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    #31
    Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    You mean Ibn Abdul Wahhab right? His name was Muhammad.
    Yes Muhammad bin Abdul wahhab
    Tbh I don't really care, I just wanted to see if anyone had even read his history
    Those who don't agree with him say he was fighting Muslims, those who do say he was fighting apostates and mushrikeen
    Last edited by abufulaans; 03-05-15, 08:31 PM.
    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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      #32
      Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

      Originally posted by abdullahore View Post
      The horn of shaytan truly rises for Najd.
      Najd is Iraq.

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        #33
        Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

        this is subcontinent brailvi inspired propaganda.

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          #34
          Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

          Keyword "was"

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            #35
            Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

            I always wondered why a great scholar of his time like ibn Aabideen al-Hanafi from Shaam would call his movement the khawarij of his era.

            Theres no smoke without fire as they say.
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              #36
              Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

              Originally posted by Uthman Ibn Afan View Post
              I always wondered why a great scholar of his time like ibn Aabideen al-Hanafi from Shaam would call his movement the khawarij of his era.

              Theres no smoke without fire as they say.
              the khawarij made takfeer on ali, muawiyah and amr ibn al A'as. Trying calling those three kaffirs in saudi and you will book yourself one way ticket to an execution

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                #37
                Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                The description of the khawarij described in hadith are the timeless characterisitics. The exact beliefs of various khariji groups differed from time to time but their actions and enmity to the main body of Muslims is something that remained.

                So in the same way we can say ISIS are the khawarij of our era even though they acknowledge the khulafa ar-rashideen, the same way ibn Aabideen said about the original Wahabis.

                I'm not saying they were or were not khawarij, just acknowledging that Sunni scholars of their era did call them that.
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                  #38
                  Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                  Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab(rahimahullah ta'ala) was an extinguisher of kufr and shirk. He hated bid'ah and kufr and he fought against those practices in the 18th century Arabian peninsula

                  Because he hated kufr, shirk and bid'ah, 99.99% of his enemies are
                  1. Deviant sufis
                  2. Rafidah
                  3. Qadianis
                  4. Modernist munafiqun
                  5. Kuffar who don't even know who he is
                  6. Barelvis who believe the Nabi(saw) is everywhere
                  Last edited by Abd al-Rahman; 04-05-15, 12:32 AM.
                  وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
                  They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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                    #39
                    Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                    Originally posted by UmarHadeed View Post
                    this is subcontinent brailvi inspired propaganda.
                    I bet the writer of this believes in haazir naazir, I bet the writer belives Rassullulah(saw) has knowledge of the unseen and that he is in Bristol and Mogadishu and Johannesberg and Lahore and in my house all at the same time. Audhubillahi minash shaytan ir rajeem
                    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
                    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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                      #40
                      Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                      Originally posted by Al Riyadh View Post
                      I don't know who you follow but you should stop . These are all lies about shaykh ul Islam . He came from a place were the Ottoman Empire had not reached there yet and in najd there was many many innovations going on , and he came and tried to purify them and did . For example he with the help of the Saudi state banned grave worshipping and brought back the shariah . And yes he did team with the house of saud , but this was for pure jihad in the path of Allah , and him and them the first Saudis brought back the proper Islam to Najd . I know king abdullah was not on Islam properly , but Islam is coming back in king salman .
                      True a huge bulk of Najd was not ruled directly by the Ottomans. But Makkah and Medinah were Ottoman territories. And Ibn Abdul Wahhab's rebellion did reach the two holy cities. Plus they attacked Ottoman trade routes.

                      That rebellion was efficiently crushed in a punitive war. Diriyah was completely destroyed. Abdullah ibn Saud was executed.

                      Later on in World War I, the same Saudis sided with the British against the Ottomans.

                      Or were you guys happy when the Ottomans lost control of everything and the Europeans got to carve out the entire region for themselves?

                      Wahhabis of those times also did not view Turks worthy enough to rule the Islamic world. They upheld a false belief that only Arabs could rule.

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                        #41
                        Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                        Originally posted by PiriReis View Post
                        True a huge bulk of Najd was not ruled directly by the Ottomans. But Makkah and Medinah were Ottoman territories. And Ibn Abdul Wahhab's rebellion did reach the two holy cities. Plus they attacked Ottoman trade routes.

                        That rebellion was efficiently crushed in a punitive war. Diriyah was completely destroyed. Abdullah ibn Saud was executed.

                        Later on in World War I, the same Saudis sided with the British against the Ottomans.

                        Or were you guys happy when the Ottomans lost control of everything and the Europeans got to carve out the entire region for themselves?

                        Wahhabis of those times also did not view Turks worthy enough to rule the Islamic world. They upheld a false belief that only Arabs could rule.
                        Im not going to wade into this ethnic mess, all I know is that OP is slandering a magnificent sheikh of islam and he needs to stop
                        وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
                        They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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                          #42
                          Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                          Originally posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
                          Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab(rahimahullah ta'ala) was an extinguisher of kufr and shirk. He hated bid'ah and kufr and he fought against those practices in the 18th century Arabian peninsula

                          Because he hated kufr, shirk and bid'ah, 99.99% of his enemies are
                          1. Deviant sufis
                          2. Rafidah
                          3. Qadianis
                          4. Modernist munafiqun
                          5. Kuffar who don't even know who he is
                          6. Barelvis who believe the Nabi(saw) is everywhere
                          According to you. According to Ottoman records, he lead a violent rebellion against Amir ul-Mu'minin, Sultan Mahmud II.

                          Now tell me, is it permissible to rebel against a Muslim ruler?

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                            #43
                            Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                            Originally posted by PiriReis View Post
                            According to you. According to Ottoman records, he lead a violent rebellion against Amir ul-Mu'minin, Sultan Mahmud II.

                            Now tell me, is it permissible to rebel against a Muslim ruler?
                            Ikhtilaf between the scholars
                            وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
                            They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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                              #44
                              Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                              Originally posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
                              Ikhtilaf between the scholars
                              That's strange because it would seem like most Saudi scholars nowadays are against rebellion against any ruler (especially Al-Saud) under most circumstances.

                              The ikhtilaf is very convenient here.
                              The Messenger (SAW) said, "There will come a time when the nations gather against you, just as people gather around a feast” Someone asked, “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?”He (SAW) replied, “No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be froth and scum like that carried down by a torrent (of water), and Allah will take the fear of you from the breasts (hearts) of your enemy and cast al-wahn into your hearts.”

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                                #45
                                Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                                Originally posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
                                Ikhtilaf between the scholars
                                Originally posted by abdullahore View Post
                                That's strange because it would seem like most Saudi scholars nowadays are against rebellion against any ruler (especially Al-Saud) under most circumstances.

                                The ikhtilaf is very convenient here.
                                Not all ikhtilaf has basis

                                THIS is the problem today. Just because someone some of us may recognise as a scholar or authority doesn't make it correct. Even the great scholars had ikhtilaf but then reconciled when presented with evidence. Today we seem unable to accept this

                                Basically not all ikhtilaf is legit

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