The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than ISIS

[Abu Sulayman]

I don't think that anyone had exposed or refuted the original post yet, rather it seems that every wahhabi in this thread seek to not answer in behalf of his Imam rather talk about other issues like the divine attributes and intercession, in which the op still in solid ground.

This thread here is quite old and it's a good example how these people have literally no proofs whatsoever and are simply blind followers of a criminal man, who was literally condemned by every major scholar of his region and the regions around it.

From the beginning of this thread the fans of this man started with personal attacks, lies and making completely off-topic posts to the degree that the original issue was lost.



But I opened a newer thread regarding this Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) and his early followers - may Allah ta'ala give them what they deserve! - and the newer thread is much more systematic and is filled with clear cut proofs from their own accursed works:


Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab's lack of qualifications and the disasters that resulted from it!

Table of contents (25-2-2021):

- OP (includes examples of IAW's shocking level of ignorance): Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab's (d.1206 AH) lack of qualifications and the disasters that resulted from it!
- The results of Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab's ignorance and extreme ideas on a theoretical level (includes Takfir against scholars, cities, whole regions and basically the whole Umma!):
Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
- The results of Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab's ignorance and extreme ideas on a practical level (includes terrorizing, robbing, burning down fields, cutting trees and mass-killing the Muslims of the Arabian peninsula and surrounding regions; Part 12 is specifically regarding what they did to the people of the Haramayn al-Sharifayn and their stopping of the Hajj!):
Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part 13
- Different examples of stealing, killing and destruction caused by Wahhabis according to 'Unwan al-Majd
- Translations of some of the examples given on the theoretical and practical results of MIAW's extremism and ignorance


- Proving that the scholars were truthful regarding Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) and that IAW himself was the liar!
- Proving that "islamqa(.)info" are liars like their leader MIAW!
- Proving that the "Salafi" Mashayikh are liars just like their leader MIAW!


- The knowledge of the people of Washm regarding their Creator and the ignorance of IAW's followers regarding Him!
- MIAW usage of fabricated narrations in his so called Kitab al-Tawhid
- MIAW's ignorance regarding al-Iqna' (one of the most widespread Fiqh books in Najd!)

- 'Allama Ibn Suhaym al-Hanbali (d. 1181 AH) regarding the extremism of IAW
- 'Allama al-Saffarini al-Hanbali (d. 1188 AH) regarding IAW being a Mujtahid in destroying the divine law!
- 'Allama Muhammad bin Sulayman al-Kurdi al-Shafi'i (d. 1194 AH) advising his student IAW to stop his Takfir against the Umma of Islam
- 'Allama Sulayman bin 'Abd al-Wahhab al-Hanbali (d. 1208 AH): Some of his statements in response to the ignorance of his brother IAW
- 'Allama 'Abdullah bin Dawud al-Hanbali (d. 1225 AH) regarded IAW a FALSE PROPHET in his "Lightnings and Thunders in Response to the Wretched Ibn Sa'ud"
- 'Allama Ibn Humayd al-Hanbali (d. 1295 AH): Praising the father and brother of IAW and criticizing IAW as "the founder of the mission whose evil had spread across the horizon" and mentioning his attempt to assassinate his brother
- Shaykh Mustafa bin Ahmad al-Shatti al-Hanbali (d. 1348 AH): Idolatry and its forms (contains criticism of MIAW by the 'Allama Hassan al-Shatti (d. 1274 AH))


- Regarding the Hadith of Najd and the tribulations that will appear from the East and its connection to MIAW's "Najdi call":
Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4
- Al-Lajna al-Da`ima admitting that Najd is included in the narrations regarding the tribulations and the horn of satan that would appear and emerge from the east!!!
- Ibn Bishr (d. 1288 AH) - the Najdi Khariji! - AFFIRMS that Najd has always been a place for tribulations!


- The Prophet ﷺ was not afraid that his nation will fall into [greater] polytheism and swore by Allah regarding this!
- The only polytheism that can be found in his nation is the lesser one!
- The Prophet ﷺ informed his nation that satan has despaired to be EVER worshiped on the Arabian peninsula again!
- When will idols be worshiped again in the lands of the Arabs?: When ALL believers die (just before the end of times)!

[Zouhair al-'arabi]

But I opened a newer thread regarding this Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) and his early followers - may Allah ta'ala give them what they deserve! - and the newer thread is much more systematic and is filled with clear cut proofs from their own accursed works:
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Very beneficial threads of yours, may Allāh سبحانه وتعالى reward you abundantly for your good efforts.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Is calling me a nationalist the best you can do?

Is the question about divine attributes too difficult for you?

[Zouhair al-'arabi]

Is the question about divine attributes too difficult for you?

Can I ask you something?
are you interested in genuine discussion and seeking of knowledge? If the answer was yes, why are you asking me this question (whather I believe if Allah gets angry...blah blah blah) knowing that abu Sulayman had already answered this question of yours more than one time.
I assume, you're asking me this question because you seek not knowledge, but to confuse the laypeople and ignorant brothers and sisters, am I right? You're acting as if "gotcha!" When asking that question.
To answer you:
I believe that Allāh have the attribute of mercy and anger, which are meanings subsisting in the divine essence, which realities cannot be comprehended, they can also be actions.
Imam nawawi commentary on the narration of [my mercy override my anger]:
"What is meant by anger is what is necessary from it, and it is the desire to deliver the punishment to the one upon whom the anger falls, because the precedence and dominance in consideration of attachment, i.e. attachment of mercy is predominant prior to attachment of anger, because mercy requires its sacred essence. He mentioned the occurrence of torment before mercy in some places, and all of this is based on the fact that mercy and anger are among the attributes of the Self. Some scholars said that mercy and anger are from the attributes of actions, not from the attributes of the Essence, and there is no objection to some actions taking precedence over others."

I do not believe that Allah is described with emotions, or that he get angry like Zeus or Odin having emotional tentrum, or that he's subject to changes which what your question is also implying, if you will continue being deceptive and dishonest I will not reply to you.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Can I ask you something?
are you interested in genuine discussion and seeking of knowledge? If the answer was yes, why are you asking me this question (whather I believe if Allah gets angry...blah blah blah) knowing that abu Sulayman had already answered this question of yours more than one time...

He has attempted to answer but, like you, he gets flustered and and angry when he gets challenged.

...I assume, you're asking me this question because you seek not knowledge...

Right, I am not seeking knowledge from you.

...Imam nawawi commentary on the narration of [my mercy override my anger]:
"What is meant by anger is what is necessary from it, and it is the desire to deliver the punishment to the one upon whom the anger falls, because the precedence and dominance in consideration of attachment, i.e. attachment of mercy is predominant prior to attachment of anger, because mercy requires its sacred essence. He mentioned the occurrence of torment before mercy in some places, and all of this is based on the fact that mercy and anger are among the attributes of the Self. Some scholars said that mercy and anger are from the attributes of actions, not from the attributes of the Essence, and there is no objection to some actions taking precedence over others."...

Source for the quote?

...I believe that Allāh have the attribute of mercy and anger, which are meanings subsisting in the divine essence, which realities cannot be comprehended...

So you believe Allah is pleased and angry but not in the same way you (i.e. creation) get pleased and angry?

[Zouhair al-'arabi]

He has attempted to answer but, like you, he gets flustered and and angry when he gets challenged.

If pointing to an obvious dishonesty is getting frustrated and angry, then yes I'm "frustrated" and "angry", just going with your expressions.
however, if you want to act like Shi'ite and live within muslims for the only sake of confusing them with such (shameless) tactics, then please let me be as frustrated and angry as I want to be at pointing this obvious dishonesty and hypocrisy from your side.
as for getting challenged, how are you "challenging" me? By asking a question that you already know the answer and when getting answered and pointed to your very taqiya-like attitude, you act strong and say words like: "He has attempted to answer but, like you, he gets flustered and and angry when he gets challenged."?

Very challenging indeed.

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No, I've already explained, if my explanation was too complicated for your mental capacity then this is a problem you need to solve, it's non of my business.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

If pointing to an obvious dishonesty is getting frustrated and angry, then yes I'm "frustrated" and "angry", just going with your expressions.
however, if you want to act like Shi'ite and live within muslims for the only sake of confusing them with such (shameless) tactics, then please let me be as frustrated and angry as I want to be at pointing this obvious dishonesty and hypocrisy from your side.
as for getting challenged, how are you "challenging" me? By asking a question that you already know the answer and when getting answered and pointed to your very taqiya-like attitude, you act strong and say words like: "He has attempted to answer but, like you, he gets flustered and and angry when he gets challenged."?
Very challenging indeed.
No, I've already explained, if my explanation was too complicated for your mental capacity then this is a problem you need to solve, it's non of my business.

My guess is you have more in common with raafidah than me.
Your answer to the question about Allah being pleased and angry is summarised by my answer.

You can ask anyone if they understand it differently. Morose your expertise is needed here.