's add to that

I have a thread here...Dont harass the sisters

BROTHERS whined about...What if the sisters harass us?

We whine about Islamophobia as ifvwe expect the kuffar to love Islam & Muslims

We break our necks trying to be accepted by the kuffar... We are just like you

Our brothers and sisters all over the world are being persecuted... Our response? Nothing or wevturn to the UN

Sorry sister, but whining about cyberbullying is a manifestation of men being weak

[AbuMubarak]

Point being..words have consequences in the virtual world as well.

There's a reason, or two, why cyberbullying is illegal and/or a crime in some parts of the world. Not everyone can shrug it off like you can, not everybody feels the same.

Cyberbullying is a thing because men have become soft and their boys are even softer

Next generation will be metrosexuals, then transexuals

[.Hajar.]

As mods, we have a duty to keep the peace

If someone says something rude, offensive, threatening, we have to take action

That's much different than me grabbing pearls because so & so hurt my feelings

This is not that difficult

Point being..words have consequences in the virtual world as well.

There's a reason, or two, why cyberbullying is illegal and/or a crime in some parts of the world. Not everyone can shrug it off like you can, not everybody feels the same.

[Fais]

So if you said something rude but you didn't think it was rude....


Read that over and over until that light bulb goes on

Huh? I don't understand what that has to do with the post quoted.

[AbuMubarak]

Funny you should say that..I banned a poster yesterday because he used inflammatory langauge, threatened to inflict violence on someone he did not agree with. So words, whether uttered in the real world or online, have power and words also have consequences.

Am kinda surprised to know of your thoughts on cyberbullying though, it's worse than face to face bullying in some cases because people think since they are 'anonymous' on the internet, they have complete freedom to say/ do as they please which we know is neither true nor does it make it right.

I'd like to discuss this with you further, akh, if you're interested that is but in a new thread..I don't wish to derail this thread any further.

As mods, we have a duty to keep the peace

If someone says something rude, offensive, threatening, we have to take action

That's much different than me grabbing pearls because so & so hurt my feelings

This is not that difficult

[AbuMubarak]

Salafis having many decent and admirable traits as a group. Just like any other group. But I don't think you'll find "truth" (whatever that means) with any particular group ...

So if you said something rude but you didn't think it was rude....


Read that over and over until that light bulb goes on

[Simply_Logical]

being rude, the sin is on the person

getting offended or whining about being bullied is on the receiver

so if i said something rude to someone for example and i didnt think it was rude but the person i said it to took it as me saying something rude whether that be my words or the way/manner/tone etc, is the fault really on that third party? you being serious?

[.Hajar.]

here we go again
bullying.....being taunted or threatened by someone of superior size or strength

i cannot punch or even intimidate anyone online unless I know where you live, and have the ability to see you

online is nothing more than words on a screen

our ancestors faced the Romans & Persian empires

today, we cry about being bullied online

Funny you should say that..I banned a poster yesterday because he used inflammatory langauge, threatened to inflict violence on someone he did not agree with. So words, whether uttered in the real world or online, have power and words also have consequences.

Am kinda surprised to know of your thoughts on cyberbullying though, it's worse than face to face bullying in some cases because people think since they are 'anonymous' on the internet, they have complete freedom to say/ do as they please which we know is neither true nor does it make it right.

I'd like to discuss this with you further, akh, if you're interested that is but in a new thread..I don't wish to derail this thread any further.

[Fais]

This conversation will never get anywhere. AM views the world from a different perspective.

[AbuMubarak]

yea i agree that people who get offended over some stuff should grow thicker skins but you obviously have to be careful not to hurt someone in islam too,
i mean i could post something which i think is harmless but i wouldnt know how many people ive offended or hurt only Allah swt knows and thats my point...

p.s im not just on about men im on about women too

being rude, the sin is on the person

getting offended or whining about being bullied is on the receiver