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The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than ISIS

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  • Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post

    As mods, we have a duty to keep the peace

    If someone says something rude, offensive, threatening, we have to take action

    That's much different than me grabbing pearls because so & so hurt my feelings

    This is not that difficult
    Point being..words have consequences in the virtual world as well.

    There's a reason, or two, why cyberbullying is illegal and/or a crime in some parts of the world. Not everyone can shrug it off like you can, not everybody feels the same.

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    • Originally posted by .Hajar. View Post

      Point being..words have consequences in the virtual world as well.

      There's a reason, or two, why cyberbullying is illegal and/or a crime in some parts of the world. Not everyone can shrug it off like you can, not everybody feels the same.
      Cyberbullying is a thing because men have become soft and their boys are even softer

      Next generation will be metrosexuals, then transexuals
      .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
      نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
      دولة الإسلامية باقية





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      • Let's add to that

        I have a thread here...Dont harass the sisters

        BROTHERS whined about...What if the sisters harass us?

        We whine about Islamophobia as ifvwe expect the kuffar to love Islam & Muslims

        We break our necks trying to be accepted by the kuffar... We are just like you

        Our brothers and sisters all over the world are being persecuted... Our response? Nothing or wevturn to the UN

        Sorry sister, but whining about cyberbullying is a manifestation of men being weak
        .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
        نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
        دولة الإسلامية باقية





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        • Sheikh albani on sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul wahab الألباني: محمد بن عبدالوهاب فيه غلو وشده Albani considered Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab a reformer and praised his Da’wah, but he also criticized him for their excessive Takfir. Albani says about Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab: – He had exaggeration and harshness – His followers inherited that from his teachings – He could not differentiate between authentic [صحيح] and weak [ضعيف] Ahadith – He had no high level of care in following Salafi Fiqh – I am one of the harshest critics of the Wahabiyah 1- Albani said (“Silsilah huda wa Noor”, 297): الحقيقة محمد بن عبدالوهاب فضله كبير على الأمة الإسلامية ؛ لكن فيه شيء من الغلو والشدة الجماعة كان عندهم شيء من الشدة؛ أخذوها طبعاً من بعض نصوص محمد بن عبدالوهاب رحمه الله، واستمر الأتباع إلى هذا العهد موصومون بهذه الشدة، وكنا نسمع نحن قديماً أن هؤلاء النجديين يكفرون عامة المسلمين، أو يقولون عنهم خوارج “The truth regarding Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab is that he has done a great favour upon the Islamic nation, but he had some level of exaggeration and harshness. … This group has inherited some of this harshness, which they of course took from the writings of Mohammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab, may God be merciful to him. They are stigmatised with this harshness. And we used to hear from long time ago that these Najdis make Takfir on the general masses of the Muslims, and they used to be accused of being Khawarij.” 2- Albani said after he mentioned some good qualities of Ibn Taymiyah: , بخلاف الشيخ محمد بن عبد الوهاب, فلم تكن له هذه العناية, لا في الحديث ولا في الفقه السلفي, فهو من الناحية المذهبية حنبلي, ومن الناحية الحديثية كغيره, فليس له آثار في الفقه تدلنا على أنه كابن تيمية سلفي المنهج في التفقه في الدين, لعل له في ذلك عذرا كما ألمحنا إليه آنفا.وكذلك في الأحاديث فهو كغيره مع الأسف الشديد, لا معرفة عنده بالحديث الصحيح والضعيف “Contrary to Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab – who did not have this level of care in hadith nor in Salafi fiqh. He is a Hanbali from the side of the madhhab and in Hadith, he is like others. He has left no traces in Fiqh which would indicate to us that he was like Ibn Taymiyah a Salafi in manhaj in terms of his understanding of religion. Perhaps he has an excuse in this which we have already hinted at. And also in the hadith, he, like the others, unfortunately, has no knowledge of authentic or weak hadiths.” 3- Albani also said (“Silsilah huda wa Noor”, 713): أما الوهابية: فما لي ولها ؛ فأنا أنقضها ؛ ربما أشد من غيري ، وربما الحاضرون يعلمون ذلك “As for al-Wahabiyah – what have I got to do with it?! I criticise it – sometimes even more than others! Those who are present know this.”

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          • Wahabis do takfir of mushriqeen. Whats wrong with that?

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            • Originally posted by Mohammad Ali View Post
              Wahabis do takfir of mushriqeen. Whats wrong with that?

              Read the thread

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              • Stop bumping this thread already.
                You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                • Originally posted by Muhammad Hasan View Post

                  I honestly don't understand what your problem with the Hadith of Najd is. If you people stopped trying to distort Hadith and laughably claim Najd for the Prophet Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam is Iraq, you might actually have made stronger arguments against the Hadith like, "The Hadith is referring to Musaylimah al-Kadhdhab and the early Fitan". But no, you were so terrified of the Hadith identifying your scholars that you bogged yourself down into an argument that you can't win. All it takes is to quote a few Hadith and this issue is finished.

                  If you had actually admitted the location of Najd (known historically), you could have flipped the argument, but now if you attempt to go down this line of reasoning it is clear to outsiders that your firqah is not objective nor tries to be, you just want to save your own hide.

                  The pseudo-Salafis are victims of their own incompetance as a sect.
                  Salam alaykum,

                  They cannot flip the argument. I have had everything chucked at me here:

                  https://www.islamimehfil.com/forum/9...les-and-books/

                  One Salafi even said, OK, Najd is in central Arabia and Qarn ash-Shaytaan mentioned in Hadith, referrs to Najd, but not to MIAW but to first Khawarij, to Dhil Khawaisirah at-Tamimi and his companions which existed during the life time of Prophet.

                  I quoted the Ahadith, there are two [main] Qarn ash-Shaytan branches according to Hadith:

                  “And harshness and callousness of the hearts is found amongst the rude owners of the camels, who drive them behind their tails (to the direction), where emerge the two groups of Satan, they are [from] the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar.” [Ref: Muslim, B1, H83]

                  One is to appear from Iraq and it happened but its man power was from Banu Tamim which was in Najd. Second one was to appear from Najd. Its man power was from Najd and it appeared in Najd. In conclusion two groups of qarn ash-shaytan man power of both from Najd. One appears in Iraq and other appears in Najd. You can read the following articles on the subject:

                  https://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/2...comment-108204

                  https://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/2...comment-111499

                  I have responded to all known Salafi arguments on subject of Najd. Their excuses, Iraq is Najd because East is Iraq, linguistically it is Najd is applied to Iraq, ... list goes on. There are roughly 25 articles on this on following, some very very long, I am actively looking for content to refute. so please share a argument presented in defence of Salafi position which you think is novel ... I just might not have addressed it:

                  https://www.islamimehfil.com/forum/9...les-and-books/

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                  • Originally posted by aMuslimForLife View Post
                    Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than



                    You argue with the tongue of the Salafis, you are automatically a salafi.
                    The shadili tariqa is honorable Sufi tariqa, if you were a member of it then I don't see any reason to disassociate from it because some najdis might/will prejudice because of it.

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                    • Originally posted by Zouhair al-'arabi View Post

                      The shadili tariqa is honorable Sufi tariqa, if you were a member of it then I don't see any reason to disassociate from it because some najdis might/will prejudice because of it.
                      What's their signature dance move?

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                      • Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

                        What's their signature dance move?
                        Very mature, just continue your dance jokes and your ranting, I don't cure ignorance.

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                        • Originally posted by Zouhair al-'arabi View Post

                          Very mature, just continue your dance jokes and your ranting, I don't cure ignorance.
                          What's wrong?

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                          • Originally posted by Zouhair al-'arabi View Post

                            The shadili tariqa is honorable Sufi tariqa, if you were a member of it then I don't see any reason to disassociate from it because some najdis might/will prejudice because of it.
                            I follow the way of al Imam al Shaykh Abu Hasan Shadhili.

                            Below is a post I made earlier this year.

                            Originally posted by aMuslimForLife View Post

                            I don't know your definition of modern Sufism. But tasawwuf is a religious science, like fiqh, Aqida, Hadith, Quran, tafsir... I follow the way of Abu Hasan al Shadhili, many of the great Imams of the religion followed his path (tariqa), such as Imam Ibn Hajar al Asqalani, Imam al Suyuti, Sultan al Ulama al Izz Ibn Abdus Salam, Imam al Subki, and so many others.

                            Sufism, the Tasawwuf, is one of the most important sciences of the religion. Sufism has been taught by the scholars of Islam since the beginning of Islam. The Imam of Sufism is Imam al Junayd, just as the Imams of Fiqh are Imam Ahmad, Imam Shafi, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Malik, and the Imams of Aqida are, Imam Ahmad, Imam Ashari, Imam Maturidi, and others.

                            Imam Ahmad Ibn Ajiba said, “The science of Sufism is the foremost of the religious sciences and both the goal and heart of the revealed law. And how could it be otherwise when it is the exposition (tafsir) of the station of spiritual excellence (maqam al Ihsan), the station of direct perception and vision, in the same way that theology (the science of Aqida) is the exposition of the station of faith (iman) and jurisprudence (fiqh) is the exposition of the station of surrender (islam), all of which are contained in the hadith of Gabriel.” (Miraj al Tashawwuf ila Haqaiq al Tasawwuf)

                            Imam al Suyuti said, “Sufism is itself a noble science; its foundation lies in adherence to the Sunna and abstaining from innovation, as well as declaring one’s disavowal from the lower ego and its customary habits, ends, motives, wants, and choices and submitting to Allah, being pleased with Him and His Divine decree, seeking His love, and detesting other than Him… You are also aware that there are many fraudulent miscreants who entered into their ranks attempting to resemble them although they are not from them. They added things to it (Sufism) that are not from it, which in turned led to all of them (both the true and the false Sufis) having bad thoughts entertained about them. The people of knowledge took efforts in distinguishing between the two groups, that the people of truth could be distinct from the people of falsehood. I have contemplated deeply over the matters for which the Imams of Sacred Law censured the Sufis, and I did not find a single realized Sufi holding fast to any of that. On the contrary, such things were only espoused by the people of innovation and extremists who claimed that they were Sufis, although they were not.” (Ta’yid al Haqiqa al Aliyya)

                            Ibn Taymiyyah said, “The Salaf used to call the men of religion Qurra (sing.. Qari), which besides scholars (Ulama) included also devotees (nussak). Then the word Sufiyyah (Singular: Sufi) and fuqara (sing Faqir) came to be used. The Sufi was the one who wore wool (suf); this is the correct derivation of the term. The word fuqara later come to mean the people of suluk, who followed a particular tariqa. (Ibn Taymiyyah Majmo al fatawa 10:194-9)

                            Ibn Qayyim wrote, "The Sufis are three categories: the Sufis of physical nourishment (food), the Sufis of outward formalities (rusum), and the Sufis of spiritual realities. The innovation of the first two groups is known by anyone who is well acquainted with the Sunnah and jurisprudence. The Real Sufis are only the Sufis of spiritual realities to whom the jurist and theologians humbly submit themselves. In reality, they are the scholars and wise sages."(Madarij al Salikin)

                            And Allah knows best.
                            My Blog ---> Reflections of the Traveler http://baraka.wordpress.com

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                            • Originally posted by aMuslimForLife View Post

                              I follow the way of al Imam al Shaykh Abu Hasan Shadhili.

                              Below is a post I made earlier this year.
                              Masha'Allah brother, Imam Abu Hasan Al-Shadhili (591–656 H) is of the Idrisid dynasty, descendants of Prophet Muhammad. Ash-Shadhili was a disciple of Abdul Salam Ibn Mashish, a famous Sufi wali and author of many religious and political writings, Imam Abu Hasan saved the science of the tasawwuf in the region through his reformation after noticed that the Sufis of his time started to turn away from the true meaning of Sufism, the vast majority of them used to sit unemployed, poor, and sick, claiming to be ascetic.

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                              • Originally posted by Zouhair al-'arabi View Post

                                Masha'Allah brother, Imam Abu Hasan Al-Shadhili (591–656 H) is of the Idrisid dynasty, descendants of Prophet Muhammad. Ash-Shadhili was a disciple of Abdul Salam Ibn Mashish, a famous Sufi wali and author of many religious and political writings, Imam Abu Hasan saved the science of the tasawwuf in the region through his reformation after noticed that the Sufis of his time started to turn away from the true meaning of Sufism, the vast majority of them used to sit unemployed, poor, and sick, claiming to be ascetic.
                                Is that a French flag in your profile picture?

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